3rd generation Scientology clone?

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
Lifespring is dead, but there have been a number of off-shoots.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Large_group_awareness_training

I recall in the 90s that the Scientology PR flacks had a cow after they learned that Virginia Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, contacted Cynthia Kisser of the National Cult Awareness Network.

Virginia had been a member of Lifespring & was being harassed by Lifespring members after she quit.
 

Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
Lifespring pales in comparison to the cult of Scientology. I had friends that did it and LOVED IT. They left when they had enough but said it changed their lives for the better.

Imagine if Slappy did not have the billion dollars to sue and harass critics. Gawd - if Lifespring was shut down due to deaths and mental breakdown lawsuits - imagine how many suits Scientology would have had in 64 years of fleecing and bamboozling for their imagined Bridge.

The people harmed by Scientology? If they were able to sue, the lawsuits would be staggering.
 

Gib

Crusader
Lifespring pales in comparison to the cult of Scientology. I had friends that did it and LOVED IT. They left when they had enough but said it changed their lives for the better.

Imagine if Slappy did not have the billion dollars to sue and harass critics. Gawd - if Lifespring was shut down due to deaths and mental breakdown lawsuits - imagine how many suits Scientology would have had in 64 years of fleecing and bamboozling for their imagined Bridge.

The people harmed by Scientology? If they were able to sue, the lawsuits would be staggering.

were the friends who did it not "hard Sold" to continue?
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
Lifespring pales in comparison to the cult of Scientology. I had friends that did it and LOVED IT. They left when they had enough but said it changed their lives for the better.

Imagine if Slappy did not have the billion dollars to sue and harass critics. Gawd - if Lifespring was shut down due to deaths and mental breakdown lawsuits - imagine how many suits Scientology would have had in 64 years of fleecing and bamboozling for their imagined Bridge.

Lifespring had it's share of people who felt their experiences were worthwhile & some whom were bitterly opposed to it. Lifespring, like other cults, was all about money & coercing people out of it.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kalmin-534139-worldworks-lifespring.html (read the comments)

http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news/5773/models’-suicides-blamed-return-1970s-us-cult

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=987&Itemid=12
 

Mookster

Patron
Outraged, I was good friends with Werners son and I went through some Lifespring courses back in the mid 90's before I made the John Hanley/Werner Erhard EST connection. My sister worked for Lifespring and was super gung ho. That's how I got roped into going. I wasn't sold on it to begin with but as soon as I heard Werners name I knew I hated it. That bastard (Werner) treated his family so horribly there are no words... I rarely run into people that know anything about Lifespring so I always get a little bit excited. lol
Going to read your thread now!
 

outraged

Patron
Mookster;963480. said:
That bastard (Werner) treated his family so horribly there are no words... I rarely run into people that know anything about Lifespring so I always get a little bit excited. lol
Going to read your thread now!

Wow. I did not know Wener Erhard, except for his teachings. He was an asshole?
I do however know John Hanley, and met his son when he was a kid.
I rarely run into anyone either and am desperate to connect.

I want to tell my WHOLE story.

There are still so many idiots joining cults today.

The biggest problem with Lifespring, is one of the biggest problems with ScientoLIEogy.
The ethics or the training or whatever you call it may be all well and good, but it is controlled by a human being.
DM is a psychotic. But Power can fill any idiots' head so much the person loses all sense of right and wrong and becomes in love with their own power.
This is why THREE people died while I worked for Lifespring.

After caught by the cult I accepted a job and moved across the country. I totally bombed my life like a volcano, causing one college professor to say: you will never be able to put the pieces back together.

Now it is years and years and years later. My husband and I were set up on a blind date 22 years ago by my friend who I met at Lifespring 35 years ago. So there you go.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Jack, er, Warner says that is not true:

http://www.wernererhard.com/urbanmyths1.html

EST, which Erhard founded, has been on the Suppressive Groups list for a long, long time.

The wiki entry has

Over the following years, Erhard continued to investigate a wide range of movements, including Encounter, Transactional Analysis, Enlightenment Intensive, Subud and Scientology.[21]:383 Erhard read some works by L. Ron Hubbard, and some Scientology terms overlap with terms from est.[24] Erhard later said, "I have a lot of respect for L. Ron Hubbard and I consider him to be a genius and perhaps less acknowledged than he ought to be."[21]:383

I'm guessing that EST has some bits of Scientology, and that both EST and Scientology use a bunch of prior writings by a number of people.
 
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