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Vinaire

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People are 'fixated' on their 'private parts' for one and only one reason: because sex feels GOOD. Really GOOD. The urge to procreate is built into our DNA. It's not any more mysterious than that. However, if you want to consider that there is some outside force (spirit, thetan, being, whatever) that affects this drive, then you can come up with a million 'reasons' or 'considerations' about sex. All of them bullshit mental gibberish.

Have sex as often as you can with someone who you like and likes you. You will have a much happier life.

Are you telling that to yourself? Are you trying to convince yourself of it?

Sorry! I don't mean to offend you. These are just research questions.

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I have a funny suspicion. It is us who keep ourselves hypnotized. There is nobody else hypnotizing us.

It is us who want to be hypnotized.

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AngeloV

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No, I'm telling you. Are you telling me that DNA has nothing to do with sex drive? I am basing this on proven, scientific evidence. Yes, I am convinced that this evidence is true. Perhaps you can answer this question: What part does DNA play in the procreation of a species?

RE: Hypnotized. So the urge to procreated and FEEL GOOD is a product of being hypnotized?
 

Vinaire

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No, I'm telling you. Are you telling me that DNA has nothing to do with sex drive? I am basing this on proven, scientific evidence. Yes, I am convinced that this evidence is true. Perhaps you can answer this question: What part does DNA play in the procreation of a species?

I am not telling anybody anything.

I am just looking and presenting what I see.

It is open to peer review.

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RE: Hypnotized. So the urge to procreated and FEEL GOOD is a product of being hypnotized?

A person who is hypnotized feels very normal. He doesn't know that he is hypnotized.

Look at all those Scientologists in the Church as an example.

So, I would not be surprized that this urge to feel good while procreating, or while trying or pretending to do so, is part of a hypnotic condition.

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AngeloV

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So do I understand you correctly that being hypnotized is bad? And you think it's possible that feeling good about sex is only because one is hypnotized?

Assuming you think that the last question is true, then do you think that every 'live unit' of every species on earth is hypnotized?
 

Vinaire

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So do I understand you correctly that being hypnotized is bad? And you think it's possible that feeling good about sex is only because one is hypnotized?

Assuming you think that the last question is true, then do you think that every 'live unit' of every species on earth is hypnotized?

That seems to follow, doesn't it?

That is what the ancients seem to be saying.

I have no idea whether it is bad or good. If people like their hypnotic condition then they like it and will have no desire to get out of it. That was the theme of the movie MATRIX.

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AngeloV

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So if every species were not hypnotized wouldn't the earth be bereft of life since sex would not feel good?
 
People are 'fixated' on their 'private parts' for one and only one reason: because sex feels GOOD. Really GOOD. The urge to procreate is built into our DNA. It's not any more mysterious than that. However, if you want to consider that there is some outside force (spirit, thetan, being, whatever) that affects this drive, then you can come up with a million 'reasons' or 'considerations' about sex. All of them bullshit mental gibberish.

Have sex as often as you can with someone who you like and likes you. You will have a much happier life.

There are other reasons for people to be 'fixated' on 'private parts' other than sex feeling good,

Take L Ron Hubbard for instance, his 'fixated' on 'private parts' did not stem from sex feeling good, it stemmed from being sexually abused as a child.

It's painfully obvious that Hubbard was molested by his mentor Naval Psychoanalyst Commander "Snake" Thompson,

Seriously,

... The fake navy,
... The imaginary Evil- Psychs which are the root of all the world's problems,
... His need to escape into fantasies
... His compulsive lying
... His insatiable need for recognition and approval
... His creepy need to be surrounded with children,
... His emotional dysfunctionality,
... His inability to have a healthy relationship,
... His need to punish and torment those he had power over
... His over the top phobia of homosexuality

It all points to one thing, if you reread Dianetics it's pretty obvious it was written by a very troubled individual.
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
Why would an immortal being concern himself with survival anyway?

Because it's an interesting activity he's doing.. Living..

So why would Hubbard exert himself so much to persuade us that life is not worth it?

:yes:
I don't think that a being is immortal.

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Nor do I.. But it's a pivotal point in this.. IF a being, or a thetan, is immortal like Hubbard would have us believe, then this life is not very important really. We will have lived countless times before, and will live countless times again. In fact, as Hubbard explains, we would be much better off without a 'body' and not participating in this enless and pointless life and death cycle and 'babyfactory' that this planet and the physical universe is.. Well, he's saying that we're better off dead, to put it in plain english. (But that way of saying it won't sell Dianetics and Scientology!)

OR.. A being is mortal!

In which case this life is unique and all we have. And the urgency of staying alive becomes very logical. Needs to ensure survival becomes easily understandable.

:yes:
 

Kutta

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Some random thoughts that relate, I think, to this thread: Was LRH fixated on 'private parts'? Cos I don't recall reading anything he wrote about such things. Admittedly it is a looong time since I read any of his writings, and I have no intention of locating a DMSMH or anything else to check. I know I've read here on ESMB that LRH was uncomfortable speaking about sex in his taped lectures, that he steered clear of the topic. Which in itself begs a few questions, I guess, but not particularly unusual for that time and social climate.


Is it likely that excerpts from his writings that focus on 'private parts' have to be excavated from the far greater mass of other nonsense? - and the fact that they are highlighted among this community of critics, speaks more to our fixation than his? - our wish to unearth and publish and vilify the most heinous aspects of his character. But why would we pick on his sexual peccadilloes? Imo, there are worse qualities we could point to. It is true though that public castigation and wish to punish perpetrators of sexual misconduct is a very available and prominent button to push.

