A DECLARE..SHATTERED CHILDREN..DISCONNECTION

Illegal Alien

Patron with Honors
Sorry guys had to edit a spelling error so here is the new link.[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQSx6W_BSE&feature=plcp[/video]
 

jellybean_1

New Member
What a frightening and awful story,I pray that 1 day your children will know how much you love them....your ex is a bitch....
 

Happy Days

Silver Meritorious Patron
As always IA my thoughts are with you and your family....

It doesn't get any easier ..... but we can only hope that the cult implodes and people and children are set free to reconnect ....
 

vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
Sorry guys had to edit a spelling error so here is the new link.[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQSx6W_BSE&feature=plcp[/video]

Thank you for sharing this with all of us. I thank God every day that I was the last to leave and didn't leave any family behind me. So very, very sad and it makes me angry ... nothing seems to have changed... to be honest, if anything if has got worse. Love to you and your family. My thoughts and positivity are with you. :love8::love8:
 
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Adrian, that was a beautifully touching communication. Thank you for allowing us to be part of this intimate moment with you and your children. I can see and feel the love and your bond with each of them.

I know that you are experiencing great sadness and loss. Never give up on the thought of a reconnection...even if it seems impossible. When you have a bond that strong, nothing can break it.

Do what you need to do to correct this illegal activity. One day, your children will be with you again and you will have opportunity to create many more new happy memories...just follow your heart.
 
I'm fairly new to the group and am scrolling and reading through everything past and present, and some of this stuff just breaks my heart. This post was from 3 years ago - I'm really curious as to how everything worked out. I somehow stumbled across the video you'd made for your kids on YouTube, which means if I can, they can. For all of you on this board who've made it out, I'm incredibly happy for you.
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
I'm fairly new to the group and am scrolling and reading through everything past and present, and some of this stuff just breaks my heart. This post was from 3 years ago - I'm really curious as to how everything worked out. I somehow stumbled across the video you'd made for your kids on YouTube, which means if I can, they can. For all of you on this board who've made it out, I'm incredibly happy for you.

I've no idea how this all worked out - or IF it did.

The cult specializes in doing it's best to ruin the life of anyone not in lockstep with the cult.

The good news is the cult continues to rapidly shrink. True to their are broken bodies & hearts left behind in the wake of their destruction.

The good news is more & more people still IN are ignoring the disconnect crap & communicating anyway.

The cult is watching what it once called 'power' dwindle away from it as people wake up & start to control; their own lives.
 

TrevAnon

Big List researcher
I'm fairly new to the group and am scrolling and reading through everything past and present, and some of this stuff just breaks my heart. This post was from 3 years ago - I'm really curious as to how everything worked out. I somehow stumbled across the video you'd made for your kids on YouTube, which means if I can, they can. For all of you on this board who've made it out, I'm incredibly happy for you.

Check the member site of the person who posted the OP, http://www.forum.exscn.net/member.php?5209-Illegal-Alien : you'll see IA was active until 2013 ("About me" tab). Might help. :)
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Adrian did a piece on television (??) and the interviewer spoke to Estefania and she denied she was pressured to disconnect etc. It was really sad to see her so brainwashed. Adrian was successful in rescuing his other son Shane from the RPF however. There was a story by Bryan Seymour about that.

Woman's Day article
 

Hypatia

Pagan
Many months ago when I got out of Scientology I sent an e-mail to my daughter roughly saying the following:

I told her that I am no longer in Scientology and that the reasons for that are my own (her mother is in a very strong Scientology family). I warned her and said that one day Scientology would ask her to choose between me and Scientology.

I said the decision is yours and whatever decision you make will not change how I feel about you, I will always be your Dad and love you more than anything in this world and am always here for you.

Well, I just got off the phone with my 13 year old daughter who was in tears as Scientology was forcing her to never speak to me again due to the fact that I have been out spoken about my negative experiences in Scientology.

This is what happened.

We have been planning a trip for my two kids from my previous marriage to come out to Australia for a visit. I have sent the air ticket money and visa documents and they were supposed to arrive in early July. They have been excited about seeing Australia and we have spoken about all the things we are going to do.

