A Conversation with an OT

[phenomanon]

You are free to believe in what you choose to believe
I feel free to find laughable the 'whole BT's stuff coming for LRH mentally ill mind'' (he was terrfied about his own demons)

When I help a being to leave this world, gently with confidence, I feel proud that am not a scientologist anymore as I can HELP to respond to this person's need instead of pushing stuff unreal or not true for this person (my own beliefs).

When I did encounter lord of the death, there was no bt's there, nor within me, nor attached to me, nor waiting for me not expecing I save them with my Oatee powrtz. Honnestly, as most of human beings, I don't feel I have entities stuck to me and I believe they have better place to live than in my head or my cancer. However, each time I enter an old forest, I canfeel many entities living there. They live within their own dimensional realm and who I am to assume they need me to help them! I love it, but it's nothting close to the scamologY Bt's

I don't respect the BT'S, (IT's a construcion of he late LRH enturbulatd mind)
What I respect is human beings, living HERE and NOW ,whom, each day, are having mental mental breakdown or come close to it, struggling with pseudo-entities or paying hundred of thousands dollars to spiritual peddlars to get rid of these. This is someing that exist. It's either sad either laughable.

I myself, had been taken care by entities while I was dying (I made it through to say alive), it's nothing similar to $scamology BT'S . It's anything but $camology mentall ilness of LRH (bt's bulshit) It's what people call ANGELS!

Thus, no, I dont respect a scam , If my behavior becomes so much harmfull to BT's - I'll see psychiatrst.

Praise it if you want - love them - to me, Scientology BT's don't exist out of LRH mentally ill mind and in other minds it had been implted for a certain amount of ''donations''


FUCK...the bt's! Welcome angels!
Fuc.. the pseudo Oatess cleaning areas of BT's - Laughable!

(I don't want to offend you -I speak against the $camology BT's ideas and mindfuck - not the fact that you tell you see entities)

This was only my opinion!

Lotus, it's just a fooking LABEL.

My idea of BTs is "disembodied beings". They can be Angels, Devils, Michael Jackson, or any other Being without a "meat" body.
Getting wound up in the fooking significance of the LABEL "BTs" is a sure way to stay on the 3 or NOTs lavels for the rest of your life.
Cellular memories count a little bit, but the vast majority of these Spiritual Beings are not stuck on human bodies. I see them in Trees, in Birds, Animals,
Most all 'things' can be hosts for these various other forms of "life".

Janaology has that owning ideas that do not belong to you is not necessarily helpful. However, there many ideas that Are very helpful, and contribute to our being able to survive well). There are these Beings around.

You have your "Labels". LRH had his.
Churchies get caught up in his greed, wherein he sees what a lot of money can be made from this phenomenon ( see, I can spell it...lol), and they buy his NOTs case. Well, what does he see? Enemies. Devils. Demons. DBs, Slackers, David Miscavige. lol.

this is just me.

there appeared to me these threads on ESMB where the 'critics' are more fanatical than the Churchies in the FZ.
Fanaticism is just not fun for me.
I don't doubt that there are a significant number of posters on this Board that feel the same way.

I do not include you in the "fanatics" labelling. The fanatics know who they are.

 

[lotus]

Lotus, it's just a fooking LABEL.

-snip-

there appeared to me these threads on ESMB where the 'critics' are more fanatical than the Churchies in the FZ.
Fanaticism is just not fun for me.
I don't doubt that there are a significant number of posters on this Board that feel the same way.

I do not include you in the "fanatics" labelling. The fanatics know who they are.

Thank you!

I better understand!

There will always be a few fanatics on one side or the other. Life is like that.
They are more concerned with hurting people that to debate.
But I rarely saw that here though a few times.
But really, who care about a fanatic mindset ????

There is also people that may appear fanatics - as they are fanatics about that his coult wont entrap more people.

This is why I posted this

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34905-Do-cientologists-still-think-there-are-millions-of-them&p=904554&viewfull=1#post904554

Thank you for your reply!

 

[phenomanon]

Now known as the "Survival Rundown" as part of GATII

The Survival Rundown was new when I got out, so I only delivered a few of them, but I liked the Rundown.
I only delivered it near the bottom of the Bridge, so I dunno how OTs run it.

