A test of whole track recall

[Elronius of Marcabia]

Let's face it, this whole 'Clear/OT' business is nothing but a game of eternal whack-a-mole, and that's just the way Hubbard planned it. You think you've nailed it, but then...

Following on from that it now seems to me that the whole of scientology was one continual whack-a-mole game.

yeah Strat I'm afraid we were Charlie Brown to Hubbards Lucy and "Clear" was the football

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RghziC5GME

 

[strativarius]

yeah Strat I'm afraid we were Charlie Brown to Hubbards Lucy and "Clear" was the football

LOL! Yes, that's another way of looking at it.

I never was the sharpest tool in the box, but whenever a moment of doubt crossed my mind or something just didn't seem right to me I immediately dismissed it. I put my trust in Hubbard and believed everyone else should do likewise. What a sucker!

 

[Elronius of Marcabia]

LOL! Yes, that's another way of looking at it.

I never was the sharpest tool in the box, but whenever a moment of doubt crossed my mind or something just didn't seem right to me I immediately dismissed it. I put my trust in Hubbard and believed everyone else should do likewise. What a sucker!

Yep I'm afraid so was I oh well live and and learn.

Btw I don't think it was "Clear" we were suckered in by it "PreClear" which makes me wonder how
can a "natual clear" be suckered into that, oh yeah I fergot "PreOt"

Football anyone ?

 

[Gizmo]

On " gains " . . . I'll skip WTF was the gain in " going clear ". I mean, WTF changed ?

I knew a few people who " attested " to " natural clear " & they were among the strangest 'd ever known & that was long before they attested !

I've known VERY well some people who had power & power plus & know for a fact there was no one itoa difference in 'em before & after power processes.

Same for ot3. Knew 'em before, knew 'em after - no damn difference ( well, except they seemed confused )

Oh, move to ot 7. OK, I've seen my PC's do natural clear, last lifetime clear, & dianetic clear with NO CHANGE. These are people I audited so - at the time - I knew 'em pretty well.

Now for ot 3 & 7. OK my observation is on people I audited before they did 3 ot 7. Again, more than casual observation & NO CHANGE

OK, for the bigggie, ta da ! The L's !

Well, I know a bunch of people that did all 3 L's, & so help me God, each swears miracles BUT observing them & their life ? NO CHANGE

As an ot7 did I ( back then ) believe I had achieved the grade chart ep of " cause over life " ? Yeah. But it ain't true IRL !

Neither was " freedom from overwhelm " after ot3 true.

Oh, gee, let's take grade zero, oh let it go at " ability to communicate ". There is NOT ONE SCIENTOLOGIST THAT WITHIN THE CHURCH WILL HONESTLY COMMUNICATE EVEN TO THEIR SPOUSE !

So much for that one, too.

OK, what that scn promises does it deliver ?

 

[phenomanon]

Was the clear cog stated exactly or nearly so by all who went clear?
After my NED interneship I was admin and had no experience of
what people stated as cognitions re Clear. If indeed all stated the same
cog without being fed that is interesting data.


"Originally Posted by phenomanon

I did it in 1969 and the exact words of the 'cognition' were required.
I didn't know that every single person had to express the same wording until I did folder studies and the Cl8 course."

What word don't you understand?

Yes, Terrill. Every single person said the exact same phrase in exactly the same words. "Mocking It UP" were the precise words required.
That doesn't mean that every one who said the words realized that 'mocking it up' was/is a 'cognition'. Some people kept on with the CC even after they uttered those words. In my own case, I was disgusted with the Clearing Course and said "I am just mocking this up in protest. I already knew I was mocking it up. I had known it since 1952 when I blew out of it. I thought everyone who went to the Congresses in 55/56,the Clearing Congress, the Clean Hands Congress...etc etc etc knew that the reactive mind was being mocked up. ( by himself and others).
The answer to your question is "Yes". The exact "cognition" has to be expressed by every single "Clear".
Haven't you ever read PC folders where the CC cog is circled by an FESr( folder error summary)?

 

[phenomanon]

Was the clear cog stated exactly or nearly so by all who went clear?
After my NED interneship I was admin and had no experience of
what people stated as cognitions re Clear. If indeed all stated the same
cog without being fed that is interesting data.


"Originally Posted by phenomanon

I did it in 1969 and the exact words of the 'cognition' were required.
I didn't know that every single person had to express the same wording until I did folder studies and the Cl8 course."

