Accomplishments of Anonymous/Critics

[Dulloldfart]

This is as honest answer as I can give you, Paul.

Are you saying that you would act differently?

Thanks for the answer.

Would I do it? Say if it happened to me a couple of years ago and I was now out? It's like one of those movies where the star prosecution witness is in police protection and the mafia don he is going to testify against rubs him out anyway.

It's one thing to post on ESMB and go to a monthly Anon protest and wave a sign for a few hours. Going up against the CofS in a high-profile legal case is something else. I would have to think very carefully about it before acting, whichever way I went over it.

Paul

 

[Sharone Stainforth]

They don't shut for lunch.

They had loads of public inside doing stuff?

How many?

Hello Terril,
This is a prime example of why its difficult for me to write on chat boards.I know what i mean, but other people don't.

I didn't think they shut for lunch. When i said TCR was packed. I meant the street, not the org.Sorry for the misunderstanding.Which is why i was surprised that they didn't have the stress test tables out.

 

[byte301]

This was posted on enturb. It might offer up some points we've missed.



There has been some whispers and moans about falling numbers at protests. Clambake has a thread about "has Anonymous lost its focus"..............(Somehow forgetting the huge upsurge in mini-raids)

Let's look at what Anonymous has accomplished within six months.

HUGE document leaks
of the "secret' writings of CO$
of the finances of CO$
of in-house emails and directives
of the Bridge OT documents
not to mention embarassing video leaks

And the sites carrying them refusing to bow to CO$ and take them down. The public can now access for themselves the actual directives of Fair Game, or genocide of SP's or End of Cycle for the elderly......

There are almost daily mentions and articles (around the world!) about the abuses of the CO$ in magazines, radio, news and online. Comediennes now freely joke about Xenu and the whole space opera thing AND their audience knows enough about the cult to laugh along.

A year ago many of the media would be fearfull of even mentioning CO$.

Old Guard are now in TV and radio doing interviews.

Agencies from Amnestry International, to FBI, to Elder Protection, to mental health, are now looking into CO$, bolstered by the documents Anonymous provides.

Tom Cruise has become the punchline to a joke, and Will Smith has articles written about him that speculate if his career can survive the link to Scientology. These celebrities are no longer the huge "raw meat" draw they were even a year ago.

Many of the police forces are beginning to see that Scientology abuses the system, and are getting very tired of being used as bully boys for the cult against critics and protesters.

Every time CO$ bull-baits, physically attacks someone, or does a huge PR screw-up like not letting an old lady with a walker go home, Anonymous is documenting it and putting it on Web.

The public in places like Clearwater and LA are seeing that the cult can be fought, and city councils are realizing that CO$ kills their ecomony. Places where the cult want to buy or build are notified by Anonymous of CO$'s record of letting buildings run down, and non-payment of tradesmen.

Anonymous is draining the funds of CO$ in a major way, which means the cult will pressure its members even more for money. In the end, the added stress will cause more people to blow.

Every Postcard from Paradise is letting the cult know that Anonymous knows all about the human right abuses; such behaviours don't do well under a spotlight.

The cult is so infiltrated they can't hold a "secret" meeting without Anonymous knowing about it.

We have come to the point that one Anonymous in a mask can shut down orgs and stress tables!

Scientology, expect us.....

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

On a strictly personal note...

Away for a few years, getting on OK, no real problems - getting older - you know?

Anyway, a few months ago, picked up some "vibes" from somewhere, fired up the computer - in a desultory sort of way, of course. I'm real comfortable.

I feel like I'm midway and winning on the "cause resurgence rundown" or some such thing. This all from the WWW and these forums. One of the first things I read was O. J. Roos' story. That started a landslide. Here I am.

It's really sorta like having a "New Life"....

Wait , didnt I do that already? Which f'n "L" was that, anyway...did I throw those damn invoices away!

Posted just in case you need a little reassurance.

 

[Zander]

They don't shut for lunch.

They had loads of public inside doing stuff?

How many?

Hello Terril,
This is a prime example of why its difficult for me to write on chat boards.I know what i mean, but other people don't.

