A new Biography of the person who audited LRH on the "History of Man" incidents

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
SDM, you don't have to forward this on, but I'd prefer if you do. You can also point Perry to this post if you want. It's rare I get to confront a quack in person.

When he stated in that interview that he thinks Hubbard was on to something with Dianetics, my bozo filter's alarm went off. I realize that he's an invaluable primary source for the early days of Scientology, but I'm really pleased that people are cross checking him, because he's got some issues as a source.

To wit:



You all who've interacted with me know he's already on my shit list because he is NOT a doctor. His son is. He isn't. He's a physics crank pushing perpetual motion machines and a quack pushing bad medical advice in books and on a crappy quack website.

I would take everything that comes out of this man's piehole with a whole canister of Morton's.

Please tell him I think he's full of shit and ought to stop conning gullible people with chronic diseases out of their money. If I ever get the chance, I'll tell him that to his face.



and rest assured one and all - Udarnik will do what he promises!!
 

SanDiegoMember

Howard Dickman
SDM, you don't have to forward this on, but I'd prefer if you do. You can also point Perry to this post if you want. It's rare I get to confront a quack in person.

When he stated in that interview that he thinks Hubbard was on to something with Dianetics, my bozo filter's alarm went off. I realize that he's an invaluable primary source for the early days of Scientology, but I'm really pleased that people are cross checking him, because he's got some issues as a source.

To wit:



You all who've interacted with me know he's already on my shit list because he is NOT a doctor. His son is. He isn't. He's a physics crank pushing perpetual motion machines and a quack pushing bad medical advice in books and on a crappy quack website.

I would take everything that comes out of this man's piehole with a whole canister of Morton's.

Please tell him I think he's full of shit and ought to stop conning gullible people with chronic diseases out of their money. If I ever get the chance, I'll tell him that to his face.


First off are you medically trained so as to proffer you opinion of the Foundation?

I have a RN BSN that I will have look into what has been written about in the Foundation that Perry runs. This will take some time as there is a lot of material to go through.

Here is a site that talks a bit about one of the founding Dr's of the Foundation - http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/3373.html

In the mean time here is the site that tells of the history of the Foundation - History of The Roger Wyburn-Mason and Jack M. Blount Foundation for Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease (a.k.a., The Arthritis Trust of America or The Rheumatoid Disease Foundation) http://www.townsendletter.com/May2008/arthritisfound0508.htm




 

BunnySkull

Silver Meritorious Patron
First off are you medically trained so as to proffer you opinion of the Foundation?

I have a RN BSN that I will have look into what has been written about in the Foundation that Perry runs. This will take some time as there is a lot of material to go through.

Here is a site that talks a bit about one of the founding Dr's of the Foundation - http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/3373.html

In the mean time here is the site that tells of the history of the Foundation - History of The Roger Wyburn-Mason and Jack M. Blount Foundation for Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease (a.k.a., The Arthritis Trust of America or The Rheumatoid Disease Foundation) http://www.townsendletter.com/May2008/arthritisfound0508.htm


You're kidding right? This is propaganda writing by Perry himself.

He's a shady con man. He's using a terribly painful disease to line his pocket. I know you might love the idea of a scoop but you really need to consider your source, his credibility is about as good as Hubbard's. Like Hubbard he's a liar , conman and a quack who takes money from desperate or good hearted people to enrich himself.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised he was close to Hubbard for years, he learned at the feet of a master conman.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Howard, did you know this? That his foundation website shows their board members and one of them happens to be an active scientologist and promoter of Narconon?

PAUL JACONELLO, M.D., C.T.
(www.jaconello.com)
Canadian Board Member
http://arthritistrust.org/directors/

Paul Jaconello in Scientology's Published Service Completion Lists
The following 17 individual completions for Paul Jaconello appear in official Scientology publications:
Last 2 listings of services:
Paul Jaconello PROFESSION INTENSIVE Source 216 2011-08-01
Paul Jaconello NEW OT IV OT DRUG RUNDOWN Source 216 2011-08-01
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/p/paul-jaconello.html

http://www.jaconello.com/dr-jaconello

"As a medical doctor who has examined many Narconon clients over the years, I have had a unique opportunity to observe the workability of this program. I am stating without reservation that the Narconon Program offers the best chance of full recovery for those who have abused drugs or alcohol. The total drug free approach makes the program unique in its field.”
- Dr. Paul Jaconello, MD
http://www.narcononflorida.org/our-program/


As a medical doctor who has examined many Narconon clients over the years, I have had a unique opportunity to observe the workability of this program.

Several of these former clients have continued to see me as their personal physician, so I have been able to regularly monitor their conditions over the years since the completion of their treatments.

I can state without reservation that the Narconon program offers the best chance of full recovery for those who have abused drugs or Alcohol. The totally drug-free approach and use of sauna and nutritional supplements to detoxify the person from tissue accumulation of drugs and toxins make the program unique in its field."

"I urge that continuing support be given to this most worthwhile rehabilitation service."

Paul Jaconello, M.D.
http://www.theroadout.org/the_narco...on_program/narconon_program_endorsements.html

Narconon's individual supporters
Paul Jaconello, M.D.
Dr. Jaconello, a Toronto physician, is a Scientologist; according to the Toronto Star, he offers the Purification Rundown to non-Scientologist patients for $250,000 a time ["Scientology 'purification' rite used by anti-addiction centres", Toronto Star, 14 June 1986]. This is hardly compatible with an unbiased assessment of the programme.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/individuals.htm
 

Student of Trinity

Silver Meritorious Patron
Paul Jaconello said:
I have had a unique opportunity to observe the workability of this program.

