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The_Fixer

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Thanks guys, I'm just angry and confused at the moment.

Naturally we still love him and want to help, but he is 26 now and if he won't let us help there's not much I can do about it.

He either doesn't medicate or abuses it. Gets prescrptions from several doctors and overdoses himself.

I am still trying to reach the psychiatrist that discharged him to get her take on it before I do much else. I need a bit more info first.

GB I would be curious to know what drugs are used now. It seems that info is not always that easy to get here at times, so I got to keep digging.

I need time as well. The last week has been pretty traumatic for the family, but I'm sure we'll find some sort of an equilibrium. We are not disconnecting from him, just giving ourselves some breathing space. He is still welcome to talk to us, etc. Only coming to the house is banned for the time being.

Jeez Ogs, I feel you there. Sorry to hear about that. It's a shitty deal.

Thanks for your comments and support. It is appreciated.
 
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Gottabrain

Guest
Thanks guys, I'm just angry and confused at the moment.

Naturally we still love him and want to help, but he is 26 now and if he won't let us help there's not much I can do about it.

I am still trying to reach the psychiatrist that discharged him to get her take on it before I do much else. I need a bit more info first.

GB I would be curious to know what drugs are used now. It seems that info is not always that easy to get here at times, so I got to keep digging.

I need time as well. The last week has been pretty traumatic for the family, but I'm sure we'll find some sort of an equilibrium. We are not disconnecting from him, just giving ourselves some breathing space. He is still welcome to talk to us, etc. Only coming to the house is banned for the time being.


Thanks for your comments and support. It is appreciated.

Okay, a few things you should realise:

1) Due to his suicide attempts, you can assume legal custody. IMO, you should.
2) There is no sense in getting personally upset or angry. If he has severe Asperger's (and this does seem to be the case), that part of his mental capacity is just not working and he's not aware. He's not doing it on purpose to hurt you or anyone else. His thinking is flawed - it is based on how he feels at the moment.
3) There IS an end in sight. Once the relationships are stabilised, once the habits and routines are established, once he is on the correct meds, it is joyful and pretty effortless to care for him. It is still "assisted care" though and at some point you need to get your head around that and accept that.

I am in disagreement with your not allowing him at the house. His other relationship is a problem and now this one - the most important one, his with you - is also precarious. This doesn't help his condition at all. PLEASE talk to your wife or have the psychiatrist do so.

The young man I told you about (now 24) who has Aspergers lives next to his mother's family and she assists with his care, but he is pretty much independent. She makes sure he gets his meds, though, that he's bought enough to eat, that sort of thing. He mostly keeps to himself and prefers it that way but has her nearby if needed.

Psychiatrists never diagnosed him correctly all his life, until his grandmother died and he became extremely destructive, often picked up by the police. The day he ran around in the street naked, they FINALLY diagnosed him with Asperger's and treated him with the meds. He's been just sweet as pie since and is mostly independent in life and can mostly look after himself (one can't be completely certain good habits don't suddenly stop with Asperger's - they can and do for no reason). But if that relationship with his mother were broken or his meds stopped, I'm sure that would change.

His grandmother dying was the trigger that made his condition severe. He was manageable before then. With the older man, when his wife left him, that's when his condition became severe. NEITHER went back to normal afterwards, but had to be dealt with in that condition from then on.

Hope this helps. Glad you are talking to the psychiatrist and I'll find out about those meds ASAP and get back to you.

Sheila
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
I've had trouble handling cases like this when I was supporting people with learning difficulties to live independently in their own homes.

There are teams working with learning difficulties and teams working with psychiatric patients. You son needs a team that can work and understand both, it's rare but there are some that do. Many people with things like Asperger's also have mental health problems, it's actually quite common. Just keep banging on doors till you get the right help.

I don't know the system over there at all, in the UK it's pretty confused, it depends on local authorities as to what they can provide. He might be able to get into a specialist home where he could socialise more, if that could help.

I do think Gottabrain's right about the love, rejection wouldn't help.

Best of luck.

LLLL
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
Re: Update time

OK guys, there have been a few things happening.

My son is back in the psych ward under watch. He tried to kill himself Thursday night. Almost suceeded.