I didn't think they shut for lunch. When i said TCR was packed. I meant the street, not the org.Sorry for the misunderstanding.Which is why i was surprised that they didn't have the stress test tables out.

Don't worry Tamasin. I understood exactly what you meant and you said it right: TCR = Tottenham Court Road of course.

I can't imagine that the actual org would ever be packed.

 

[byte301]

Away for a few years, getting on OK, no real problems - getting older - you know?

Anyway, a few months ago, picked up some "vibes" from somewhere, fired up the computer - in a desultory sort of way, of course. I'm real comfortable.

I feel like I'm midway and winning on the "cause resurgence rundown" or some such thing. This all from the WWW and these forums. One of the first things I read was O. J. Roos' story. That started a landslide. Here I am.

It's really sorta like having a "New Life"....

Wait , didnt I do that already? Which f'n "L" was that, anyway...did I throw those damn invoices away!

Posted just in case you need a little reassurance.

lol same story here EP. I was surfing one day kind of bored and just for a hoot googled Marcabian. I had heard the story about 8 months into $cientology but wasn't told it was OTIII. Sneaky bastards. I just thought it was the person's vivid imagination. So after pages and pages of hits and reading Mayo's story (who was a person I always wondered about) and some other stories I found myself at enturb, here and a couple other places. I have barely left the computer since.

 

[Zander]

lol same story here EP. I was surfing one day kind of bored and just for a hoot googled Marcabian. I had heard the story about 8 months into $cientology but wasn't told it was OTIII. Sneaky bastards. I just thought it was the person's vivid imagination. So after pages and pages of hits and reading Mayo's story (who was a person I always wondered about) and some other stories I found myself at enturb, here and a couple other places. I have barely left the computer since.

Very similar story for me too.

I hadn't been onlines for a number of years but I was looking at a very old copy of "The Auditor" from the 70's and there was an article about Ingo Swann in there and how he was using scientology in some sort of psychic research.

I thought, "I wonder what happened to him?" So I googled it and came across a website from an ex-scientologist (Robert Dam).

The floodgates were now open and I quickly found loads of other sites: the freezone, xenu.net, beliefnet etc. It was compulsive reading!

But I was always a lurker until I joined here last month.

I had looked at ARS back in the 90's (I think about 96) when I was on-lines but it didn't make much sense to me then.

The amount of information on the web and the way it is presented is so much better now, and especially this website

I just can't imagine anyone educated joining scn now - I mean when you first get interested in a subject, what't the first thing you do? Yeah, google it!

 

[sallydannce]

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The amount of information on the web and the way it is presented is so much better now, and especially this website

I just can't imagine anyone educated joining scn now - I mean when you first get interested in a subject, what't the first thing you do? Yeah, google it!

And here is a key point - one of the ways to strangle a group is to remove it's funding. (This is one of the things that scientology aims to do with psychiatry - remove funding going to the profession.)

The level of good information out in the real world will be having an impact on the financial health/longevity of scientology. Scientology is slowly being financially strangled and while this may not be apparent at this time, it will be happening.

On the matter of criminal complaints against scientology, the problem I see with this is when these violations are occurring, the person is very imprisoned either physically or mentally. By the time they are in a position to lay a complaint, you are entering into what is know as an "historical" case. Historical complaints are trickier to prosecute due to the evidence level being lower, memory issues, emotional issues, etc. Rape cases are a classic - firstly the woman cannot lay the complaint because she is so messed up by the event. Then, often years later, when she is strong enough to lay a complaint, it is a mess for prosecutors to proceed.

I see a strong similarity with rape cases and why people who have been beaten by DM not laying charges.

When someone you trust violates you, nothing is black & white. Those on the outside will say "why didn't he/she just go to the cops?" Just ain't that simple when your world has tipped upside down on you.

The good news is that DM will hit the wrong person. That person will turn around, walk out the door and go straight to the cop shop. The clock is ticking...

 

[byte301]

This from our pro bono lawyer on enturb. He states elsewhere that in the US the cult is most vulnerable in regards to child abuse and labor laws.



