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A sickness on this board.

There is a sickness on this board. It is a mental weakness that affects some of the posters here.

Some of it stems from still maintaining a Scientology world view even though they have left the cult.

The major symptom of this mental weakness is when a person believes that they know the answers to what is really going on in the world and that they are one of the few that really see it and understand it.

They know it all. They are experts on any subject they think about.

They know that the major events in the world today are brought on by conspiracies.

They know that Obama wasn’t born in the United States because they know his birth certificate is a forgery.

They know the U.S. government brought down the World Trade Center on 9/11 with controlled explosives.

They know that the “official version” is always a lie.

They know that we are living in a police state.

They know Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 and they know that the U.S. Seals did not recently kill him.

They know that the New World Order is dropping poison chemicals on American citizens.

They know all these things and they know things that the rest of us poor mere human sheep don’t know.

Many times I’ve battled with these people on threads, mostly for fun.

At first, I thought it was just poor and silly reasoning on their parts.

But it isn’t fun anymore, because it seems apparent now that it is a mental weakness that is afflicting these people.

Skepticism is healthy. But these people are not just skeptical.

They are obsessed and fanatical that the world exists as they see it in their minds.

The kindest thing I can is that their paranoid obsession is a remnant of their time in Scientology.

But I think perhaps it is also because some of them find themselves old and alone and having to deal with the humbling fact that they were members of a cult.

Some of them through the best years of their lives.

So they display their madness here, where they will find a sympathetic audience.

They have my sympathy. It is very, very, sad situation indeed.

We all have baggage, from the cult, and from life in general.

But we are not doing them any favors humoring their insanity by labeling it as just another viewpoint.

It is time we try and help these people and try to ease them back into the real world.

I know I will be criticized for saying something out loud that many of us realize quietly.

But they won’t wake up from their nightmare if we let them sleep.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
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Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
I think there is some truth in what you've posted TAJ, but I must add that the WORST conspiracy nutjob I've ever come across on ESMB was never in Scientology.

You don't have to have been in a cult to be a nutjob.

Some Ex culties are easy to influence with conspiracy based nuttiness though. I've noticed this myself.

OTOH, Other exes are now very alert to nuttiness/conspiracy theories etc as they have well & truly learned a lesson.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
There is a very effective counter-intelligence move that I'll call;

'Black noising the white noise.'

Let's take a totally fantastic scenario to illustrate this; Lets say there are ufo's from all over the galaxy invading us. The Guvment is in on it. Just like the Next Generation Star Trek episode.

What would you do if your were the aliens, and you didn't want to be discovered too soon, while you consolidated your power base?

You wouldn't try to directly discredit the reports that something strange was going on, that would just fuel that fire. What you would do is dump more reports of the same nature into the mix, trying to discredit the valid reports.

Oh, yeah! there are ufos! As a matter of fact, they are all green amazon woman, and they abducted me and made me their slave up in space for a few days!

You would promote laughing at anyone who took these kind of reports seriously. What fools!

You would bury any reports of your black activities under a mountain of 'white noise', hoping that by the time anyone figured out what you were doing, it would be too late.

I'm saying that this same technique, except with real scenarios used, is what's being done to us right now.

Comments?
 

Outethicsofficer

Silver Meritorious Patron
I find it is indeed humbling to realise I was conned for a quarter of a century, so now I don't give advice without first giving out a cautionary note: "This advice comes from someone who was caught up in a cult for 25 years and is therefore to be treated as being highly suspect." That way if anyone takes my advice they have only themsleves to look to if it doesn't work out, actually I avoid giving advice if I can possibly do so.

Further, I treat my decisions as being somewhat suspect, and why wouldn't I? I need only look at the 25 years of being in a cult and never knowing it until 2009 for the answer to that question!

As for trying to wake up those you mention in your post, good luck! I doubt they want any intervention from anyone, they do not have any effect on me and nor, I suspect, do I on them. They can be let be as far as I am concerned, and exactly who are we to say they should be pulled from their 'nightmare'?

Corporate Scientology and all of it's abuses by far warrants our attention than do a few who have not yet, if ever will, become free of the type of thinking you so adequately describe in your OP.

