A Conversation with an OT

[Churchill]

The list of TECHNOLOGIES that Hubbard has deemed psychotic, suppressive and harmful to your eternity and case is ever expanding!

In 1950 it was engrams and abortion. Later Scientology became world leaders in advocating engramic (to mother and unborn) abortions.

Then psychiatrists became the devil. They were despised because they sometimes saved people's lives by practicing medicine rather than locking them in a room in the Fort Harrison where they would soon die because Hubbard said "we'd rather have you dead than incapable."

Then reporters and journalists and their respective newspapers/magazines were the source of evil to be avoided at all costs. While Scientologists spouted platitudes about "communication is the universal solvent" they solved their own communication problems by trying to frame authors like Paulette Cooper and send her to prison or drive her insane.

Oh yes, the list of forbidden evil things and devices goes on. Hubbard then pronounced in scripture that phones were psychotic. He convinced Scientologists of this while he was screaming bloody murder at them to telephone parishioners around the clock, 7 days a week to get money. Hubbard apparently had a lot of BPC on phones because "they have no memory". In that way phones are very similar to Hubbard's Clears.

Other evil things? Smells. Yes, scents are evil and dreamed up by psychiatrists in a billion year old plot to enslave the universe. Sci Fi? Nope. He actually had Scientologists clay demoing it. LOL. It's pretty cool when you are a guru because you can get your fanatic disciples to believe your paranoid rants about odors instead of them asking you why you have sensitivities or allergies.

Of course the Internet is evil too. Scientologists are not allowed to look at it unless it is related with their money-making activities. I spoke to a dear old friend a couple years ago who signed such an agreement in the ethics office at Flag.

There are an infinity of other evils that Scientologists fear and the list is much too long to condense in one post. Maybe this is a good time for me to do my annual reminder of the time I was sent on a routing form to a Sea Org MAA because I had purchased an expensive sports car. Ain't kiddin'.

Not only smells, but metal, too. Did you forget that metal can interfere with the body's electro-magnetic polarization? I'll bet that when you bought that sports car, that big hunk of metal, you forgot to buy The Metalosis Rundown, didn't you?

And now ​look how critical you've become.

'Nuff said. It's time to mail all my coins to the Sea Org MAA.

 

[aegerprimo]

I wonder how many OTs will be at the reunion? Will the ones who reached the OT levels but now have to do the Bridge over again be allowed to the party?

This image is from Tony Ortega's Underground Bunker, Sunday Funnies of Feb 16, 2014 -
http://tonyortega.org/2014/02/16/su...a-grand-re-opening-at-big-blue-this-saturday/

 

[lotus]

That is the 'attitude' toward BTs that will cause them to respond with hostility, or outright maliciousness.
The way for a short, satisfying conclusion with "disembodied entities" is to have ARC for them, grant them beingness ( the only beingness they have. IMAO), and treat them as you would a good friend. Then that is the way they respond . Treat them as Demons or enemies, and that is what you will be confronted with.
This is just my opinion. You can call it " Janaology". The "Hubbard think" is that they are DBs and bad and need to be gotten rid of. My attitude of high ARC with them works for me, just so as the same attitude works for ppl with bodies that I have in my life.
YMMV

You are free to believe in what you choose to believe
I feel free to find laughable the 'whole BT's stuff coming for LRH mentally ill mind'' (he was terrfied about his own demons)

When I help a being to leave this world, gently with confidence, I feel proud that am not a scientologist anymore as I can HELP to respond to this person's need instead of pushing stuff unreal or not true for this person (my own beliefs).

When I did encounter lord of the death, there was no bt's there, nor within me, nor attached to me, nor waiting for me not expecing I save them with my Oatee powrtz. Honnestly, as most of human beings, I don't feel I have entities stuck to me and I believe they have better place to live than in my head or my cancer. However, each time I enter an old forest, I canfeel many entities living there. They live within their own dimensional realm and who I am to assume they need me to help them! I love it, but it's nothting close to the scamologY Bt's

I don't respect the BT'S, (IT's a construcion of he late LRH enturbulatd mind)
What I respect is human beings, living HERE and NOW ,whom, each day, are having mental mental breakdown or come close to it, struggling with pseudo-entities or paying hundred of thousands dollars to spiritual peddlars to get rid of these. This is someing that exist. It's either sad either laughable.

I myself, had been taken care by entities while I was dying (I made it through to say alive), it's nothing similar to $scamology BT'S . It's anything but $camology mentall ilness of LRH (bt's bulshit) It's what people call ANGELS!

Thus, no, I dont respect a scam , If my behavior becomes so much harmfull to BT's - I'll see psychiatrst.

Praise it if you want - love them - to me, Scientology BT's don't exist out of LRH mentally ill mind and in other minds it had been implted for a certain amount of ''donations''


FUCK...the bt's! Welcome angels!
Fuc.. the pseudo Oatess cleaning areas of BT's - Laughable!