I'd be interested the COS's issue of their Objectives Program, if anyone here has it.
If it has "Creation of Human Abilities" ( COHA) processes in it, it should be a winner.
Most of those were dropped off the Grade chart early on, but they will facilitate "exteriorization".
If all OTs are being C/S'd for it, it is because the OT levels are not making OTs, The p-OTs are not completing the OT levels. or
The pre-ot's are not Thetan Exterior, and therefore cannot locate BTs.

The Survival Rundown could be seen as a repair program for the above.

and.....more money more money ...keep em all onlines and donating... money money money

 

[kate8024]

The Survival Rundown was new when I got out, so I only delivered a few of them, but I liked the Rundown.
I only delivered it near the bottom of the Bridge, so I dunno how OTs run it.

Do you know what changed from Objectives?

 

[phenomanon]

Thank you!

I better understand!

There will always be a few fanatics on one side or the other. Life is like that.
They are more concerned with hurting people that to debate.
But I rarely saw that here though a few times.
But really, who care about a fanatic mindset ????

There is also people that may appear fanatics - as they are fanatics about that his coult wont entrap more people.

This is why I posted this

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...llions-of-them&p=904554&viewfull=1#post904554

Thank you for your reply!

We're cool, baby.
I've been out for 30 years. I've sued. I've been to the Press. I've made Police Reports. I've picketed. I've posted on these Boards since ARS appeared. I've fought COS and agitated every chance I've gotten. Some of my black ops will go unmentioned, as there are others involved.

I haven't seen my Daughter in 30 years.
Thank you, Ron.

If it looks like I am somehow promoting Scn's upper levels, here's my take on it. I didn't spend much money at all. Over a 33 year period, I spent maybe ! $10,000. Most of my SCN was awarded to me. I never joined Staff, altho' I volunteered for Staff for years. Only as an addition to my 'real' life. LOL. And I did work for Alan Walter in the Mission network for some time. Alan awarded me stuff. ASHO-F awarded me stuff. AOLA awarded me stuff.
Whatever. I paid $689.00 for the entire Briefing Course, including all the Courses that go along with that. Such as Minister's course. I paid a Freeloader debt of some $7000. for OEC/FEBC.

So, I think my view of Dn/Scn is a bit milder that those who have gone bankrupt, or devoted their lives to a "Truman Show".

I know that there have been beaucoup guests visiting ESMB lately. Things are rolling fast on the Legal scene. ( Yay!) We might tone down our criticisms of the Belief System of the OT levels, and speak civilly about the upper level tech ...just until the traffic dies down here, at least ?

Believe me, I don't take anything on this Board personally. The years here and on ARS have hardened me.

So, yeah, we're good. Actually, Lotus, I don't disagree with any thing that you have said.

 

[lotus]

Got it
Thanks

I believe iI misinterpret, somewhere your sense of humour and took it for serious!

Thank you for your background - never wrote that about you Phenomenon.

Okay then - you are a phenomenon!


Can I ask you, what in $cientology tech, after 3 decades, you still believe and what you threw away ????
Or are you practicing a modified version of $cientology????

Thanks for reply!

 

[Terril park]

Do you know what changed from Objectives?

Best I recall having been C/Sed for it after twice over ojectives is that it
included admin TRs. I felt doing objectives yet again would be an overun.

Did admin TRs on OPEC/FEBC.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..

Originally Posted by HelluvaHoax!
Thus far it seems quite evident from Terril's non-answers that an OT is: An individual who, having attained the state of OT, has the OT power to promote OT abilities without the reactive compulsion to know what OT means.

Exactly. "Not Know" is at tone 30. Much higher than "know about" at 22.

Thus non-answers are at tone 30.

THE GOOD: Your comment is funny.

THE BAD: I don't know if you are serious or not (Poe's Law).

THE UGLY: I doubt you even know if you are serious or not.​

 

[lotus]

Tone 30 can't be real to us -
we must to go up the scale on a gradient scale
from .07 Hopeless

Can I have a locational please

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Lotus, it's just a fooking LABEL.

My idea of BTs is "disembodied beings". They can be Angels, Devils, Michael Jackson, or any other Being without a "meat" body.
Getting wound up in the fooking significance of the LABEL "BTs" is a sure way to stay on the 3 or NOTs lavels for the rest of your life.
Cellular memories count a little bit, but the vast majority of these Spiritual Beings are not stuck on human bodies. I see them in Trees, in Birds, Animals,
Most all 'things' can be hosts for these various other forms of "life".

