ABC News: Scientology shatters families and enforces Disconnection!

For those who'd like to learn more about the last days of Lisa McPherson's life, please read the contents of the 'care' logs* here: http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/logs/lisam.htm

None of the people serving as 'baby watchers' directly asked Ms. McPherson what she thought about scientology and/or the efficacy of scientology-based 'treatment'.

JB

*Note: Some of the pages/entries were not submitted to the court @ that time and are presumed to have been forever 'lost'.

grrr...EAT!!! link JB...

thanx!

oy-yiyi!

check out that link to the CoS investigation into the lawyer who got the thing going...

yup...

they probably speaketh sooth when they tag him as an ambulance-chaser

hey CoS!

who gives a fuck if he was an ambulance chaser?

what difference does it make if the member of lisa's family he hooked up with scarcely knew lisa and was acting for purely mercenary reasons?

you still screwed the pooch bigtime ya freakin' dorkbrains and your "expose" is aught but feral cunning...
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
scientology is an applied religious philosophy known to be effective when properly used to relieve EII (emotionally induced illness) and generate higher levels of awareness...

as far as public law and societal standards are concerned the wrongful death of lisa mcpherson has received not only full and proper address but it has generated far more bad publicity for the culpable organization than any wrongful death in history other than the nazarene's

it is a closed case

a poster child is a common feature of a protest movement. lisa is ideally suited to be a poster child. it strikes me as odd that you would highlight in red my observation that such use would be inappropriate if her family objected to it because so far as i know HH you yourself promote such a standard of civility

not only that HH...

squirm and howl as you will, deny ignore and object at length, hold yur breath until you turn black in the face...

in your heart of heats you yourself know that to attempt to use lisa's wrongful death to attack and destroy the subject that she loved and her life's work is vile and ignoble

I thunk there be a personage on this forum who does not quite get it.
 
I thunk there be a personage on this forum who does not quite get it.

well yes...

however you are an intelligent person winnie. as someone once noted "not all intelligent people are conservatives but conservatives are always intelligent people".

if sure if you reread the post a couple times and maybe do some 2WC with the crazy old hippie you will "get it"

it is, after all, conservatives who are most enamored of the civility and dignity of the noble forms and for someone to use the fatal fuckups of a small number of people brutishy misapplying questionable policy to assault the lifework of the decedent mark said person as ignorant and/or scurrilous
 

Gib

Crusader
I thunk there be a personage on this forum who does not quite get it.

yah.

Lisa is locked up in a room, people don't know what to do really, but follow hubbardology,
meanwhile she needs medical attention, food and water, and most important of all love, affinity, and some communication.

Funny, hubbardology is supposedly about affinity, communication and reality.

And in the meantime, there are people in auditing rooms down the hall supposedly decreasing the entheta theta ratio, having wins.
 
yah.

Lisa is locked up in a room, people don't know what to do really, but follow hubbardology,
meanwhile she needs medical attention, food and water, and most important of all love, affinity, and some communication.

Funny, hubbardology is supposedly about affinity, communication and reality.

And in the meantime, there are people in auditing rooms down the hall supposedly decreasing the entheta theta ratio, having wins.

we don't know just what lisa needed

she sure as hell didn't need to be locked in a room and held incommunicado

holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's WORST offenses. even with those people in the hole who are there with their consent (the authorities have more than once have answered appeals by outsiders to go in and offer such release and been told by the penitents themselves they willingly defer to CoS authority. and other religions have done the same so there is precedent. i will NOT condone it personally) shouldn't be held incommunicado
 

Gib

Crusader
we don't know just what lisa needed

she sure as hell didn't need to be locked in a room and held incommunicado

holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's WORST offenses. even with those people in the hole who are there with their consent (the authorities have more than once have answered appeals by outsiders to go in and offer such release and been told by the penitents themselves they willingly defer to CoS authority. and other religions have done the same so there is precedent. i will NOT condone it personally) shouldn't be held incommunicado

no offense, CB

could you rewrite that what you wrote so I can understand it, so I can get your viewpoint. It may take a few postings.
 
no offense, CB

could you rewrite that what you wrote so I can understand it, so I can get your viewpoint. It may take a few postings.

hmmm...

well gibby, i'll try

the post looks fairly straightforward to me

of course for anyone to truly get my viewpoint they would have to have

oops...
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
Second note to self: The Commander is more interested in stats (he wants his next star) than "communicating."