The trigger was his girlfriend decided to call it quits, as the stress was taking over as his conditions steadily worsened. She was talking to him on the phone and felt something was odd about him and she went over to check him out. He was unconcious on the floor when she arrived. He had taken about 30 Xanex tablets with a bottle of Southern Comfort. She called the ambulance just in time. He was just coming out of last effects Saturday when I visited him.

He was very angry he was found. At that time he was hoping for another chance to finish the job. When I spoke to him he was Robbie one moment and another entity the next. That's the one I wanted to punch out. But I didn't, thankfully.

There has been a lot going on since he was released last time. He didn't want to move back with us, opting to move into transitional lodgings. He said it would help to get set up more quickly that way than if he was living with us.

Xmas night he came over. He went to the bathroom and it went quiet. My sister in law and daughter went inside and found him coming out of our bedroom with some money he had just lifted from my wife's purse. Shit. After he went home, we were informed about it. The wife has banned him from our house now. We have not cut him off, just he cannot come to the house anymore, at least for the time being. We just cannot trust him anymore.

He came over a couple of weeks before Xmas and stole his present. It was the only thing to go missing and it had his name on it. We just knew it was him.

As we found out recently, he had been over my ex's family Xmas dinner and stole a bottle of wine and someone's maglite torch, a big one. Denied everything. Got everyone doubting about accusing him.

My ex went to sort out some stuff for him whilst he was in hospital and found some of the stolen stuff.

He still has to face court on more stealing charges, has collection people after him for money. We are getting all his mail here, he won’t change his address. We can’t believe much of what he tells us as it is mostly lies.

Apparently he tried to kill himself again in the ward. Don’t know many details there yet.

Come Monday, the hospital discharged him. WTF? He’s still high risk.

Got a call last night from my ex. He has OD’d again and is back in hospital.

I was quite distressed (along with the family) last week about all this, now I’m angry with him. We all are.

My family has decided to support him, not enable him anymore. He is to be keep at a certain distance (emotionally), as we can’t take the stress he spreads. I haven’t been up to see him yet. I’m too angry to face it just yet.

I know he is hurting, but he refuses to take charge and get on with things. Even the support network around him can’t do much as he thinks he’s above that.....and it’s like he spits in their faces.

He has become like a heroin addict that has to be evicted from the family until he dries out.

Excuse me. I just gotta go and kick the shit out of something.

I am truly sorry that you are going through that. It's not just devastating for him, it's tough on family members.

I think some others have given you some great feedback.
 

The_Fixer

Class Clown
I rang the hospital last night and spoke to my son after he had been admitted.

I asked him what happened. He told me he didn't try to kill himself last time (relief!).

Apparently he was sitting in his room feeling totally overwhelmed and took some extra medication hoping it would help and began to realise he just stuffed things up. So he called the ambulance to go to hospital. Then he rang his mother whilst he was waiting for it.

I also asked if he knew why he was discharged so quickly before. I was told that the psychiatrist was in a hurry to get to a meeting and told him that he was a very good liar and he wasn't going to waste time with him. Go home. :no::no::no: I will follow up on that one and see if some ass needs kicking. If true, then that was extremely unprofessional conduct and needs to be addressed. Sounds like one of the bad guys that come along.

His mother revved him over the last attempt and told him if he's going to do it, then do a proper job, hoping it would shock him into seeing some sense. I can see her point, but I don't think it was a good idea really. She was the one who told me he had just tried to kill himself again. I tend to forget sometimes that she hears and thinks 1+1=40 if you get my drift. Unfortunately my mind was on other things just then.

She is a bit of a nut job (I know I know, I am the ex) and says and does a lot of inappropriate things. I seriously think she has some disorders herself but will never admit it, much less seek help. She does try to help him, but often tends to undo a lot of positive gains unwittingly. Nobody can get past the somebody else's fault viewpoint.

All this is only going to add to his pressures, unfortunately.

All in all, this hospital visit has a much more positive note to it. I told him we all loved him and will stand by him as a family member.

Last night before I rang him, I came to a few decisions. I owe many thanks to you guys here for your support, and especially Gottabrain.:thumbsup:. It's more than I can get locally, even the psychs are hard to get hold of. I'm still waiting for contact.