(I don't want to offend you -I speak against the $camology BT's ideas and mindfuck - not the fact that you tell you see entities)

This was only my opinion!

 

[Dulloldfart]

The most usefull is one who has done some OT levels.

Tautological as it may be, I remember two main definitions of "OT" from being in the cult. The more usual one, as in "Oh, he's OT isn't he?" normally said by someone who hadn't done any yet was just that, someone who had done some OT Levels. The other meaning of the mythical being who did impossible acts as promised in the promo but suspected by many who were OT by the first definition to not exist, was used far less.

I think you guys just like picking on Terril.

Paul

 

[Terril park]

Terril, what's your understanding of what an OT is and why someone should want to be one?

Someone who's next step on the bridge is a redo of objectives

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Tautological as it may be, I remember two main definitions of "OT" from being in the cult. The more usual one, as in "Oh, he's OT isn't he?" normally said by someone who hadn't done any yet was just that, someone who had done some OT Levels. The other meaning of the mythical being who did impossible acts as promised in the promo but suspected by many who were OT by the first definition to not exist, was used far less.

I think you guys just like picking on Terril.

Paul

Nope Paul, not guilty. I just want to pin him down and get him to say something in answer to my question - "what is an OT and why should anyone want to be one?" - that actually means something. All I and the others who ask similar questions seem to get are evasions (and jokes in the case of CB).

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

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[Cat's Squirrel]

Terril, if you want to make jokes, fine - maybe this board could do with it. All I can say is you're not making your subject look very good IMO. Or is the message that you don't believe in the state of OT either?

 

[kate8024]

Someone who's next step on the bridge is a redo of objectives

Now known as the "Survival Rundown" as part of GATII

 

[lotus]

Now known as the "Survival Rundown" as part of GATII

Isn't it the perfect name ????
:wink2:

 

[Auditor's Toad]

So I asked a long time friend who is still on - dear Gawd - OT 7 what she thought about the church's ad on the Super Bowl.

Her reply. " I didn't see it. I don't watch sports. If there was an ad - which I seriously doubt there was - it would be a waste of money on a wrong target. We don't watch sports".

So, as usual, I found out I didn't really see what I saw and what I said happened didn't really happen, I made up that story from my own imagination, and I was just wrong, period.

Doesn't that certify me as one of them-there OT's we hear about so dog-goned much but never really see ?

I can do finger tricks, too : Look ! Here is my middle finger. now it's gone! Wanta see that again ?

 

[Terril park]

Terril, what's your understanding of what an OT is and why someone should want to be one?

First the tech dict def 1 " a thetan exterior who can have but dosn't have to have
a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space and time."

Now maybe thats a correct def and maybe its not. However such people have not been
produced by Scn,certainly not in great number, and I've never met anyone that I've
observed meet that definition.

I have as I've mentioned surveyed those high up the bridge on both sides who have
sporadically produced such results.

I've read other people's comments, non scientologists,
who have they say got certain abilities that would fall under "OT". Telepathy,
empathy, [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empath_(disambiguation) ], precognition etc.

Then those who practice Magick and allied fields may also have manifested some abilities.

Why should someone want to be one? Such abilities are obviously desirable. One that
may be quite widespread is having things in your life go right.

Personal charisma may be an "OT" trait.

Scn has the goal of increasing ability. Doing more of it has the potential of
increasing ability. If you've found Scn has indeed done that for oneself,that could be reason to do more.

 

[Terril park]

Thus far it seems quite evident from Terril's non-answers that an OT is: An individual who, having attained the state of OT, has the OT power to promote OT abilities without the reactive compulsion to know what OT means.

Exactly. "Not Know" is at tone 30. Much higher than "know about" at 22.

Thus non-answers are at tone 30.

 

[lotus]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh !

So why would one spend so much time and money to get the knowingness of the knowing how to know if the not-knowing if a higher tone ?????

I don't get it :confused2:

We dont know, then we spent life to buy knowlegde to get powerfull till we expand to not know ?????

 

[Knows]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh !

So why would one spend so much time and money to get the knowingness of the knowing how to know if the not-knowing if a higher tone ?????

I don't get it :confused2:

We dont know, then we spent life to buy knowlegde to get powerfull till we expand to not know ?????

Scientology ~ The Science of Knowing to Not Knowing through the Mystery Scale! LOL

Excellent point. According to L Ron Hubbard - we are a thetan with no body and we "know".

Then we "Pick Up" a body so we "don't know".

Then we live life and get in the soup because we "didn't know" and hopefully find Scientology so we can "know".

After spending $$$,$$$,$$$ in Scientology - we make it up the Bridge to "not know".

Then we "drop our body" so we can "know" again and start the process over again.

Thankfully, COB has put Ideal Orgs all over this planet so we can come back after "knowing" to pick up a body and "not know" and then find an Ideal Org so we can spend $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ to "know" and make it up to OT umpteen to "not know".