What word don't you understand?
Yes, Terrill. Every single person said the exact same phrase in exactly the same words. "Mocking It UP" were the precise words required.
That doesn't mean that every one who said the words realized that 'mocking it up' was/is a 'cognition'. Some people kept on with the CC even after they uttered those words. In my own case, I was disgusted with the Clearing Course and said "I am just mocking this up in protest. I already knew I was mocking it up. I had known it since 1952 when I blew out of it. I thought everyone who went to the Congresses in 55/56,the Clearing Congress, the Clean Hands Congress...etc etc etc knew that the reactive mind was being mocked up. ( by himself and others).
The answer to your question is "Yes". The exact "cognition" has to be expressed by every single "Clear".
Haven't you ever read PC folders where the CC cog is circled by an FESr( folder error summary)?

 

[Operating DB]

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I actually thought of doing that. And writing in fake new lyrics just like your hilarious post suggests. . .

You made me curious what happened to our Grade 7 on the 7th day of Christmas. . .


On the eighth day of Christmas,
my true love sent to me
Eight maids a-milking,
Seven swans a-swimming,
Six geese a-laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French hens,
Two turtle doves,
And a partridge in a pear tree.




ps: For Scientology we might have to re-tool the lyrics a bit, to be consistent with the scientific discoveries from Ron's wholetrack research.


On the 36th Day of [STRIKE]Christmas[/STRIKE] MentalMass-----

My Xenu gave to me...
36 days of implants
35 cherubs trumpeting
34 h-bombs dropping
33 volcanos erupting
32 BTs driving up your tech estimate
31 regges regging
30 ....etc.........​

You just jogged my memory on a J&D we used to do back in my early cult days. We would wish each other a Merry MentalMass during the holiday season. We were a Mission at the time and didn't have that heavy Ethics crap at the time which means it was perfectly normal and acceptable to makes jokes like that. Thanks for jogging that memory from the "good ol' days".

 

[phenomanon]

I attested natural clear validated twice at St Hill and went
on to do OT levels successfully.

So I have no subjective reality on the clear cog and no
knowledge of how this has been handled in COS. Which is
why |I'm masking.

In the FZ if you say that you are CLear, is that all you need to do to attest and go on to upper levels?
Is there some other criteria in the FZ for 'attesting' to the state of clear? :confused2:

 

[Operating DB]

I know two people who had very little auditing while in the CofS but since they left they've both decided they were past life Clears. So now they are very happy with their new status.

When I was in the CofS I knew a guy who had received very little auditing but kept insisting he was Clear so eventually he went to Saint Hill and persuaded them to let him attest to it. Later he decided he wasn't Clear so he went back and de-attested to Clear. Then he decided he was Cleared Theta Clear but they wouldn't let him attest to that so he left and went to see a psychiatrist who put him on Prozac.

Clear? I would like to attest to the fact I now realise Hubbard was mocking it up.

Oh god, LOL, that second paragraph sounds like a classic joke:

Did'ya hear the one about the guy who went Clear? When I was in the CofS I knew a guy who had received very little auditing but kept insisting he was Clear so eventually he went to Saint Hill and persuaded them to let him attest to it. Later he decided he wasn't Clear so he went back and de-attested to Clear. Then he decided he was Cleared Theta Clear but they wouldn't let him attest to that so.....
(punchline)...he left and went to see a psychiatrist who put him on Prozac.

 

[phenomanon]

I've always wondered what the corresponding thing was for natural clears. What did naturals have to say to be allowed to attest? Were there any guidelines there? Or could just anybody at all say they were natural clear? (That was how it seemed to me at the time.)

THe "Natural" Clear was a person who had aAlways Been Clear. LRH said that such was very rare.
In PAC's HGCs we had dozens of people coming in and saying they were some kind of Clear. There were 3 or 4 categories of these assertions.
One of them was Natural ( always been), Past life ( clear from past life auditing), and Dianetic clear ( went Clear in Dianetic auditing). The 4th category would be your Clearing Course Clear.
There would be precise auditing procedure for each category of 'Clear".
For those who asserted "Natural Clear" as they told the auditor that they were one, they would have to present with a Floating Tone Arm ( on the emeter) along with their statement. Also, the VVGIs expected.

SIGh.
i've got all that Clear stuff in my archives. I guess i'm gonna have to learn how to scan this doodoo.

 

[phenomanon]

I've always wondered what the corresponding thing was for natural clears. What did naturals have to say to be allowed to attest? Were there any guidelines there? Or could just anybody at all say they were natural clear? (That was how it seemed to me at the time.)