I have decided to get some help regarding his legal problems. His first offense came with a heavy penalty for a minor act. That surprised me, I would have to question the competency of the duty solicitor that represented him. He was guilty as charged, but it seemed no mitigating factors were considered. He is facing subsequent charges, so will have to get on board here quickly.

Pending that outcome, I will have to get him with a debt counseller. His mess is a little out of my depth to handle, so I'll get more suitable people in.

Finally, we'll have to push his medical assistance along and get him stable. I told him last night I was coming in today to talk to him. Not to worry, no crap no pressure, just talk and see what we can do to help get his situation into a better place.

I know you don't agree GB, but the house ban at this time still stands. My wife cannot cope with the stress he brings in and it affects the other family members. He doesn't really want to live here either. So we'll continue to look for some solutions.

Both his and my funds are very limited so it tends to tie my hands a bit. However, I can give him my time and support. We'll sort something out
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
You seem to be doing well, good stuff.

You may well find some kind of support group for parents of adults with Aspergers, that could be useful as well as a group for him to go to, sometimes you just need to talk to someone that has understanding of the kind of life you have. Not everyone could possibly relate to it. Parents need at least as much support as their kids, or they will end up as nut jobs.

It's a horrid thing to say but you are not going to always be there for him, he needs to start standing on his own feet, with support of course. I have seen clingy parents that just wouldn't trust anyone else and when they pass away they leave such a mess.

Best of luck.

LLLL
 
My son is 25 and suffers from Aspergers syndrome. He is in the psych wards at the moment whilst they handle his other issues and try to get him back on track. In short, they all care.

Progress so far:

:omg:No shock treatment :omg:

:omg: No debilitating psych drugs :omg:

:omg: No lobotomy scheduled :omg:

:omg: He is not going to die in there with the industry of death in charge.:omg:

:thumbsup:They talk to him. He is on drugs, but only the ones that help ease the stress until he can cope himself. He was about to do himself in very soon. He was put in because he was cutting himself.

I am grateful for the psychiatric intervention. I have also found everyone involved is keen to stabilise him and get him back into a position where he can cope by himself and move ahead.

I have found no evidence of Tom Cruise's hate spew about "the industry of death". Obviously he has been reading LRH's "parrot sheets".

Does anyone who was involved with Scientology ever found a line that really cared and helped as well? Meaning that in a practical sense.

Incidentally, all this help and treatment is free of charge under Australia's public health system. That part would read as the ultimate horror story to the Co$.

Last year, he mentioned he was interested in looking at Scientology. When my family told me that I went - ":omg::nervous::angry::melodramatic::duh:", etc.

When I finally got to him a couple of weeks later, I asked him about it and he told me they were a pack of crazy wankers and wouldn't go near them. He hadn't even heard of OCMB or ESMB yet. I was proud that he had figured it out on his own.

There you go Davey boy, even the crazy ones think you're a pack of fuckheads as well! My boy ain't all that crazy after all! Love him to bits.

psychiatry is no where near as bad as it was and that is in large part due to work done by students of hubbard's work. many people do in fact gain relief from medications however, they are vastly overmedicating the general population. they continue to use ECT and they are reviving pschosurgery. i was personally lynched twice by the bastards both times for political reasons. my father was twice electrozapped by the pricks, also for political reasons. i've known a few shrinks who were decent human beings but most are nerds clods and monsters.
 
ohhh...

i certainly do wish you and your son well. i have not yet read the thread in it's entirety but i shall.

probably the best thing you could do is ditch the CoSuckers and the shrinks and engage a tribal witchdoctor from borneo
 

Kutta

Silver Meritorious Patron
i've just read the later parts of this thread, Fixer. My love and thoughts are very much with you, that you find the guidance and strength you need, and that your son gets the help he deserves.
 
Fixer, my heart goes out to you, your son and family.

I think you are absolutely doing the right thing in controlling his interactions with your family to outside of their home. You have to have a safe space for everyone else to be able to stay calm and deal with the problems he is causing for the family, and to heal your own stress and upset over this.

Having read the rest of this thread...I see some red flags and feel the need to comment further, for the sake of my own conscious. I have to say it seems very clear to me that you are describing someone who has a dual diagnosis at the very least. (More than one diagnosis to handle at once). What you are describing is not typical of someone with Asperger's syndrome, to my training and experience. Not saying he doesn't have Aperger's just that more is going on with him than that....which needs to be addressed first.