Re: A Lawyer Answers Your Questions!!

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Welcome to Enturb!

Can anything be done about the cult intimidating small businesses? LA arranged a double decker bus, and while they were loading up, the bus driver was told to come back to the hub because Scientology had called and threatened a lawsuit.

YouTube - Protest July 12th, 2008

Here is a fun one for you. Check into your local Racketeering Laws. They might apply to this situation. If they do then, yes, it is illegal for them to use intimidation in that fashion.
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$cientology also told the owner of the bus company that Anonymous was a terriost group and wanted the bus so that they could drop bombs on the org!!!

 

[Free to shine]

This was posted on enturb. It might offer up some points we've missed.



There has been some whispers and moans about falling numbers at protests. Clambake has a thread about "has Anonymous lost its focus"..............(Somehow forgetting the huge upsurge in mini-raids)

Let's look at what Anonymous has accomplished within six months.

HUGE document leaks
of the "secret' writings of CO$
of the finances of CO$
of in-house emails and directives
of the Bridge OT documents
not to mention embarassing video leaks

And the sites carrying them refusing to bow to CO$ and take them down. The public can now access for themselves the actual directives of Fair Game, or genocide of SP's or End of Cycle for the elderly......

There are almost daily mentions and articles (around the world!) about the abuses of the CO$ in magazines, radio, news and online. Comediennes now freely joke about Xenu and the whole space opera thing AND their audience knows enough about the cult to laugh along.

A year ago many of the media would be fearfull of even mentioning CO$.

Old Guard are now in TV and radio doing interviews.

Agencies from Amnestry International, to FBI, to Elder Protection, to mental health, are now looking into CO$, bolstered by the documents Anonymous provides.

Tom Cruise has become the punchline to a joke, and Will Smith has articles written about him that speculate if his career can survive the link to Scientology. These celebrities are no longer the huge "raw meat" draw they were even a year ago.

Many of the police forces are beginning to see that Scientology abuses the system, and are getting very tired of being used as bully boys for the cult against critics and protesters.

Every time CO$ bull-baits, physically attacks someone, or does a huge PR screw-up like not letting an old lady with a walker go home, Anonymous is documenting it and putting it on Web.

The public in places like Clearwater and LA are seeing that the cult can be fought, and city councils are realizing that CO$ kills their ecomony. Places where the cult want to buy or build are notified by Anonymous of CO$'s record of letting buildings run down, and non-payment of tradesmen.

Anonymous is draining the funds of CO$ in a major way, which means the cult will pressure its members even more for money. In the end, the added stress will cause more people to blow.

Every Postcard from Paradise is letting the cult know that Anonymous knows all about the human right abuses; such behaviours don't do well under a spotlight.

The cult is so infiltrated they can't hold a "secret" meeting without Anonymous knowing about it.

We have come to the point that one Anonymous in a mask can shut down orgs and stress tables!

Scientology, expect us.....

Excellent points!

 

[Neo]

I agree that DM should be punished for any abuses committed, but it won't be easy.

Axiom142

Since leaving the Cult of Scientology very recently, I have come to see how it is a one man show. DM seems to be the centre of the universe for the Co$. Those below him a dispensable. And they get replaced. But it is not as powerful as it once was.

Even with regards to the Tech, which I think is the only thing that keeps most current Scios in. As long term techies have left (or been thrown out), they haven't been replaced by those of a similar caliber, or in similar numbers. I did not know the old scene, which I am learning about here on this message board. I only knew what I was experiencing in the Co$. And things just were not adding up. They didn't make sense. If Scientology had the tech to help mankind, then why was it such a disaster zone itself? And why were so few people moving on the Bridge, especially staff?

That's where the protests made a difference for me. The first one in January was met by indifference on my part. But then they came back in February, and I remember my personal reaction to them - why was the Church 'pulling' these things in. It didn't quite make sense in my own universe.

I started to poke around on the internet. And things happened very quickly from that point. I think I was on this message board in early March. All because of the protests.