A few days ago I got an e-mail from my daughter saying she needs to speak to me urgently, so I called and was met with one of the most - in fact the most - difficult things I have been through in my life.

She sounded really down on the phone and I will try to cover as accurately as I can what transpired.

She said she has heard that I am attacking Scientology and she asked if that was true. I asked her who had told her and she said her mother, she said I had been declared a suppressive person by the Church. I told her that I am out spoken about my experiences in Scientology and it’s all based on my experiences and that I am telling the truth. She responded by saying that I am attacking Scientology and that she cannot further her studies in Scientology if I continue to speak out and would be forced to sever all contact with me as per Scientology policy.

I asked my daughter to put her Mom on the phone.

My ex-wife said that two weeks while they were at Scientology in Clearwater, Florida, she was shown my Suppressive Person Declare. This Suppressive person Declare in Scientology terms basically means that Scientology labels you in writing that you are the lowest of the low, a criminal and against the wellbeing of all around you, and they show this to people who know you so that they disconnect from you. The result is nobody and I mean nobody who is in Scientology is allowed to have contact with you at all.

I told her that I have not seen such a declare on me and my ex insisted she was shown this document. I said “well then why have I not seen it?”.

She told me it was not being given to me for media reasons.

I got straight to the point with my ex asking her what that meant for the trip that was being planned. She said she is not sending my kids over anymore as she does not trust me due to me being declared a Suppressive Person.

A heated conversation followed at which point I asked for my daughter to be put back on the phone.

My daughter is now in tears on the phone telling me that I should “Do it for her”

What she means is that I get back into good standing with Scientology. That “if I love her I would handle this with the Church”.

At this moment my heart is being ripped out of my chest.

She is insisting that if I do not she will have to “disconnect” from me otherwise she will not be able to continue in Scientology.

I reminded her about the warning I had sent her months ago.

I told her this is not me wanting to break our bond nor is it you, take a look what your heart says, this is somebody else - the Church - saying we cannot be together. I am not forcing this situation on you and vice versa, Scientology is forcing this on us.

I told her everything that I have spoken out about is from my experience, they are things within the Church that need to change. I told her I do not expect her to understand yet and for that will not get into all the reasons.

I used an example saying: If you are at school and you see a teacher abusing a child and nothing gets done about it and you go to the principal and tell him and he denies it and then the abuse continues. So you then go to the School inspectors to report what you have witnessed and as a result you get expelled from the school as an out of control student.

This is what is happening, I told her I cannot sit and watch Scientology spokes people talk on the TV and know they are lying and do nothing about it.

With tears on her side of the phone and me fighting back my tears she insisted I return and I replied I will not return to Scientology however I respect your decision to continue studying scientology and will not get in the way of that and never have.

I have never told her anything bad about Scientology only that I was out.

I did this specifically as I knew Scientology would pull out their heavy hand and rip another family to pieces.

Well boy was I wrong. They still went ahead, getting a 13 year old girl overwhelmed by tears to call her father and say she will not speak to him again until he is in good standing with Scientology. It’s beyond reason that this could even be asked of anyone let alone a 13 year old girl.

Now my 10 year old son does not get a say in this either. He becomes a victim and maybe not fully capable of understanding what is happening but regardless of how he feels he is forced to lose his father and is helpless to the heavy hand of Scientology.

This conversation went back and forth over an hour and it ended with my daughter well and truly in tears telling me not to contact her until I was in good standing with Scientology.

My heart was literally lying on the floor, shattered, I was deflated and slumped down on the couch.

Do you want to know why we protest, do you want to know why people speak out and risk so much to get the truth of Scientology out there?

Well this story is why we protest, we protest because a “Religious” group has policies and uses them to rip thousands of families in two all in the name of “Religious Freedom”.

You show me another group in this world that forces people to break up the most precious and basic unity there is in this world, the family.

We protest because of the ABUSE and we will not rest until it ends……

I'm new, too, and just saw this.

Anyone who wants to know about Scientology's effect on members and why so many books and interviews are written about it should read this.

My heart breaks for you. I am so so very sorry.
 
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