Cheers
James


Caution:
"This advice comes from someone who was caught up in a cult for 25 years and is therefore to be treated as being highly suspect.":coolwink:
 
I think there is some truth in what you've posted TAJ, but I must add that the WORST conspiracy nutjob I've ever come across on ESMB was never in Scientology.

You don't have to have been in a cult to be a nutjob.

Some Ex culties are easy to influence with conspiracy based nuttiness though. I've noticed this myself.

OTOH, Other exes are now very alert to nuttiness/conspiracy theories etc as they have well & truly learned a lesson.

I agree. You don't have to be a scientologist to be fucked in the head but it helps - a lot sometimes.
 
Levels.
Can communicate with anyone about anything -and knows more than you.

Can recognise problems and make them vanish - and knows that you are a wog and therefore a problem.

Can do some other thing i have forgotten... hostilities of life? euphemism for evil doing? and knows how bad you are.

Can win the always right game because he is more right than Mr/s always right. And knows more than everybody and knows that evryone elses opinions about this are wrong.

Is now,... what do you fucking know? A Bloody Clear. And knows that all knowledge is determined by his Holy Clearness. Can "grant beingness" to all humanity because they can't help not knowing what Mr/s Clear knows. Cos they got banks.


OT levels Ability gained.= can now graduate to really fat cash cow with milk of pure stupidity. Knows that s/he can do fancy tricks. You can't criticise. You are still human. Humans don't know shit!

Higher OT levels. Knows that BTs have ruled, and that he who rules the BTs rules the world and the universes, including the knowledge universe because it's green and red on white. And Ron said. So there. Go fuck yourself if you can't duplicate what is real in my universe. Are you on lines? Are you declared?

Mental weakness. Feeblemindedness from having your intellect put through a blender.
 

clamicide

Gold Meritorious Patron
I think there is some truth in what you've posted TAJ, but I must add that the WORST conspiracy nutjob I've ever come across on ESMB was never in Scientology.

You don't have to have been in a cult to be a nutjob.

Some Ex culties are easy to influence with conspiracy based nuttiness though. I've noticed this myself.

OTOH, Other exes are now very alert to nuttiness/conspiracy theories etc as they have well & truly learned a lesson.

Yeah....I think it all depends. Luckily I had a totally brill ex-cult counselor, and he mentioned how many of the exes he knew now had a bullshit detector that went up to 11....result of being in/and now out of the cult. And I don't think all exes who are there really advertise and call it out. Hell, if I spent all my time doing that, I'd drop... not saying that I'm 100% able to sniff everything out. Just don't have the energy or time (or them awesome OT Powerz)--but, boy...have I saved some folk from some crazy batshit stuff that had nothing to do with the cult simply from have been in the cult. Not saying someone couldn't fuck me over again...but, I'm more wary than I was, even if those I deal with don't always realize it. Funny thing is, I'm much more open with, and to people since I've been out. Sounds like an odd contradiction, but it's absolutely true.
 

TheRealNoUser

Patron with Honors
Anyone who formats all their sentences as paragraphs is a Draco Reptilian. This is well documented and is a dead giveaway. Obviously an attempt of subversive distraction is going on here.

:tease:
 
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... The kindest thing I can is that their paranoid obsession is a remnant of their time in Scientology. ...

I don't agree with this point that I've excerpted, TAJ. My reason is simple. Back when I was 'in', I saw many recent members in the church who already were long in possession of similar mental attitudes. Accordingly, I'm rather of the view that cult membership itself often appeals to such individuals as it is in keeping with their character. Hence the relatively high prevalence of such attituds among cult members and among those who leave cults.

Not all who were drawn for a time to involvement with a cult such as the Co$, necessarily share these traits. But those who are themselves possessed of such traits often find cults to be a fitting place for expression of their own obsessive attitudes.

Basically, I think you have stated the matter as 'the cart before the horse'.


Mark A. Baker
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Originally posted by Rmack

Let's take a totally fantastic scenario to illustrate this; Lets say there are ufo's from all over the galaxy invading us. The Guvment is in on it. Just like the Next Generation Star Trek episode.