He is self medicating with drugs (over reliance, over use, getting more than one prescription, etc.) and alcohol. A twelve step program like AA or NA might really help give him much needed structure and support, and encourage him to work a program. I urge you to find him a substance abuse counselor and program to work with. This might be key to his recovery.

He clearly has an impulse control problem, and if he has been compulsively stealing things, money and stuff, you are absolutely right to deny him access to your home, just as you would any other active addict. That he may have some other mental/emotional problems at work in his life is NO EXCUSE for the bad behavior of lying, stealing and drug and alcohol abuse. He has to (and can) take responsibility for those. Including cooperating in handling whatever legal troubles he is in because of his substance abuse. Here we have drug courts, which largely do diversion for first time offenders into treatment. He may need re-hab (substance abuse treatment in a lock-down facility) more than he needs psychiatric treatment...does he hear voices? Feel compelled to do unusual repetitive actions or rituals? Does he go through periods of missing time, have black-outs or where he is really out of touch with reality, or hallucinating? Any of this visible or obvious to other people? If so, then he definitely needs psychiatric care as well.

A lot of young people who have some kind of mental/emotional illness or just have a lot of stress and anxiety from dealing with a learning disorder which is not being treated adequately turn to drugs and alcohol to self medicate...it sometimes helps them for short bits, but always creates other bigger problems in their lives as well. He is not alone if this is primarily what he is doing... I wonder if your son has also developed some kind of an substance abuse/addiction problem, in which case he could really benefit from some specific treatment from a substance abuse counselor (someone trained to handle those issues), in addition to medical treatment for his anxiety or any other mental/emotional or social issues. Even more so than from psychiatric treatment, at least initially.

Most people with Asperger's syndrome have normal to very high intelligence, but seem to be socially handicapped. Their difficulties are in fitting into society and in understanding other's emotions, "reading" people right, seeing how their own behaviors effect others, and in communicating well and in getting along well with others. Like people with autism, they are often anxious, sensitive to the point of being easily upset and highly reactive to unpleasant outside stimuli. Loud noises, certain smells, textures of clothing, windy or stormy weather, some tastes and textures of certain foods grate on their nerves far more than neuro-typicals (and hey, we're all on a spectrum here! Some of us "normal" people have nerves of steel, some of us are a little jumpy, and some of us are really sensitive).

I have to say that many of the traits you are describing sound to me very much more like a Bi-polar (what used to be called manic depressive) disorder or extreme ADHD, and not so much Asperger's syndrome. It is possible for him to be on the Autism spectrum and also have an issue of being Bi-polar, ADHD, or a substance abuser. Each of these would need to be treated in their own light.

You mention he was on an anti-anxiety med (which he was ODing on in an attempt to make it "work" better) and then they put him on Lithium, which is almost always specific for Bi-Polar disorder. Garden variety depressives with anxiety issues seldom if ever are put on Lithium...(Aspies never are) usually either anti-depressant medication or anti-anxiety medication works well for them and normalizes their behaviors and enhances their coping mechanisms and functionality. That these have seemingly not worked for your son tell me that something else is at work in causing some of his more extreme behavior, mood swings, lying, impulsively acting out, etc... It sounds as if they are treating him for bi-polar disorder, which is an entirely different diagnosis from Asperger's syndrome. He is clearly not in control of himself yet, and needs a lot of structure, oversight and support as his doctors are finding the correct medication to help stabilize him.

I myself do not think that Asperger's syndrome by itself is a mental illness, more like a form of learning disability... their brains are just hard-wired differently from most, it doesn't made them mentally ill... although when I was first in college being educated about this, and ADD (attention deficit disorder) and ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), they were described as being "minimal brain damage" or "minimal brain dysfunction", which is a neurological deficit issue and not an mental illness.

As you are doing some research, please look into and learn a little bit about these two conditions, ADHD and Bi-polar. To my experience, the kinds of actions you are describing your son has been taking are more typical of these, and not so typical of Asperger's syndrome. I'm pretty sure there is more going on with him that just Asperger's. ADHD and Bi-polar disorders often run in families. From your description of his Mom, she seems to clearly have an anxiety disorder herself, at the very least. Possibly she also has Bi-polar disorder or ADHD issues as well as your son does, and has never been treated adequately for them.