Now, in and of themselves, the protests wont bring the Cult down. But they lead to actions which will contribute to that result. I firmly believe this. They cut the flow of public coming into the Orgs. This cuts the GI being generated by Orgs. This affects uplines. DM would be feeling the impact of these protests, because Scientology is all about money.

So like asagai has said, there are things being done behind the scenes. This is not the place to communicate them. But there is a critical mass developing here and now. I honestly believe we are going to see some form of justice being served.

Neo

 

[Free to shine]

Since leaving the Cult of Scientology very recently, I have come to see how it is a one man show. DM seems to be the centre of the universe for the Co$. Those below him a dispensable. And they get replaced. But it is not as powerful as it once was.

Even with regards to the Tech, which I think is the only thing that keeps most current Scios in. As long term techies have left (or been thrown out), they haven't been replaced by those of a similar caliber, or in similar numbers. I did not know the old scene, which I am learning about here on this message board. I only knew what I was experiencing in the Co$. And things just were not adding up. They didn't make sense. If Scientology had the tech to help mankind, then why was it such a disaster zone itself? And why were so few people moving on the Bridge, especially staff?

That's where the protests made a difference for me. The first one in January was met by indifference on my part. But then they came back in February, and I remember my personal reaction to them - why was the Church 'pulling' these things in. It didn't quite make sense in my own universe.

I started to poke around on the internet. And things happened very quickly from that point. I think I was on this message board in early March. All because of the protests.

Now, in and of themselves, the protests wont bring the Cult down. But they lead to actions which will contribute to that result. I firmly believe this. They cut the flow of public coming into the Orgs. This cuts the GI being generated by Orgs. This affects uplines. DM would be feeling the impact of these protests, because Scientology is all about money.

So like asagai has said, there are things being done behind the scenes. This is not the place to communicate them. But there is a critical mass developing here and now. I honestly believe we are going to see some form of justice being served.

Neo

So true. You are an inspiration Neo.

 

[asagai]

Well said Neo!

You know the funny thing is that the way you describe DM's position and the current state of the CofS is so very similar to my experience of it under Hubbard up to 1982.

Long term techies left and it was slow to replace them with people of caliber. (it takes a long time to train competant auditors.)

This happened in the 50's (eg John Galusha, Helen O'Brian), the 60's (eg Reg Sharpe) the 70's (eg Otto Reuss) the 80's (eg David Mayo).

These purges/blows filtered all the way down the Org structure.

Scn was always a disaster zone, which is why it has never made any noticable progress towards "clearing the planet". The reason was and is that Hubbard was a madman!

The difference now is the limits being put on DM to "recruit in excess". Hubbard instigated this policy due to the huge failure rate of Scn. He covered this up by his policy to recruit in excess.

Now, thanks to anonymous it is getting harder for DM to do this. Also thanks to the Internet we have a fact-finding tool that didn't exist before.

Presumably most people initially exposed to Scn, will google the internet and get the facts that previously Hubbard was always able to suppress!

I suppose DM will now be focussing on the more deprived areas of the planet where the "entheta" might not be shining its light on the cult. There is some evidence that the CofS has been recruiting staff from such places. His problem is they will also be areas with a low GI potential!

The CofS will be dying from inside due to lack of income. Outside pressure from anonymous, critics and exes will be the catalyst.

 

[Alanzo]

Alanzo! You stuck on a weekly stat cycle?

Some things take longer. Like whisky.

Maybe I am stuck on a weekly stat cycle.

The accomplishments that have been listed here are real, and they are fundamental in their nature. If they can be sustained, they will break the cult. The Church will need to end the abuses just to make sure everyone who is left will stay.

But because of the nature of DM's insanity, the changes will never come from him. He's the kind that breaks but never bends.

So something has to be done that at least reaches DM personally. Even if it is unsuccessful, if it is repeated, it may be enough to get him out.

He is vulnerable.

After reading Larry Brennan's Affidavit last night, it appears that DM has perjured himself for many years in many court cases. Brennan lists 6 people who all have witnessed him committing assault and battery on others. There is evidence he may have blackmailed government officials at the IRS to attain tax-exempt status for the Church.