Some of his attitudes were of his milieux. eg homophobia. His lack of confidence in his sexual attractiveness and wish to 'slay' members of the female gender are pretty common even today.

His having young adolescent and pre-adolescent girls attend his intimate physical needs, imo, is the most suggestive of sexual fixation. It's interesting though, that he is not alone in this kind of practice. For example, Gandhi had young women attend his needs and sleep with him in his old age. I don't assume his needs were necessarily sexual, but sexual hangups have been attributed to Gandhi by his biographer, Erik Erickson.

More random thoughts> Just gonna throw this out there for the vultures to feed on :nervous: It's the male species of 'live units' that exhibit the most obvious fixation on private parts. Women don't often rape. Men often do as victors in war. They are anatomically designed to place a stake in the ground colonized by war. It's happening now in Libya apparently. It's probably a survival of the species thing. (You gotta be fixated on it, otherwise you'd spend all your time watching baseball or football, or drinking beer with your mates/buddies, or driving fast cars, your seed would be wasted, and mankind would disappear. :coolwink:)

Vinny seems to believe we should be able to see through these fixations and find something of value. So far in this thread, I would say the outlook is pretty bleak, the results are pretty much nada.
 

Vinaire

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Happiness

Ahhhh...the French.....

When Charles de Gaulle decided to retire from public life, the British ambassador and his wife threw a gala dinner party in his honour.

At the dinner table, the Ambassador's wife was talking with Madame de Gaulle:
"Your husband has been such a prominent public figure, such a presence on the French and international scene for so many years! How quiet retirement will seem in comparison?
What are you most looking forward to in these retirement years?"

"A penis," replied Madame de Gaulle.

A huge hush fell over the table. Everyone heard her answer...... and no one knew what to say next.

Le Grand Charles leaned over to his wife and said:
"Ma cherie, I believe ze English pronounce zat word, "appiness!''

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apocalyptic

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AngeloV: So do I understand you correctly that being hypnotized is bad? And you think it's possible that feeling good about sex is only because one is hypnotized?

Assuming you think that the last question is true, then do you think that every 'live unit' of every species on earth is hypnotized?


That seems to follow, doesn't it?

For you V, yes. Apparently so. At this time.

That is what the ancients seem to be saying.

To you V, yes. Apparently so. At this time.

I have no idea whether it is bad or good. If people like their hypnotic condition then they like it and will have no desire to get out of it. That was the theme of the movie MATRIX.

Matrix is the theme of the movie called Life.

You remind us of a director of a movie that forgot he was the director of a movie, and jumped up on stage and asked the audience if they thought the actors were real? And if so, why so? And how so? And when so? And where so?

While the real world of Spiritual Entertainment, was giving out Spiritual Oscars.

And for that, we award 'You', an Oscar Vinaire.

Apocalyptic

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LongTimeGone

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Re: Happiness

Ahhhh...the French.....

When Charles de Gaulle decided to retire from public life, the British ambassador and his wife threw a gala dinner party in his honour.

At the dinner table, the Ambassador's wife was talking with Madame de Gaulle:
"Your husband has been such a prominent public figure, such a presence on the French and international scene for so many years! How quiet retirement will seem in comparison?
What are you most looking forward to in these retirement years?"

"A penis," replied Madame de Gaulle.

A huge hush fell over the table. Everyone heard her answer...... and no one knew what to say next.

Le Grand Charles leaned over to his wife and said:
"Ma cherie, I believe ze English pronounce zat word, "appiness!''

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Thank you. :lol:

LTG
 

Kutta

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The terminator could not handle his private parts well.

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Very true. Also the boss of the UN monetary org. Aaah, the French indeed. Not only him/them, but also many other men in high and not so hight places.

As a mere female, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this.
 

LongTimeGone

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Very true. Also the boss of the UN monetary org. Aaah, the French indeed. Not only him/them, but also many other men in high and not so hight places.

As a mere female, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this.

I think it's pathetic and I simply don't understand what is essentially a total lack of control by men who should know better.

I'm speaking as a 60 year old male and perhaps I've forgotten what I was like when I was younger but I know what is important to my relationship with wife at the moment.

We all like looking at attractive things whether they are women, cars, boats, planes or even pretty exemplars of other species, but to totally disregard the trust another has in you, is hard to fathom.

It's novel how they are all full of regret and feel ashamed, but only after they have been caught out.

LTG
 

Vinaire

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Very true. Also the boss of the UN monetary org. Aaah, the French indeed. Not only him/them, but also many other men in high and not so hight places.

As a mere female, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about this.

I think that most females have fixed attention on private parts too but in a different way.

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VaD

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Man + Woman = The Whole

Men and women have attention on each other.

Women like men. Men like women.
- "Private parts" are included but relations between sexes are not limited to "private parts".

Fallos, and all "philosophizing" around it... Is it useful? Do you think you can get anything new out of it, Vinaire?
 

VaD

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Well, that is my effort to gauge and understand the hypnotic effect that the body carries with it.

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Ok, here is "the hypnotism". - One cannot exist without the Whole. The whole is what one belongs to, whether he's willing to admit or not.

For the Whole it takes at least TWO.

When you are alone, you may be "hypnotized" by another by his resemblance of the Whole to you (when you connect with him/her).

Stray cats and dogs are "hypnotized" by humans, just like humans are "hypnotized" by some philosophy and philosopher.

I guess it's that Law of Attraction at work.


Just some random thoughts for you, Vinaire, to consider and settle down a bit in your endless philosophical search.
 
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