You and your entire family (without the son) can benefit from some family counseling (just talking therapy) to help heal from the distress of all this and also to help shore up your healthy boundaries with him and each other, and to move forward in a positive way together. See if you can find someone trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and experienced with family systems issues. All of you need some relief and support and care, too.

I don't want to sound negative in any way, but feel that it is realistic to share that he is at the age when Schizophrenia often shows up in males (early to mid twenties). This also tends to run along genetic lines. If he is really such a good lier, he may also be lying about what his symptoms really are, as well, even to his doctors. It may be useful to his doctor(s) to know that his biological Mother also has (at the very least) an untreated anxiety disorder.

One thing that may help you to decide what it is, is this...people with Bi-polar disorder often in their "manic" (emotionally, energetically "high"phases) are highly sexualized...overly so, at times, which may show up as heavy, heavy focus on the girlfriend or significant other, (or in searching for a partner) obsessive thoughts about love and romance, unrealistic expectations from a relationship, and a great deal of time, energy and focus spent on sex and pursing sexual encounters or love and romance. Does this in any way describe your son's behavior, or your ex-wife's? (You don't have to answer here...just think about this and answer to yourself)

I just went through an intense and grueling time dealing with a person who was struggling with a mental illness, who had survived a serious suicide attempt. I was brought into the family situation just after she was released from the hospital. She is now doing much better, living in a different, supportive home, moved on from a dysfunction and unrealistic romantic entanglement and has a whole team in place to support her needs. The mental/emotional issues will need to be treated and addressed for the rest of her life, but being in a safe and supportive environment makes it all so much better. I would say, try and get your son into rehab, if possible (the in-patient kind, where he graduates to a halfway house or group home, still somewhat supervised. He absolutely should NOT be living independently at this time, until his illness is better treated and he is more stable).

As someone who has experience working with people who are sometimes suicidal, I can say that more often than not, it really is a "cry for help", and that those who attempt suicide do not really want to die, but are just in such overwhelming pain that they cannot see any other relief in sight, and just want the pain to stop. This is the best, easiest way that they see in the moment to make that happen.

I would say that neither of your son's two overdose experiences strike me a serious suicide attempts, although he may be flirting with it and needs intervention about it.

For the benefit of everyone reading here: a serious suicide attempt versus merely "acting out" with threatening suicide, a practice run (which happens more often than you'd think), etc. is this:

In a "serious" attempt, the person will go where they cannot be found, where they will be left alone, where they are not in touch with others, are not known, etc. For someone to immediately call another person and tell them what they did, or do it where they will be checked up on, or found (in time or not) etc. is more of an acting out, or a mistake in self-(over) medicating, as what happened with your son the second time. People in manic phases think that they can drink and take drugs and it won't really hurt them...often they feel kind of superhuman, in an irrational sort of way, don't eat normally, don't sleep normally, etc. Also, some young people, teens and tweens, have a kind of magical thinking about death sometimes, so that they will act out in the home and feel that someone will "know" and will come and stop them in time, etc.

To drink and OD, then call someone (your girlfriend or other close caring person) is more a messed up form of acting out, an attempt to control out of control thoughts and feelings, an extreme attempt to self medicate, than a serious suicide attempt. The problem is, people do sometimes accomplish death under these circumstances. Usually it is just a cry for help, and anyone who is doing this should be in a facility where they can get round the clock care and observation until their meds are straightened out, and their thinking and behavior becomes more normal. In an ideal world.

Fixer, feel free to pm me if you have any questions, or if you need to talk. I am at your disposal. Perhaps I can help with researching some resources for you. The multiple issues with your son sound very challenging, and I want to give you some support. He needs a team, not just his Dad, advocating for him and finding him proper treatment. You and your family need some help and support, too.

First of all, it's important to understand and to research and learn about what his true diagnosis (es) are. If they've got him on Lithium, his main issue is NOT Asperger's syndrome. He is probably not a reliable reporter of what they have told him or what he is experiencing in treatment. He may not be taking his meds properly, or eating and sleeping properly (without which the meds will not really work right). Most people are ashamed when they get a diagnosis of mental illness and try and minimalize it or lie about it, deny it or call it something else (sometimes for years). This is a pretty "normal" defense mechanism. Try to break through this denial if you can. I realize how very difficult it is for non-Scientologist families to do this, so I imagine it might be even more so for a family influenced by Scientology beliefs about mental illnesses and their treatments. Big hugs to your whole family, including your ex-wife.

