PirateAndBum
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I'm pretty sure it is a joke. But you do have a point about DM being all alone. Sheesh poor guy, how does he handle all that telex traffic or have they come up to present time and use email now?
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Yes, there is case gain available. Mileage varies, but proper preparation is a major facilitator.
Neither belief nor acceptance are required. Actually running the stuff is.
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Here's the new COS business structure:
Most don't spin. A few do. Maybe a tech maven could
make a write up that informs people and won't put a few in a spin.
Promoting these levels can only be justified as a way of coaxing those still mesmerized by the Xenu Bridge to exit Scientology Inc., beyond that, promoting these levels is irresponsible.
And it makes a mockery of the basic activity (English language word) known as "auditing."
I don't understand how you folks don't go nuts from the cognitive dissonance that'd be required to break with the church and still believe this crap.
Most don't spin. A few do. Maybe a tech maven could
make a write up that informs people and won't put a few in a spin.
Scientology is a "black" and "white" combo operation.
"Black" and "white" as in lacquer and solvent: makes glue.
Some are immune from the glue effect; some are not.
IMO, the true lasting personal benefit comes from separating the solvent from the lacquer in the Scientology mind-trap.
Until then it's subtle psychological overwhelm.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=56155&postcount=46
ugh I'll leave this to the real ex-sci's. I don't understand how you folks don't go nuts from the cognitive dissonance that'd be required to break with the church and still believe this crap.
The bits that worked don't work for the reason you think they do, and they most certainly don't make this "tech" anything less than a con. He cribbed the whole thing, kit and caboodle from a Russian brainwashing manual!Thanks. It is quite easy to be in my shoes I can assure you. Some, a lot in fact, of Scn worked for me. That some bits didn't doesn't make it all wrong.
The bits that worked don't work for the reason you think they do,...
I wouldn't call it a religious philosophy. People are seen as spiritual beings but nothing addresses how a person becomes closer to God, only how a person becomes more "OT". There is no prayer or meditation. I think that it should be called a philosophy.
RL
The reason originally presented for inviting a person to open his mind to the bad science fiction of the Clearing Course, OT 2 and OT 3 was that these would remove the final barrier to Full OT.
It's been 40 years since the release of OT 3.
Been to a gathering of Ron's Orgs people, Standard tech Freezone people, or Scientology Inc. "OTs"? What do you see?
Do you see full OTs?
Anything worthwhile actually achieved with these psychological-hook-embedded levels can be achieved, without the psychological-hooks, by other means.
Promoting these levels can only be justified as a way of coaxing those still mesmerized by the Xenu Bridge to exit Scientology Inc., beyond that, promoting these levels is irresponsible.
And it makes a mockery of the basic activity (English language word) known as "auditing."
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=29401&postcount=8
The information on the OT levels is all written in the Jehovah's witness handbook.
Hate to tell you, but it has only been "a secret" in the Scientology community.
I didn't "believe in" Hubbard when I was "in". I certainly haven't become more accepting of his statements since I left.
There is much more to scientology than the "ot levels". Personally I regard people fixated on such things as "simple", and not in a "good" way.
It's truly a matter of not seeing the forest because the trees are in the way.
It amuses me that the two groups most inclined to accept completely every literal word of Hubbard's as a definitive statement are the "rondroids" & the "clambakers".
The "rondroids" take ALL of Hubbard's material as the "TRUTH, the WHOLE TRUTH, and NOTHING but the TRUTH!
The "clambakers" take Hubbard's material as wholly intended to destroy others for his own PERSONAL GAIN!!!
Both attitudes are a bit "fixated".
Good luck finding your "full ots", Veda.
Personally, I doubt you'ld even know one if by chance you should meet one. No doubt you'ld ask him to perform a few "tricks" for you.
Mark A. Baker