These are not small things. If true, they could put him away for a good long time. And in that big hole left by DM, there may be someone who fills his place who will improve things for Scientologists because he saw what happened to Davey if he doesn't.

So while the protests strangle the flow of resources to the group as a whole, legal strikes are needed into the head of the organization to fully clean out the corruption.

If anyone needs any manpower or resources to help with these, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

Scientology needs to change and change NOW.

It's a real problem to me personally.

I can't get any work done.

I want it fixed!

 

[Escalus]

Maybe I am stuck on a weekly stat cycle.

The accomplishments that have been listed here are real, and they are fundamental in their nature. If they can be sustained, they will break the cult. The Church will need to end the abuses just to make sure everyone who is left will stay.

But because of the nature of DM's insanity, the changes will never come from him. He's the kind that breaks but never bends.

So something has to be done that at least reaches DM personally. Even if it is unsuccessful, if it is repeated, it may be enough to get him out.

He is vulnerable.

After reading Larry Brennan's Affidavit last night, it appears that DM has perjured himself for many years in many court cases. Brennan lists 6 people who all have witnessed him committing assault and battery on others. There is evidence he may have blackmailed government officials at the IRS to attain tax-exempt status for the Church.

These are not small things. If true, they could put him away for a good long time. And in that big hole left by DM, there may be someone who fills his place who will improve things for Scientologists because he saw what happened to Davey if he doesn't.

So while the protests strangle the flow of resources to the group as a whole, legal strikes are needed into the head of the organization to fully clean out the corruption.

If anyone needs any manpower or resources to help with these, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

Scientology needs to change and change NOW.

It's a real problem to me personally.

I can't get any work done.

I want it fixed!

Alanzo I've stayed away from the subject and hoped someone would pipe in on another take on this - I can't have it always be from me, y'know! But to be honest there isn't anything of value to keep inside that organization, for my money. Reform or not is not for anyone outside scientology to say. Let them figure out what they want to do about it. But Anonymous is a meme, not an organization or even a movement. It is cultural inoculation, and the long term affects of a meme take an amount of time no one can estimate. An entire generation is seeing scientology as a worn out, middle-aged, bad hair bunch of crabby people who like to scare people.

I think we're doing just fine.

 

[anonmom]

Maybe I am stuck on a weekly stat cycle.

The accomplishments that have been listed here are real, and they are fundamental in their nature. If they can be sustained, they will break the cult. The Church will need to end the abuses just to make sure everyone who is left will stay.

But because of the nature of DM's insanity, the changes will never come from him. He's the kind that breaks but never bends.

So something has to be done that at least reaches DM personally. Even if it is unsuccessful, if it is repeated, it may be enough to get him out.

He is vulnerable.

After reading Larry Brennan's Affidavit last night, it appears that DM has perjured himself for many years in many court cases. Brennan lists 6 people who all have witnessed him committing assault and battery on others. There is evidence he may have blackmailed government officials at the IRS to attain tax-exempt status for the Church.

These are not small things. If true, they could put him away for a good long time. And in that big hole left by DM, there may be someone who fills his place who will improve things for Scientologists because he saw what happened to Davey if he doesn't.

So while the protests strangle the flow of resources to the group as a whole, legal strikes are needed into the head of the organization to fully clean out the corruption.

If anyone needs any manpower or resources to help with these, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

Scientology needs to change and change NOW.

It's a real problem to me personally.

I can't get any work done.

I want it fixed!

I agree with what you are saying. That's why I am speaking out now, I just want the abuse to stop.

As for being stuck in a weekly stat cycle, I understand. I got out in the 80s, but I remember thinking not long ago, "I don't want a progress report, I want to hear about RESULTS." Then I thought, "Oh, CRAPOLA! That's SCIENTOLOGY!"

Scary.

 

[Thrak]

Alanzo

Also, most importantly, I think the Jason Beghe video is one of the best things I have ever watched!!! I used to dream up ways that I could one day be lucky enough to purchase my L's and OT levels and be TOTAL Cause over my life.

That guy saved me a bundle, brought some good attention to the abuses of the church, and MB said in London he got some of the courage to come out due to Anon.