Once again, my heart goes out to you and to your son. Don't give up on him. Does he have a social worker overseeing his case? If not, it's probably appropriate to contact Adult Protective services or Mental Health department, or Social Services for wherever you live, and request that they open a case file on him. At twenty-six, he's not a kid any longer, and his problems are serious. He needs a "team" on his side, not just you and your family and his girlfriend.

People can and do recover from much worse things than this. Courage! :)
 
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For anyone who might find more information on these topics helpful:

More about Asperger's Syndrome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

More about ADD and ADHD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Deficit_Disorder

Bi-polar Disorder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-polar_disorder

Schizophrenia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schitzophrenia

Substance abuse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse

Suicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide

I know this is all heavy going, but it is good for everyone to be at least a little educated about these topics. Mental and emotional illness is widespread and effects almost every family in some way. Much help and hope is available, but you've got to know and understand what you're dealing with.
 
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vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

After receiving my findings and recommendations declaring me to be an SP, I took a walk on the beach. Looking around at all the people, not a single one of them gave a shit that the CoS thought so poorly of me.

In an instant, I had a change of perception and began to wake up!


:coolwink:

All hale to this! So many people I have spoken to on my life journey have never heard of Scientology ever, or if they have, they just know it as something Travolta and Cruise are into. They are not really interested, and just move on.
 

vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
My son is 25 and suffers from Aspergers syndrome. He is in the psych wards at the moment whilst they handle his other issues and try to get him back on track. In short, they all care."

So heartening to know that he is being loved and cared for, I am so happy for you and your son. Best wishes to you both. :yes:
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Fixer,

I have never had to deal with a child in such distress.

The courage, love and compassion you have shown is more than a lot of folks...and probably me...could muster in such circumstances...and I'm not just talking about in regards to your son...you have others that need and depend on you, too and you are, in my view, making sound albeit painful decisions. It's okay to me mad about it all sometimes...holy smokes anyone in their right mind dealing with such as this would have to run the whole gamut of emotions just to stay sane.

My daughter, the specialist in teaching Asperger's children, has stuff happen all the time that frustrates her...and yes, sometimes angers her. She knows just how hard the situation can be on parents and families.

IMO if your son, with a snap of his fingers, could make it all go away he would. Part of the disorder is lack of empathy...that's not his fault...it's just, so sadly, how it is.

You, your son and your family are in my Prayers.

Face :)
 

Cherished

Silver Meritorious Patron
Fixer, I haven't read all of SweetnessandLight's last post, but the moment she mentioned dual diagnosis, I thought "she knows what she's talking about".

Some resources that might help you:

headspace www.headspace.org.au - headspace is for young people aged up to 25, but your son is only just out of the target group and headspace might be able to refer you to services in your area that you can tap into.

Legal Aid Queensland - http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/Pages/Home.aspx

Mental Health Law Clinic - http://www.qpilch.org.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=561

Queensland Mental Health Service - http://www.health.qld.gov.au/mentalhealth/docs/staff_in_our_services.pdf - they have community services of multi-disciplinary teams, including case workers

That's twice now that your son has sought help himself. Good signs.

<3
 
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Gottabrain

Guest
I rang the hospital last night and spoke to my son after he had been admitted.

I asked him what happened. He told me he didn't try to kill himself last time (relief!).
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His mother ... is a bit of a nut job (I know I know, I am the ex) and says and does a lot of inappropriate things. I seriously think she has some disorders herself but will never admit it, much less seek help. She does try to help him, but often tends to undo a lot of positive gains unwittingly. Nobody can get past the somebody else's fault viewpoint.

All this is only going to add to his pressures, unfortunately.

All in all, this hospital visit has a much more positive note to it. I told him we all loved him and will stand by him as a family member.

Last night before I rang him, I came to a few decisions. I owe many thanks to you guys here for your support, and especially Gottabrain.:thumbsup:. It's more than I can get locally, even the psychs are hard to get hold of. I'm still waiting for contact.