Janaology has that owning ideas that do not belong to you is not necessarily helpful. However, there many ideas that Are very helpful, and contribute to our being able to survive well). There are these Beings around.

You have your "Labels". LRH had his.
Churchies get caught up in his greed, wherein he sees what a lot of money can be made from this phenomenon ( see, I can spell it...lol), and they buy his NOTs case. Well, what does he see? Enemies. Devils. Demons. DBs, Slackers, David Miscavige. lol.

this is just me.

there appeared to me these threads on ESMB where the 'critics' are more fanatical than the Churchies in the FZ.
Fanaticism is just not fun for me.
I don't doubt that there are a significant number of posters on this Board that feel the same way.

I do not include you in the "fanatics" labelling. The fanatics know who they are.

We're cool, baby.
I've been out for 30 years. I've sued. I've been to the Press. I've made Police Reports. I've picketed. I've posted on these Boards since ARS appeared. I've fought COS and agitated every chance I've gotten. Some of my black ops will go unmentioned, as there are others involved.

I haven't seen my Daughter in 30 years.
Thank you, Ron.

If it looks like I am somehow promoting Scn's upper levels, here's my take on it. I didn't spend much money at all. Over a 33 year period, I spent maybe ! $10,000. Most of my SCN was awarded to me. I never joined Staff, altho' I volunteered for Staff for years. Only as an addition to my 'real' life. LOL. And I did work for Alan Walter in the Mission network for some time. Alan awarded me stuff. ASHO-F awarded me stuff. AOLA awarded me stuff.
Whatever. I paid $689.00 for the entire Briefing Course, including all the Courses that go along with that. Such as Minister's course. I paid a Freeloader debt of some $7000. for OEC/FEBC.

So, I think my view of Dn/Scn is a bit milder that those who have gone bankrupt, or devoted their lives to a "Truman Show".

I know that there have been beaucoup guests visiting ESMB lately. Things are rolling fast on the Legal scene. ( Yay!) We might tone down our criticisms of the Belief System of the OT levels, and speak civilly about the upper level tech ...just until the traffic dies down here, at least ?

Believe me, I don't take anything on this Board personally. The years here and on ARS have hardened me.

So, yeah, we're good. Actually, Lotus, I don't disagree with any thing that you have said.

Maybe it's in the delivery? I've read the above posts and they were easy to read, conversational and contain none of that dreadful lecturing, robotic style that so many scientologists seem to adopt.

Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant ... but I do so appreciate straight speak and there is little of it in either the cofs of the freezone both of which seem to be stuck firmly in the 50's ... 'success stories' and airy fairy waffle just don't work anymore guys ... they just make people (me anyway) want to throw things.

 

[Gib]

The Survival Rundown was new when I got out, so I only delivered a few of them, but I liked the Rundown.
I only delivered it near the bottom of the Bridge, so I dunno how OTs run it.

I'd be interested the COS's issue of their Objectives Program, if anyone here has it.
If it has "Creation of Human Abilities" ( COHA) processes in it, it should be a winner.
Most of those were dropped off the Grade chart early on, but they will facilitate "exteriorization".
If all OTs are being C/S'd for it, it is because the OT levels are not making OTs, The p-OTs are not completing the OT levels. or
The pre-ot's are not Thetan Exterior, and therefore cannot locate BTs.

The Survival Rundown could be seen as a repair program for the above.

and.....more money more money ...keep em all onlines and donating... money money money

or maybe it could be because there are no so called "OT" levels above OT8,

which leaves DM with no choice but to sell the present time so called "OTs" to re-do their objectives or survival rundown,
(like he did with the purif not to long ago)

all under the guise of lost tech?

DM has thru Marketing, PR & propaganda gotten OT's to re-do things. He has gotten existing members to re-do.

But DM has failed at getting new people in, as is evident by lack of new members, coupled with more OT's going WTF and leaving.

And what of you, do you not want to do OT9 and above?

 

[Auditor's Toad]

..

THE GOOD: Your comment is funny.

THE BAD: I don't know if you are serious or not (Poe's Law).

THE UGLY: I doubt you even know if you are serious or not.​

All I know is I do LOVE HH's posts. All of 'em.

To me, HH makes ESMB readable & enjoyable.

But, some, ah, I just skip over.

 

[Gib]

So I asked a long time friend who is still on - dear Gawd - OT 7 what she thought about the church's ad on the Super Bowl.