What is it with Scientologists and the term "workable"? Don't they notice that no-one else uses the term as much as they do, or in the same way? How can they not realize how weaselly "workable" sounds? It's just so obvious that the only reason they don't simply say, "It works!" is so that when someone points to a case where it doesn't work, they can say, "Oh, I only said that it's workable."

Who would buy a car of which the best that could be said was that it was workable? Who wants a workable phone? A workable toaster? Yet Hubbard's boldest claim was to say that his 'tech' was "uniformly workable", baldly and brazenly claiming that it always might work. As a smirking bamboozlement of the lexically limited masses, that's right up there with, "This way to the Egress!" — the famous sign with which P.T. Barnum pulled audiences quickly through his sideshow by signing the exit as if it were a star attraction.

I guess it's a way to break up one big cognitive dissonance into two smaller chunks that are easier to manage. Instead of having to believe that the 'tech' really works, Scientologists can believe the milder claim that the 'tech' is "workable", and then believe that "workability" is as good as actually working.
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
First off are you medically trained so as to proffer you opinion of the Foundation?

I have a RN BSN that I will have look into what has been written about in the Foundation that Perry runs. This will take some time as there is a lot of material to go through.

Here is a site that talks a bit about one of the founding Dr's of the Foundation - http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/3373.html

In the mean time here is the site that tells of the history of the Foundation - History of The Roger Wyburn-Mason and Jack M. Blount Foundation for Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease (a.k.a., The Arthritis Trust of America or The Rheumatoid Disease Foundation) http://www.townsendletter.com/May2008/arthritisfound0508.htm


I've written extensively on Rheumatoid Arthritis in another thread. I currently am a Medical Director at a contract research organization that runs large safety studies in various chronic diseases, including Rheumatoid Arthritis. Protein drugs have their own set of risks aside from the synthetic chemical pills that most people are used to, and almost all the recent entrants in the RA market are proteins or monoclonal antibodies. My company is partially responsible for the studies that comprise the Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategy for a recent entrant into the RA market. It's not the most recent entry, but it's new enough that the FDA is very concerned about safety, given the lack of long term data. I have been working in the area of auto-immune disease, for over a decade and a half, as a medical affairs specialist, a clinical researcher, and as a commercial analyst.

tl; dr version - Yes, I know what I'm talking about when I call him a quack, and in the sphere of RA, despite the fact that I hold a Ph.D. and not an MD, I'm confident I know more than the average GP with an MD degree when it comes to the etiology of Rheumatoid Disease. That's NOT true in other areas of medicine, but this dude not only happened to trip my quack meter, he did it in the area of medicine I've devoted the bulk of my professional career to serving.

And as a non-medical aside - this dude has earned a place in the America's Worst Charities website. That is Not Good, not matter how you slice it.
 

Elronius of Marcabia

Silver Meritorious Patron
What is it with Scientologists and the term "workable"? Don't they notice that no-one else uses the term as much as they do, or in the same way? How can they not realize how weaselly "workable" sounds? It's just so obvious that the only reason they don't simply say, "It works!" is so that when someone points to a case where it doesn't work, they can say, "Oh, I only said that it's workable."

Who would buy a car of which the best that could be said was that it was workable? Who wants a workable phone? A workable toaster? Yet Hubbard's boldest claim was to say that his 'tech' was "uniformly workable", baldly and brazenly claiming that it always might work. As a smirking bamboozlement of the lexically limited masses, that's right up there with, "This way to the Egress!" — the famous sign with which P.T. Barnum pulled audiences quickly through his sideshow by signing the exit as if it were a star attraction.

I guess it's a way to break up one big cognitive dissonance into two smaller chunks that are easier to manage. Instead of having to believe that the 'tech' really works, Scientologists can believe the milder claim that the 'tech' is "workable", and then believe that "workability" is as good as actually working.

:thumbsup: In construction we called em wiggle words, kinda like if I build you a wall it might be straight and it might be plumb but it is "workable" wiggle wiggle :yes:
means something crooked is about to be built :omg:
 

SanDiegoMember

Howard Dickman
This does not jive with a story I heard from Robert Sewell. He was an old timer I met back in the late 70's - he passed away from some sort of intestinal blockage. He told me that he was the one that introduced Mary Sue to Hubbard. If I recall correctly, Bob was dating her and took her by the org to get her interested in Scientology and when Ron set eyes on her, well, the rest is history.

Mimsey

Mimsey;

Here is what Perry wrote about what you posted;

"I was there. I worked also for Ross Lameroux who was in charge of processing. Ross was extremely close to Hubbard. Hubbard used Ross as would a close friend, telling all between each other. Ross was a close friend of mine and told me everything Hubbard passed on to him.

Ross said he sent Mary Sue over to Ron. They begin sleeping together.

I know nothing other than what Ross told me and my observation that Mary Sue now lived with Ron.

I know of fact that no one was dating Mary Sue. She was a lonely, somewhat depressed 17 year old at the time."
 

Boojuum

Silver Meritorious Patron
I think this guy provides an excellent flavor of the good old days, telling it like he remembers it. I find it interesting that his income is controversial. I think most of us are trying to make sense of LRH and his methods and writings. This guy is a bit of a treasure.
 
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