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phenomanon

Canyon
It's true that anyone of a higher level tends to think of those "below them" as not yet privy to information that will "rock their world". I don't ever recall looking down on people of a lesser Case Level but I sometimes had those thoughts about "if you think that's weird/odd/exciting, wait 'til you hit OTVII/VIII" etc. LOL

There are actually people here who have more experience with the OT and non-OT interaction in marriage scenario. It was never a problem for me, my wife is smart as a whip and was OT IV and probably a better Auditor than me. I never once had one of those "it's just your Case" moments with her (though she may remember it differently).

OTs are, of course, forbidden from discussing their case or any discussion of or hint/allusion to any Upper Level materials.

I am OT.
Spouse has not audited the 3 level or beyond, altho' he has read the Nots materials. We don't talk about Scn much. He has a full time meaningful career, doesn't post here and doesn't want to hear entheta. LOL. That' OK with me. He brings me flowers on the 14th of every month. Hasn't missed a month in 32 years. There are concepts ( which can be found in Scn as well as elsewhere) that we both agree on. We have never used the word "casey" to or about one another.
It isn't an issue.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
Same here!

Despite my higher level ( Class X of the plaetry magic masters) I consider my husband as the same level than me.
I never use my magical power to have him feel he is lower than I am.

The last time we hold a meeting with Harry, Ron and Hermione, we had fun telling stories about ordinary people living
an ordinary life .

I don't hold my certicates and degree of ''great master'' on walls anymore as people always demands me to solve their problems. I could , but I prefer they experience the effect of the cause.

But truly, sometimes it's difficult to be at such high level, people aberrations are such unreal to me :duh:
I aways have to make efforts to keep mysellf at their level!:confused2:



It really helps to wear glasses. Infrequent eye contact will hold them off from seeking your attention.

I remember that LRH would seem surprized that others didn't know certain things that he knew.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
I Just cognite I am a great being!

despite all their unhandled BT's I must tolerate
I still spend time with people and help them in raising their awareness and Kwowigness to free them.
I never tell them about their wins I postulated.

Boy, it's a job!

You really are a Class 10! It's an easy way to be sure that a PC will get to the Examiner with a big grin and a floating needle. Postulate a big win and have them have it.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
OK, here's one topic I have not seen addressed. How do OTs of different levels relate to each other? Are OT I and II looked down on as not real OT levels by those above III? I've seen examples of spouses who were VII and VIII how does that work? Is there a real rank hierarchy there, or not, and if so, does it change the dynamics in the relationship? Are OTs so conditioned not to talk to anyone about their case that it never comes up in families?

I didn't go OT till I was in the FZ. I have interacted and become friends with many OTs
since. My opinion is that few take much notice of where others are on OT levels. I don't.

I and possibly others find auditing skills more to be looked up too.

For me most important is demonstration of wisdom.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
I didn't go OT till I was in the FZ. I have interacted and become friends with many OTs
since. My opinion is that few take much notice of where others are on OT levels. I don't.

I and possibly others find auditing skills more to be looked up too.

For me most important is demonstration of wisdom.

I couldn't imagine a reason to track where other people are in a role playing game like scientology. Hey, I went exterior and went OT 1,000,000,000. Funzo. But my favorite part of your post is:
For me most important is demonstration of wisdom

Because for me wisdom best important demonstration to.
 

Queenmab321

Patron Meritorious
I'm reminded of Buzz Lightyear as portrayed in the first Toy Story movie before he realizes near the end of the film that he's just a toy (clearly a religious type). Although his belief that he's actually a space ranger in whose hands lies the fate of the whole galaxy is presented as an utter delusion; nevertheless, he is drawn as a very sympathetic character. He's quick to help the other toys. He's gracious and not all proud, self righteous or condescending. I think it is important to remember that profoundly misguided beliefs do not automatically make one a villain. In my opinion this portrayal of Buzz as a misguided but essentially good person renders the film's humanist message all the more effective.
 
I didn't go OT till I was in the FZ. I have interacted and become friends with many OTs
since. My opinion is that few take much notice of where others are on OT levels. I don't.

I and possibly others find auditing skills more to be looked up too.

For me most important is demonstration of wisdom.

training!

Training!!

TRAINING!!!
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
I think this is an excellent suggestion. I have only interacted with a few still-ins, mostly as drive-by insults as I walked past their personality test tables and fired a shot or two to keep them from bothering me further.

If I were to talk to an OT (let's not include entheta just yet, a normal conversation), what would I notice? What would strike me as odd?

And what would be going through their head at the time? Constant self-censorship? Desperately trying to remember some bit of Ron's wisdom in dealing with a wog?

