Carmel
Crusader
While I like this board and consider it beneficial for many (especially those thinking of leaving the CofS and those who have left), there's one thing that continually hits a nerve with me. That is, that so many of your comments, are so black and white, and so exclusive - no room for exception - the very thing I hated about the rampant "group think" within the CofS. Zinj said on another thread that I might find myself a bit "out-group" on this board. I probably do, but that's nothing new. I was "out-group" in the CofS for two decades, and in groups to which I "belonged" before and after Scientology.
I am not alone in that, and that's my point. Everyone had different experiences in Scientology. The concept that everyone who was "in", needs to go through a process of getting "de-programmed" (for want of a better word), is a fallacy. While it may be true for many or most, it isn't true for all. From my books, the assumption that it is, is one from a "blinkered" perspective.
Some didn't have LRH as some kind of deity and didn't hold onto his every word (per much advice actually given by him). There are many texts where he said to not accept a thing if it wasn't real, and some where he said to evaluate the difference between his opinion and the tech (theory and procedure to be adhered to when applying Scn). Some knew that much of the tech was altered, and that the alterations accelerated to a point, where one coming in, couldn't substantiate what was the tech and what wasn't anymore.
Some (based on knowledge from studying the tech and sometimes their own experience) hated the exclusivity of Scn , hated the overall perversion of the o/w tech, hated the attitude toward the 'wog world' or "wogs", hated the way they saw public/staff/crew being treated, hated the omission of the virtues and common decency, hated the mis-use of ethics and justice tech, hated the blind acceptance from seniors or senior execs, etc, etc, etc - they refused to accept it, kept fighting it or left.
Some had positions in the field, or on staff (admittedly not so much within the SO), where they could object to and deal with the insanity within the ranks, while delivering a tech, that did make a difference to many. Some didn't trust DM from early on, and lived in the hope that he would lose his power and hold, which he had/has over the CofS. I admit that it was a false hope and naive to think that one could make a dent into the way things were overall, or into the way things could be, but still - the denial of any possible gains of another, from the tech or their experience in Scientology, by so many who have left, is a shame. I am currently going through something right now, that I could not have faced (let alone survived), if it wasn't for the knowledge and abilities gained through/via Scientology. The denial of such a possibility (just cause it's not your reality) is hardly a fair judgement, and is pretty sad.
Nasty mechanisms to introvert and trap, are in common use within the cult. Many (maybe most) have fallen prey to that, to varying degrees. I understand the bitterness about that (it's one of the things that fucked me off big time, about the CofS). My point is though, that not all did fall prey to that. There are some with issues regarding experiences within the CofS, that are devoid of that phenomenon (that common one which so many of you regard as an absolute for anyone who was been a scn'ist). I'm just asking some of you who don't respect that, to do so.
Hey, for the record, I am more than absofu'ckinglutely pissed off with so much that has been and still is with the CofS, but I have specific targets for that. To allow it to become a generality would be foolish. This board is something that's helping me with that. Thanks !
I am not alone in that, and that's my point. Everyone had different experiences in Scientology. The concept that everyone who was "in", needs to go through a process of getting "de-programmed" (for want of a better word), is a fallacy. While it may be true for many or most, it isn't true for all. From my books, the assumption that it is, is one from a "blinkered" perspective.
Some didn't have LRH as some kind of deity and didn't hold onto his every word (per much advice actually given by him). There are many texts where he said to not accept a thing if it wasn't real, and some where he said to evaluate the difference between his opinion and the tech (theory and procedure to be adhered to when applying Scn). Some knew that much of the tech was altered, and that the alterations accelerated to a point, where one coming in, couldn't substantiate what was the tech and what wasn't anymore.
Some (based on knowledge from studying the tech and sometimes their own experience) hated the exclusivity of Scn , hated the overall perversion of the o/w tech, hated the attitude toward the 'wog world' or "wogs", hated the way they saw public/staff/crew being treated, hated the omission of the virtues and common decency, hated the mis-use of ethics and justice tech, hated the blind acceptance from seniors or senior execs, etc, etc, etc - they refused to accept it, kept fighting it or left.
Some had positions in the field, or on staff (admittedly not so much within the SO), where they could object to and deal with the insanity within the ranks, while delivering a tech, that did make a difference to many. Some didn't trust DM from early on, and lived in the hope that he would lose his power and hold, which he had/has over the CofS. I admit that it was a false hope and naive to think that one could make a dent into the way things were overall, or into the way things could be, but still - the denial of any possible gains of another, from the tech or their experience in Scientology, by so many who have left, is a shame. I am currently going through something right now, that I could not have faced (let alone survived), if it wasn't for the knowledge and abilities gained through/via Scientology. The denial of such a possibility (just cause it's not your reality) is hardly a fair judgement, and is pretty sad.
Nasty mechanisms to introvert and trap, are in common use within the cult. Many (maybe most) have fallen prey to that, to varying degrees. I understand the bitterness about that (it's one of the things that fucked me off big time, about the CofS). My point is though, that not all did fall prey to that. There are some with issues regarding experiences within the CofS, that are devoid of that phenomenon (that common one which so many of you regard as an absolute for anyone who was been a scn'ist). I'm just asking some of you who don't respect that, to do so.
Hey, for the record, I am more than absofu'ckinglutely pissed off with so much that has been and still is with the CofS, but I have specific targets for that. To allow it to become a generality would be foolish. This board is something that's helping me with that. Thanks !