I have decided to get some help regarding his legal problems. His first offense came with a heavy penalty for a minor act. That surprised me, I would have to question the competency of the duty solicitor that represented him. He was guilty as charged, but it seemed no mitigating factors were considered. He is facing subsequent charges, so will have to get on board here quickly.

Pending that outcome, I will have to get him with a debt counseller. His mess is a little out of my depth to handle, so I'll get more suitable people in.

Finally, we'll have to push his medical assistance along and get him stable. I told him last night I was coming in today to talk to him. Not to worry, no crap no pressure, just talk and see what we can do to help get his situation into a better place.

I know you don't agree GB, but the house ban at this time still stands. My wife cannot cope with the stress he brings in and it affects the other family members. He doesn't really want to live here either. So we'll continue to look for some solutions.

Both his and my funds are very limited so it tends to tie my hands a bit. However, I can give him my time and support. We'll sort something out

What a relief to know it wasn't a suicide attempt this time! Now you've got the info on the psych and med assistance and legal and all, sounds like you've got a good handle on things.

If he doesn't want to live there and it is stressful to your wife, then you are doing the right thing. Perhaps regularly scheduled phone calls would work better, as long as he isn't too far.

Definitely use all the help groups you can - everything from legal aide to free debt counseling. You'll need to coordinate, but it doesn't mean you have to handle it all personally.

The out of control spending is part of the illness, I'm afraid. If he gets a bad credit rating so he can't get credit cards, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's the "if it feels good, do it" of Asperger's. Living for the moment and out of control.

Maybe if the police knew about his mental illness and you brought in dox, he'd get a more lenient response.

That doctor is an idiot. Asperger's is all about lying. The lack of connectedness with others brings this about, so lying has no guilt attached to it. It's an awful illness, so hard on the people around the affected person. Hopefully this time you'll have some time to explain it to the resident psych so that at the very least, you can get a referral.

If he isn't already covered by Medicare, he should be. Don't know how it is currently, but last I knew, US Medicare claims could be filed 90 days retroactively so make sure you get him to apply. Usually the hospital has forms for this, all ready to go, and someone to organise it all, too. Mentally ill people are put on a pension, btw, or your ex-wife would receive a payment as a carer. It's worth looking into. You'll have to explain to her that he doesn't do these things on purpose and to keep things calm, predictable and upbeat.

I was hoping for an answer about the meds, but it's the weekend here and I haven't gotten a return call. Hopefully tomorrow I'll know.

I apologise for being blunt and rough on you. This is a very emotional painful thing to go through, but it can all be okay if you take charge. I just wanted to get across to you that the illness is causing him to act this way and that it doesn't go away. Once your son has his habits and routines established (which doesn't take long, but you'll have to sort of push him to do it) and his meds, he'll be pretty easy to manage and you'll be able to enjoy your time with him again. Don't expect initiative - you'll need to push him to do the same thing 3-4 times before he falls into the habit. Asperger's sufferers are not self-starters but they are great at maintaining habits and rituals.

Love,
Sheila
 
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Gottabrain

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btw, it may be the alcohol combined with Asperger's that brings about the worst dramatisations of symptoms, IDK. Everyone is on a scale with Asperger's having it to a greater or lesser degree and there is still alot unknown about it. Your son sounds very much like the other two I dealt with, though.
 
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Gottabrain

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When you have some time, this is a terrific vid about exactly how Asperger's works and how it is different from Narcissism. I'm sure you'll find the detail very helpful:

[video=youtube;TLJEsT9mY2Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJEsT9mY2Y[/video]
 
Fixer, I don't know where you live, but see if there is a medical social worker attached to any facility where your son is/has been treated. Get in touch with them and ask them for some help, advice and assistance in referrals to other resources or programs with might help him. Be totally honest with them about your concerns about the situation, for your son's well being, and what you feel that you can and can't do personally for your son. Hopefully they can help with putting a support network of people and resources in place.

I'm praying for you and your family. :)
 

The_Fixer

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Thanks to everyone with their support.

Sweetness, thank you for everything you wrote. I first read it all yesterday morning, but it has taken me until now to compose myself enough to respond.

I am finding it difficult just at the moment to talk here, but will get back to you. I appreciate your offer of support and hope to take you up on that shortly.

Thanks to you too Gottabrain, your posts are not offending me at all. Just the opposite.
 
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