Would they try to steer the subject to SCN? Avoid it? Or try to probe me to get a reaction?

The most common thing I found dealing with "OTs" was and is the "I know something you don't" attitude. It is deeply ingrained and can bring a great deal of arrogance, depending on the person's basic nature. In dealing with other scientologists just a mention of their 'case level' sorts out the hierarchy instantly, in dealing with non scientologists of course this doesn't happen ... but if you look closely you can still see it.

Yes, in a way there is constant self censorship, however this applies to any scientologist. No matter what subject you raise, there will be a scientology explanation or observation about it, so if you look closely you can see the mental translations going on of real life situation into scientologese. In my experience newly in scientologists who are full of the 'wonders of the tek' are more likely to blurt this translation to show you how you can be helped. "OTs" have been around longer and tend to have seen that this can get one into conversational trouble, so instead it is kept on "good roads, good weather" level.

The most important thing an "OT" must present to the world is the facade of success and happiness - so in a normal conversation this is what you would likely encounter.
 
I think this thread is a great opportunity to ask and answer those questions, Lotus. There are many people here who have done scientology's OT Levels, even if they no longer think of themselves in those terms. They're good people who will answer honestly any question asked of them. Let's converse!

and then there are the people like me, just a ClIV ARC Straightrazor Release who took the common adages "you're as OT as you want to be" and "a being always knows" at face value, spent little money (about $2000 then and thirty years later $4000 to pay off the freeloader debt) joined staff for about a couple years, studied and practiced the lower levels honestly and well, watched intently, listened keenly, maintained personal integrity and left after three years with what they gained and proceeded to live an utterly wild courageous dangerous productive and utterly "OT" life...
 
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OTs I have been associated with by working in the same org as them, or they occasionally visited the org.

1. A woman who seemed straightforward and cheerful and not bad to be around. No problems with her "OT" state getting in the way of interaction.

2. A guy I worked even more closely with. From Cockney background. Very down to earth and a very no-BS sort of person. Would keep to the rules about not divulging OT level stuff, but was very plain that he was hoping to achieve "exterior with full perception" someday, that he had not achieved that on his OT levels. Actually he must have had some idea that he could not have completely expected it, but since he went on about it I think he had hoped he would get it. He didn't have any BS about how he interacted with people, He was always down to earth before and after his OT levels.

There were a couple of others I knew a lot more closely. They were in jobs IRL working with the public which was very hands on and requires authentic real people so they too did not seem to have an "OT personality" in the way. One of them came back from TTC at FLAG once (was already OT 7) and she obviously had HUGE ISSUES!! about her time there, but would only talk to "the correct terminals" about it.

So far these were all on day or fnd staff. They seemed to feel comfortable knowing that they were not going to be asked awkward questions or they could easily deal with them if they were asked.
There was a public OT who hang around the org helping a bit. She seemed a bit less at ease and some of the younger staff or helpers would asks her things requiring a bit of dodging. She used too say sometimes "It's all about 'granting beingness' " That's what it's ALL about, granting beingness". I got the idea that she was implying that there were a lot of things that she'd had to do, that it WASN"T about" :biggrin: ....I assumed wrong bridge steps, policy appied wrong etc etc, because as a staff member I could see public and staff having 'issues' with things like that.

There was another 'public' OT who did not need to deal with our org really but becuase we were the closest, and no AO in the area a bit of contact occured. She was very very stand offish and to my mind unfriendly, but then, being pestered and bothered by people at our org could have caused that!

It was a relatively small town (city) and small place = OTs had to fit in or stick out painfully like a sore toe. I am assuming most scientologist did not make them uncomfortable by asking them to fetch ashtrays without using arms and legs or asking for upper level secrets. At times where I did see a question the OT would not be permitted to answe,r they would just smile and say "You'll just have to do your OT levels" and not a word about batshit crazy space opera, or FAILED OT LEVEL phenomena etc.
 

Gib

Crusader
Seriously? lol

ANSWER: Anyone needing to ask "which meaning of OT" wouldn't be an OT by any definition.

I reckon there are levels.

people that can remote view

people that can bend spoons

people that can be cut in half, and re appear as whole.
 
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Terril,

I'm being serious now and this is a genuine request ... would you define what you mean by OT please?


After 5 years of hanging out on the same message board with Terril, this is a fascinating question to ask him. I have no idea what he has been promoting all this time.

If i had to guess what his answer is going to be. . .


Fanfare
Drum Roll
Curtains Open
Spot light focuses
Terril steps out on stage
Answers in a few quizzically ambiguous words.
My response: "Waiter, check please! I'll take this popcorn to go."


Why do I think that no Scientologist can actually answer what an OT is? LOL
 
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