For those who follow my notes to myself, the first note said:

Note to self: The Commander is upset.

If you care all that much, you will have to search among my 3,500 or so posts.
 
Second note to self: The Commander is more interested in stats (he wants his next star) than "communicating."

For those who follow my notes to myself, the first note said:

Note to self: The Commander is upset.

If you care all that much, you will have to search among my 3,500 or so posts.

once i got my third star i figured i was on the block at esmb and have't paid much attetion since winnie

and one of the problems with this format is one can dub-in inflection while reading posts

no

the commander is far from upset. the commander is quite delighted to have ponied up an exceptionally piquant citation of the eternal verites
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
once i got my third star i figured i was on the block at esmb and have't paid much attetion since winnie

and one of the problems with this format is one can dub-in inflection while reading posts

no

the commander is far from upset. the commander is quite delighted to have ponied up an exceptionally piquant citation of the eternal verites

Oh but you WERE pissed when I wrote that. I remember. But at the moment I don't recall why you were upset. Maybe you could audit that and bring me "back" to that moment on my whole track. :giggle:
 
It's not straight forward to me.

Shall I repeat the auditing command? LOL

i'm in a library gib. i get a one hour slot and then i get to cycle through 15 minute windows on the express computers

i got another 7;20 to continue my response to your request so i won't be able to finish elaborating on
"we don't know what lisa needed

ok...

the shit really hits the fan when she turns ecdysiast (a word coined by h. l. mencken to desribe gypsy rose lee) stripping in public

ahem...

lisa was then apparently displaying conduct born of an abnormal psychological condition. but there was apparently some sort of abnormal condition developing with her over a few months. she'd gotte pretty spacey a few times and this was not usual for her.

oops...

back soon
 
Oh but you WERE pissed when I wrote that. I remember. But at the moment I don't recall why you were upset. Maybe you could audit that and bring me "back" to that moment on my whole track. :giggle:

what are you talking about?

when did you think i was pissed?

hit the rwq button on it and let's have a look at it winnie...
 
i'm in a library gib. i get a one hour slot and then i get to cycle through 15 minute windows on the express computers

i got another 7;20 to continue my response to your request so i won't be able to finish elaborating on
"we don't know what lisa needed

ok...

the shit really hits the fan when she turns ecdysiast (a word coined by h. l. mencken to desribe gypsy rose lee) stripping in public

ahem...

lisa was then apparently displaying conduct born of an abnormal psychological condition. but there was apparently some sort of abnormal condition developing with her over a few months. she'd gotte pretty spacey a few times and this was not usual for her.

oops...

back soon

so anyway...

i don't think lisa was usually a space cadet, i think she was an a-ticket hot shit. she had to be to be a full time scientologist for years and have $60K in the bank. the lady knew how to take care of herself. and she'd been working on some serious CoS projects (which of course made CoS very antsy about the idea of her getting out of their direct area of control. especially in an agitated state)

but...

she'd been getting a bit spacey now and then...

so if you round up the usual suspects the first two you grab are menopause and/or garden variety stress/cognitive dissonance.

body chemistry was probably a contributing factor and life always stressful but having a remarkably rich personal experience with abnormal psychology myself (and also being a solid high performing down and dirty hot shit myself) i suspect there were some uncommon and even esoteric fctors involved with her

back
 
so anyway...

i don't think lisa was usually a space cadet, i think she was an a-ticket hot shit. she had to be to be a full time scientologist for years and have $60K in the bank. the lady knew how to take care of herself. and she'd been working on some serious CoS projects (which of course made CoS very antsy about the idea of her getting out of their direct area of control. especially in an agitated state)

but...