We fight for the Organization throughout our lifetimes - so they can call themselves a "religion" and a Church to obtain tax-exempt status and receive the right to not have to abide by the laws of the land. We fight so the Organization can have slave labor camps and everyone works for free while the Organization charges HUGE fees for the volunteers to provide services so the public can "not know" and that is good?

Oye Vey!

The business has a leader who gets to live a lavish lifestyle and beat his staff. He gets to hob-nob with the Celebrities and spend the hard earned money on the best lawyers to shut the ones who KNOW up so the ones who "DON'T KNOW" won't "KNOW".

An SP is someone who "KNOWS" and an OT is someone who "DOES NOT KNOW"! Total Spiritual Freedom = Not Knowing!! Awesome!

Does this sound like a business making a ton of money selling snake oil, or what?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Not only smells, but metal, too. Did you forget that metal can interfere with the body's electro-magnetic polarization? I'll bet that when you bought that sports car, that big hunk of metal, you forgot to buy The Metalosis Rundown, didn't you?

And now ​look how critical you've become.

'Nuff said. It's time to mail all my coins to the Sea Org MAA.

I just remembered that they wanted to sell me setups for the sports car--and the set-up was the Metalosis Rundown, so that I did not suffer a devastating electro-magnetic meltdown when I was driving.

Apparently they were really concerned about my welfare or they wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of camping out at my front door for several days until I gave them a check. They really, really care about the being! LOL.

Wait! Another cog! Trying to avoid "The Being's" bad reaction to metal explains why Scientology ended being totally plastic.

 

[lotus]

An SP is someone who "KNOWS" and an OT is someone who "DOES NOT KNOW"! Total Spiritual Freedom = Not Knowing!! Awesome!

Does this sound like a business making a ton of money selling snake oil, or what?

Hey

My friend just told me that this morning!

Acccording to her - Sp"s are the one who now knows to knowing of what to know
The Oatee is the one who doesn't know anymore the knowing of what to know

I guess she is pretty much right!:wink2:

to Oatess true believer : Please don't be worry - it's so easy to graduate from Oatee to Sp! It only takes to give up! :wink2:
It's only hurting few days (how it takes to accept the time , friends, family and money waisted and move on)

 

[freethinker]

There is nothing worse than a Scientologist who has fully accepted the doctrine of "If it isn't true for you then it isn't true."

If they don't like what you are saying or don't want to believe something is true, then they just invoke the doctrine and Voila!, everything is right as rain because what you say just doesn't work for them so it's wrong.

One can go crazy talking to a Scientologist who lives by this doctrine because there is no reality but their reality as far as they are concerned.

I call it the crazy EP.

So I asked a long time friend who is still on - dear Gawd - OT 7 what she thought about the church's ad on the Super Bowl.

Her reply. " I didn't see it. I don't watch sports. If there was an ad - which I seriously doubt there was - it would be a waste of money on a wrong target. We don't watch sports".

So, as usual, I found out I didn't really see what I saw and what I said happened didn't really happen, I made up that story from my own imagination, and I was just wrong, period.

Doesn't that certify me as one of them-there OT's we hear about so dog-goned much but never really see ?

I can do finger tricks, too : Look ! Here is my middle finger. now it's gone! Wanta see that again ?

 

[lotus]

There is nothing worse than a Scientologist who has fully accepted the doctrine of "If it isn't true for you then it isn't true."

If they don't like what you are saying or don't want to believe something is true, then they just invoke the doctrine and Voila!, everything is right as rain because what you say just doesn't work for them so it's wrong.

One can go crazy talking to a Scientologist who lives by this doctrine because there is no reality but their reality as far as they are concerned.

I call it the crazy EP.

:wink2:

I guess we could at least grant the fact that at least
we get one thing for themoney and time we spent

No No No it's not integrity
No no no it's not code of honnor
No no no it's not ethics

It's the




Magical thinking


It works

Try​

 

[Auditor's Toad]

There is nothing worse than a Scientologist who has fully accepted the doctrine of "If it isn't true for you then it isn't true."

If they don't like what you are saying or don't want to believe something is true, then they just invoke the doctrine and Voila!, everything is right as rain because what you say just doesn't work for them so it's wrong.

One can go crazy talking to a Scientologist who lives by this doctrine because there is no reality but their reality as far as they are concerned.

I call it the crazy EP.

Yeah.........but............I done been where they are now....................just I was there years and go..................and I've moved on................so.........................I pretty much see where they are going long before I asked 'em a question..............sort of my way of having fum with 'em............I know they are going to give me some completely insane response.....................and I'll also know that one day it'll dawn on 'em just how fucking insane they used to be.....................I know that....why?........................................I used to stand in their shoes where they now stand........................................one day they being posting here...............they just don't know it yet...............................

They have no idea how deeply on how many levels they have been betrayed...................................
and betrayed themself.

The hurt is yet to come for them.