What would you do if your were the aliens, and you didn't want to be discovered too soon, while you consolidated your power base?

You wouldn't try to directly discredit the reports that something strange was going on, that would just fuel that fire. What you would do is dump more reports of the same nature into the mix, trying to discredit the valid reports.

Oh, yeah! there are ufos! As a matter of fact, they are all green amazon woman, and they abducted me and made me their slave up in space for a few days!

You would promote laughing at anyone who took these kind of reports seriously. What fools!
:laugh: :brow:


Outethicsofficer

As for trying to wake up those you mention in your post, good luck! I doubt they want any intervention from anyone, they do not have any effect on me and nor, I suspect, do I on them. They can be let be as far as I am concerned, and exactly who are we to say they should be pulled from their 'nightmare'?

I was the way I am before Scientology. :biggrin:


TheRealNoUser

Anyone who formats their all their sentences as paragraphs is a Draco Reptilian. This is well documented and is a dead giveaway. Obviously an attempt of subversive distraction is going on here.

And I can verify this ^^^^^^^^^^^

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Atcause

Patron
What's good about an Internet message board is also what is bad.

The good: anyone with a computer and an Internet connection can log on and speak their mind.

The bad: *anyone* with a computer and an Internet connection can log on and speak their mind, including those just let out of a mental hospital. ( or those that need to go to one ).

AC
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
There is a sickness on this board. It is a mental weakness that affects some of the posters here.

Some of it stems from still maintaining a Scientology world view even though they have left the cult.

The major symptom of this mental weakness is when a person believes that they know the answers to what is really going on in the world and that they are one of the few that really see it and understand it.

They know it all. They are experts on any subject they think about.

They know that the major events in the world today are brought on by conspiracies.

They know that Obama wasn’t born in the United States because they know his birth certificate is a forgery.

They know the U.S. government brought down the World Trade Center on 9/11 with controlled explosives.

They know that the “official version” is always a lie.

They know that we are living in a police state.

They know Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 and they know that the U.S. Seals did not recently kill him.

They know that the New World Order is dropping poison chemicals on American citizens.

They know all these things and they know things that the rest of us poor mere human sheep don’t know.

Many times I’ve battled with these people on threads, mostly for fun.

At first, I thought it was just poor and silly reasoning on their parts.

But it isn’t fun anymore, because it seems apparent now that it is a mental weakness that is afflicting these people.

Skepticism is healthy. But these people are not just skeptical.

They are obsessed and fanatical that the world exists as they see it in their minds.

The kindest thing I can is that their paranoid obsession is a remnant of their time in Scientology.

But I think perhaps it is also because some of them find themselves old and alone and having to deal with the humbling fact that they were members of a cult.

Some of them through the best years of their lives.

So they display their madness here, where they will find a sympathetic audience.

They have my sympathy. It is very, very, sad situation indeed.

We all have baggage, from the cult, and from life in general.

But we are not doing them any favors humoring their insanity by labeling it as just another viewpoint.

It is time we try and help these people and try to ease them back into the real world.

I know I will be criticized for saying something out loud that many of us realize quietly.

But they won’t wake up from their nightmare if we let them sleep.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Great post :yes:

Love
Markus
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
We must make them understand that chemtrails are simply waterwapor!

Those who still don't get it... Well, we could strip 'em naked and toss 'em into molten lava pits?

:unsure:
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
What's good about an Internet message board is also what is bad.

The good: anyone with a computer and an Internet connection can log on and speak their mind.

The bad: *anyone* with a computer and an Internet connection can log on and speak their mind, including those just let out of a mental hospital. ( or those that need to go to one ).

AC

Would it be OK if I speak 'your' mind

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No one has been replying to my posts recently. I'll have to have you all over for dinner sometime..

HL
 
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Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
Now I'm curious. Could you - and also Anabaptist - provide a list of those you regard as sick. I could then put them on ignore and save a lot of time.

Veda, I'm sure that I am a founding member of this group. And now that you, TG1, PurpleRain and maybe others have recently questioned the authority of TSA (and disagreed with TAJ) you may have joined me. :coolwink:

Good thing as i was getting lonely. :whistling:
 
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