Do I think that many people still "in" will wake up? No-but the drain on resouces of the church to fight them will wake up a few in some intense "breifings ($$$$$). How many JTs can come up with $1M to out PR them?

You got that right. It wasn't that long ago I was considering doing all that stuff like it would actually do something. Jason Beghe will go down as having done an enormous amount of good for this endeavor and I hope I have the chance to thank him some day as his video was what started the wake up for yours truly.

I like this thread. This to me is what ESMB should be about. Ending this nightmare so other people don't get hurt. I'm really getting fed up with all the talk of the "Freezone" or if the "Tech" works or not. Who gives a fuck? Whatever wins I may have received become irrelevant when it becomes apparent I gave huge amounts of money to help a very bad organization and ended up depriving myself of many years of my own resources. I could have had a house or money in the bank instead I am a slave to an enormous debt. And I got out lucky compared to what others lost. Enough of this menace to society.

God bless anonymous! I admit I do cringe a bit when I hear the ones that quote "Anonymous is legion" and stuff like that but it occurred to me that the guys who say that stuff don't really seem to represent it anyway. What I have been most impressed by it is the wit, intelligence, and the spirit of play that the "church" is totally devoid of. And if they can get people already in to think, and make people avoid getting in then more power to them.

 

[Pixie]

Excellent post Thrak!! Indeed, who cares about the 'tech' when we're dealing with a criminal organization birthed by a lying conman. The most important thing is to bring them down, and for sure, Anon are doing a fantastic job, but keeping it all alive via 'freezerzone' doesn't make sense to me either, for some, the 'tech' has done it's job for sure.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Wow! - Fantastic thread.. Making me ashamed of spectatorism..

Ah.. I can't even think of anything to add. You all said everything very well!

One thing struck my mind though.. Rekindling purposes.. That's one of the things the scam cult likes to think they can do.. Ah.. When someone grew nauseous of scientology and all the regging.. They'd 'rekindle his purposes' and get him back on the bridge.

Now, I got PR'ed into the Sinister Scam Cult of Scientology by a trusted freind (Who didn't lie to me. This was true for him!) and the scam cults streamlined marketing and hoodwinking apperatus.

I thought I was getting into a group of really smart and effective people who was making the world a better place... These were people who would never allow an oppressive system to operate. These were people whom you could not suppress.. If an oppressive leader reared his ugly mug, he would be removed. Scientologists would recognize fascism instantly.

Pffft!! - I knew I was mistaken after a week in the GO.. Yet, it took me 1,5 years to actually quit. And 5 more to boot the intire subject of Scientolgy out of my personal sphere.

Look at the mess they're in! - With a figure like Miscavige in a position of undisputable power.

Looks like scientologists are more prone to succumb to totalitarianism than anyone else.

Until they get the hell out that is..

When the scientologists get the hell out and starts thinking again, they are people to be proud of!

 

[Terril park]

Maybe I am stuck on a weekly stat cycle.

The accomplishments that have been listed here are real, and they are fundamental in their nature. If they can be sustained, they will break the cult. The Church will need to end the abuses just to make sure everyone who is left will stay.

But because of the nature of DM's insanity, the changes will never come from him. He's the kind that breaks but never bends.

So something has to be done that at least reaches DM personally. Even if it is unsuccessful, if it is repeated, it may be enough to get him out.

He is vulnerable.

After reading Larry Brennan's Affidavit last night, it appears that DM has perjured himself for many years in many court cases. Brennan lists 6 people who all have witnessed him committing assault and battery on others. There is evidence he may have blackmailed government officials at the IRS to attain tax-exempt status for the Church.

These are not small things. If true, they could put him away for a good long time. And in that big hole left by DM, there may be someone who fills his place who will improve things for Scientologists because he saw what happened to Davey if he doesn't.

So while the protests strangle the flow of resources to the group as a whole, legal strikes are needed into the head of the organization to fully clean out the corruption.

If anyone needs any manpower or resources to help with these, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

Scientology needs to change and change NOW.

It's a real problem to me personally.

I can't get any work done.

I want it fixed!

I'm with you on this.