she'd been getting a bit spacey now and then...

so if you round up the usual suspects the first two you grab are menopause and/or garden variety stress/cognitive dissonance.

body chemistry was probably a contributing factor and life always stressful but having a remarkably rich personal experience with abnormal psychology myself (and also being a solid high performing down and dirty hot shit myself) i suspect there were some uncommon and even esoteric factors involved with her

back

...soon

...and even esoteric factors involved with her dilemma.

so...

from this distance in time and space we don't know what she really needed

but

holding her incommunicado was wrong

as far as i'm concerned it would be wrong even if it had worked and it might have worked. she was in the middle of what can plausibly be termed "a psychotic break" even though i consider this term loahesome. but one thing we do know about "psychotic breaks" is that if you were basically ok before it started you re almost certain to recover unless you are prevented from recovering. the psychs have very substantially reformed their ways. they now have "stabilize and release" policy. used to be if they got their hands on you they could brand you as a nut and warehouse you

but...

one of the things about lisa's case is that it shows CoS just don't fukkin' understand their own materials

so does this help you better understand the statement "we don't know what lisa needed" or does it just add to your confusion gibby?
 
we don't know just what lisa needed

she sure as hell didn't need to be locked in a room and held incommunicado

holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's WORST offenses. even with those people in the hole who are there with their consent (the authorities have more than once have answered appeals by outsiders to go in and offer such release and been told by the penitents themselves they willingly defer to CoS authority. and other religions have done the same so there is precedent. i will NOT condone it personally) shouldn't be held incommunicado

all right...

now what's not to understand about "holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's worst offenses"?

CoS should be all about auditing and auditor training

all right...

yes, an "office of special affairs" is a proper and natural department of the executive division. but they want to do special ops outside the usual portfolio for a church. they want to send the pequod out to kill the great white whale...

and that's not a real tough literary allusion gibby though it does take a little bit of sophistication to grasp. i hope you recognize that the pequod and the great white whale allude to melville's immortal "moby dick" but don't go feeling as if i'm talking down to you if you didn't. and even if you did recognize the allusion you might have to think about to see how captain ahab is a fitting metaphor for the OSA...

any more questions gibby?
 

Gib

Crusader
all right...

now what's not to understand about "holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's worst offenses"?

CoS should be all about auditing and auditor training

all right...

yes, an "office of special affairs" is a proper and natural department of the executive division. but they want to do special ops outside the usual portfolio for a church. they want to send the pequod out to kill the great white whale...

and that's not a real tough literary allusion gibby though it does take a little bit of sophistication to grasp. i hope you recognize that the pequod and the great white whale allude to melville's immortal "moby dick" but don't go feeling as if i'm talking down to you if you didn't. and even if you did recognize the allusion you might have to think about to see how captain ahab is a fitting metaphor for the OSA...

any more questions gibby?

no, you answered it.

the pyschs and the COS don't know shit, but they sure claim to know.

PS. I don't know either.

For if I claimed to know, like Hubbardology (scientology), I too could make a million dollars.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
we don't know just what lisa needed

she sure as hell didn't need to be locked in a room and held incommunicado

holding people incommunicado is one of CoS's WORST offenses. even with those people in the hole who are there with their consent (the authorities have more than once have answered appeals by outsiders to go in and offer such release and been told by the penitents themselves they willingly defer to CoS authority. and other religions have done the same so there is precedent. i will NOT condone it personally) shouldn't be held incommunicado

Once one accepts the premise that Scn is the "last hope for the world", that if Scn fails then that is the doom of all persons everywhere, then lots of things logically follow from that. Things like criminal neglect, theft, murder, genocide -- any crime is permissible if doing it is perceived as advancing Scn.

From my earlier readings of the case, the reason Lisa died was that taking care of her and ensuring her well-being was not part of anybody's stat, and so she was neglected unto death.
 
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