There were different steps in the tech for handling the "new breakthrus" re clear in 1978
In PACs HGCs the crush of people coming in saying that they thought they were clear were given 'clear DofP interviews, and sent on to Examiner. Shortly, new procedure was issued called a ".Dianetic Clear special Intensive". The last procedure that I recall delivering was the CCRD, or clear certainty rundown.
Each of these procedures was designed to weed out some of the people who ( it was adjudicated) had not attained the state of clear.
When the new craze started, some scn'ists went out on the street and body routed people in to attest to clear.
It was insane.

 

[phenomanon]

What did your power setups consist of in 1969? I know a little before that they just used to rehab 0-IV.

I remember well that Power cost a flat $1200.00 when I bought it. That could have been at half price for staff. I don't recall.
What I do recall is that I spent exactly 12 minutes in Power and Power Plus. Amounting to 100 $$$ a minute.
I think set-ups only consisted of flying ruds.

 

[phenomanon]

Well, I can't tell you specifically since I was like an HQS grad or maybe HDAC. I think perhaps a green form, some random dianetics? It was in fall of 69 so I think the class 8's were back, so maybe some series of processes from the class 8 C/S HCOB 12 AUG 69 CASE SUPERVISOR ACTIONS (confidential) It was a list of different remidies that the c/s would give to his/her auditors to perform on the PC

Here is a link to it: http://archives.1wise.es/scientolog...i-secrets-1969/CoS-Auditor-Class-VIII-C-S.pdf

Mimsey

I did Power-Power+ in February, 1969 . I paid $1200. for 12 minutes of auditing. My set-ups consisted of flying 3 ruds.

I came out of session babbling about butterflies and freezing. David Aldrich gave me his jacket while I waited in Reception for Examiner.

 

[wigee1]

What word don't you understand?

Yes, Terrill. Every single person said the exact same phrase in exactly the same words. "Mocking It UP" were the precise words required.
That doesn't mean that every one who said the words realized that 'mocking it up' was/is a 'cognition'. Some people kept on with the CC even after they uttered those words. In my own case, I was disgusted with the Clearing Course and said "I am just mocking this up in protest. I already knew I was mocking it up. I had known it since 1952 when I blew out of it. I thought everyone who went to the Congresses in 55/56,the Clearing Congress, the Clean Hands Congress...etc etc etc knew that the reactive mind was being mocked up. ( by himself and others).
The answer to your question is "Yes". The exact "cognition" has to be expressed by every single "Clear".
Haven't you ever read PC folders where the CC cog is circled by an FESr( folder error summary)?

Phenomanon,
No not every one , I never did , I had done ARC straightwire , and it blew me out of my scull, I then had some Auditing after and had trouble , I just thought this is fantastic stuff , and looking forward to the OT levels, So a repair action was done ??? think it was a Geen Form #950067354, On it
was have you gone past"Clear", I wasnt thinking of Clear , but new I had the Traits of OT ness Certainly displayed it. Now shortly after the changes came down from above , and I counted 90 Tech changes all around Clear, that week.... SO #! I never Talked about clear , didnt accept Past life , Natural clear, All clear , Moon clear, But observed others that did,Even when the C/s Acknowledged somehow I had , It was more like go the Examiner and attest (The C?S I think it was Martin Bently )I never said the Clear cog,I was on staff so it was easy to see something had changed with me , Even at the Success story I never mentioned Clear,Even Today I couldnt come up with the cog if I tried, yet I got a Certificate # 160 I think and bought a wonderful bracelet.

Then left thinking #160 in the whole World , carnt be Right.
Whats worse, was the Auditing after, wasted auditing, and Total mind fuck ,
I got the impression they had no clue, ,But I,m still drinking the Kool aid , with each year getting worse,
Granitt.

 

[strativarius]

I did Power-Power+ in February, 1969 . I paid $1200. for 12 minutes of auditing. My set-ups consisted of flying 3 ruds.

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What a coincidence, that's about the same time that I did mine. The price looks to be about the same as well, the only difference being I was a staff member and got it half price I think, and I only had to pay if I broke my contract (which I did - break my contract I mean. I never paid any of my freeloader bill).

My auditing lasted about that long as well, and I don't remember feeling any different coming out of session from when I went in, but this was the fast-flow era, and if the auditor thought he saw an F/N, that was it.

A more cynical person might say why spend a lot of time auditing a mere staff member when it was far more financially rewarding auditing public PC's.