Her reply. " I didn't see it. I don't watch sports. If there was an ad - which I seriously doubt there was - it would be a waste of money on a wrong target. We don't watch sports".

So, as usual, I found out I didn't really see what I saw and what I said happened didn't really happen, I made up that story from my own imagination, and I was just wrong, period.

Doesn't that certify me as one of them-there OT's we hear about so dog-goned much but never really see ?

I can do finger tricks, too : Look ! Here is my middle finger. now it's gone! Wanta see that again ?

I missed it.

Can you do it again?

 

[lotus]

All I know is I do LOVE HH's posts. All of 'em.

To me, HH makes ESMB readable & enjoyable.

Ditto

 

[DoneDeal]

I was dubed an ot in here the other day, but the t stood for troll...

I'm trying to clay demo.....when I find someone in rl that cares I'll......

I refrain from my usual assholeness.

I knew some ots

 

[phenomanon]

Got it
Thanks

I believe iI misinterpret, somewhere your sense of humour and took it for serious!

Thank you for your background - never wrote that about you Phenomenon.

Okay then - you are a phenomenon!


Can I ask you, what in $cientology tech, after 3 decades, you still believe and what you threw away ????
Or are you practicing a modified version of $cientology????




I don't really know what I kept, and what I threw away. I'm not even sure what is Scn and what is not. I have lived a very long and very unusual life. Scn is not the only practice that I have been involved in. Esalen, Yoga, some Religions, some Music, some Art, some Drugs., and other assorted Woo. And I think Scn is not the nuttiest. But it is the most abusive. The stories that I read here turn my stomach. Beatings? Surveillance? P.I.s? Squirrel Busters? What in Hell do those have to do with what Scn is sold as?!! ( don't get me started).
Scientology only works if you are using it. Like a hammer. Scn does nothing unless you are using it. Some just smack their thumbs, others smack the nail right in. Scn is not for every one. there are ppl whose mental state for one reason or another, are too fragile to do Scn. They end up in Isolation. ( another button of mine. I'm pretty sure when the MAA asked me to 'dose' an HGC PC with Thorazine, I could have settled the PC down with 2WC and Give Me That hand type permissive stuff.) Isolation and madness and death. What have those to do with what we were instructed was Scn?!
What nonsense. It's absurd. That's why I sometimes post Absurdities. I know it is a weird sense of humor.

But I really enjoyed exchanging stuff with you. There was stuff I needed to say, and I think needed saying.

Whatev. I'm real busy talking to Realtors, Loan Officers, Sellers, Buyers, Insurance Agents, Home Inspectrs, and packing up our house.
Yesterday was my 83rd birtday. Woot!

O nutz! I see I posted this before the "quote" . Sorry.

Thanks for reply!

I posted my comment before the "quote" Now what??!

 

[phenomanon]

I posted my comment before the "quote" Now what??!

I forgot to say that I don't practice any more at all. I have no heart for it.

 

[phenomanon]

Maybe it's in the delivery? I've read the above posts and they were easy to read, conversational and contain none of that dreadful lecturing, robotic style that so many scientologists seem to adopt.

Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant ... but I do so appreciate straight speak and there is little of it in either the cofs of the freezone both of which seem to be stuck firmly in the 50's ... 'success stories' and airy fairy waffle just don't work anymore guys ... they just make people (me anyway) want to throw things.

Prolly because I am not a Scn'ist any more.
I do not roll with Scn any more.

The whole fooking subject makes me wanna throw things. Churchies are victims , but believe that they are Superior Beings,The Freezone makes itself ridiculous by behaving like loons on this Board.

I am perfect, so I can say things like that.

 

[phenomanon]

Do you know what changed from Objectives?

I've got a copy of it around here somewhere, if yer rilly intrested, I'll find it. There was more on the Survival Rundown than just Objectives.
They were one step on a program of steps.

 

[lotus]

Phenomenon

Thank you very much for what you explained!

The thing that is haunting me the most with scientology is children abuse (any sea org member few decades ago, had seen children in the rpf ) and dead walking people in rpf. But most of scientologists did not even noticed it when they came on SO compound for advanced services. I mean - they did not want to see neither know! (selfish)

The other thing - is guarding a person on the baby watch for mental breakdown.
20 years later - still have mental images and regrets about this abuse and denial of medical care of the suffering people.

I also had done many practices and $cientology is the most abusive practice I ever encounter and has nothing to do with a religion.

Ditto for what you said about the freakzone and churchies

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