 

[Gizmo]

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A more cynical person might say why spend a lot of time auditing a mere staff member when it was far more financially rewarding auditing public PC's.

True, so many battered broken caved staff members that got a band aid to get 'em back on post while the CS ignored every program written up to try to help the staff member.
And, it wouldn't be long before they crashed & burned yet again. Some sad shit the way staff got 'handled'.

 

[strativarius]

True, so many battered broken caved staff members that got a band aid to get 'em back on post while the CS ignored every program written up to try to help the staff member.
And, it wouldn't be long before they crashed & burned yet again. Some sad shit the way staff got 'handled'.

'Caved in' staff members got short shrift at our org. No staff member had a case on post of course. You got free training and processing, but other than that...

I met some really nice people working at the org, and one or two complete assholes as well. Having enough money to eat three square meals a day would have been a bonus but I always seemed to be able to smoke a fag when I wanted one. (No, that's not an euphemism for giving somebody a blow job!)

Another bonus was there always seemed to be plenty of foxy ladies around the place.

I don't know what this has got to do with whole track recall, but...

 

[pineapple]

You just jogged my memory on a J&D we used to do back in my early cult days. We would wish each other a Merry MentalMass during the holiday season. We were a Mission at the time and didn't have that heavy Ethics crap at the time which means it was perfectly normal and acceptable to makes jokes like that. Thanks for jogging that memory from the "good ol' days".

Yes, we used to do a lot of J&D too, although it supposedly wasn't okay. You just didn't do it if there was anyone around who would take offense -- only a few did, actually.

I used to bullbait in my LRH voice I'd picked up from listening to tapes. LRH prepchecking: "Has anything been SUPPRESSED? BANG! Look what the meter did there!" Or the Tony Hitchman interview: "I've hunted with pygmies in the Philippines, I've slept with Mongolian bandits ..."

For Xmas we used to sing "O come let us ignore him" (Christ).

 

[pineapple]

THe "Natural" Clear was a person who had aAlways Been Clear. LRH said that such was very rare.
In PAC's HGCs we had dozens of people coming in and saying they were some kind of Clear. There were 3 or 4 categories of these assertions.
One of them was Natural ( always been), Past life ( clear from past life auditing), and Dianetic clear ( went Clear in Dianetic auditing). The 4th category would be your Clearing Course Clear.
There would be precise auditing procedure for each category of 'Clear".
For those who asserted "Natural Clear" as they told the auditor that they were one, they would have to present with a Floating Tone Arm ( on the emeter) along with their statement. Also, the VVGIs expected.

SIGh.
i've got all that Clear stuff in my archives. I guess i'm gonna have to learn how to scan this doodoo.

I never knew the naturals had to have a floating TA. I never saw a floating TA in my 7 years in scn. Maybe I had the sens too low? Or maybe the people I audited just weren't that keyed out!

There were different steps in the tech for handling the "new breakthrus" re clear in 1978
In PACs HGCs the crush of people coming in saying that they thought they were clear were given 'clear DofP interviews, and sent on to Examiner. Shortly, new procedure was issued called a ".Dianetic Clear special Intensive". The last procedure that I recall delivering was the CCRD, or clear certainty rundown.
Each of these procedures was designed to weed out some of the people who ( it was adjudicated) had not attained the state of clear.

I just had the DofP int and then went to the Examiner to attest. I never had the DCSI, although I was in scn for another 2 years. (I may not have had any more auditing after that though, just the Purif which I don't think I ever ep'd and some awful hard tr course all auditors had to do. I hated them both.) My impression then was that the DCSI was only for people who tried to attest and didn't make it. I remember some of them getting the DCSI and subsequently attesting.

When the new craze started, some scn'ists went out on the street and body routed people in to attest to clear.
It was insane.

That's hilarious! Did some of the people they routed in have bones through their noses? *


*Intended as a reference to Dr. Hubbard's "A cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal" maxim, not as any sort of racist remark.

 

[pineapple]

True, so many battered broken caved staff members that got a band aid to get 'em back on post while the CS ignored every program written up to try to help the staff member.
And, it wouldn't be long before they crashed & burned yet again. Some sad shit the way staff got 'handled'.

Amen to that! That used to get me really upset. How the hell were they supposed to be enthusiastic about getting people "up the bridge" when they weren't getting any bridge themselves? And if auditing was supposed to make you more able, why not give the staff some so they could do their jobs better? ("Well, you don't want to reward a down stat, blah, blah, blah ....") So, they need to become more able so they can get their stats up before they can get any of the auditing that would make them more able ...?