ESMB has entered archive mode. All posts and threads that were available to the general public are still readable. The board is still searchable. 

Thank you all for your participation and readership over the last 12 years.

If you want to join in the conversation, please join the new ESMB Redux at

Advice for those still in.

Discussion in 'Reconnecting with Old Friends' started by Veda, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    If you leave it can only get better.
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2017
  2. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

  3. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

  4. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime


  5. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime


    You just slip out the back, Jack
    Make a new plan, Stan
    You don't need to be coy, Roy
    You just listen to me

    You hop on the bus, Gus
    Don't need to discuss much
    Just drop off the key, Lee
    And get yourself free
  6. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think Tory first said it.
    It always stuck.

    The way "out" is through the nearest door.
  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    BLOWING in the Wind

    Bob Dylan wrote a great song to listen to while you're on the way out the door:


    How many roads must a man walk down
    Before you call him a man?
    How many seas must a white dove sail
    Before she sleeps in the sand?

    How many times must the cannonballs fly
    Before they're forever banned?
    The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
    The answer is blowing in the wind

    How many years must a mountain exist
    Before it is washed to the sea?
    How many years can some people exist
    Before they're allowed to be free?

    How many times can a man turn his head
    And pretend that he just doesn't see?
    The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
    The answer is blowing in the wind

    How many times must a man look up
    Before he can see the sky?
    How many ears must one man have
    Before he can hear people cry?

    How many deaths will it take till he knows
    That too many people have died?
    The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
    The answer is blowing in the wind

    To those still in...

    Your doubts are REAL! It's not your bank, it's YOU! Get the f**k out of there NOW!

    The way out is the way through (the nearest exit door).

    Please get here by Thursday @ 2:00 p.m.!!!!!!

    (just kidding about that last line, but not about the rest!)
  8. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Re: BLOWING in the Wind

    The answer is definitely blowing!
  9. beeeaaach

    beeeaaach image of time

  10. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    ADVICE for those still "IN"...

  11. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Advice for those still in:

    Google Scientology.

    Look at both sides and examine the information carefully.

    Assess the credibility of critics and proponents.

    Realize that by doing this simple, logical, and rational act, you will probably be expelled from Scientology, get sec checked, or assigned a lower condition.

  12. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Run like your life depends on it. ...cuz it does.
  13. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If you are on staff, use the on-line estimator for your Social Security retirement benefits based on your annual contributions and reporting.

    Then back in the opportunity cost of working for the church to your current and estimated wages over your lifetime.

    Just for example and not using any specific calculation, if you are being paid $50. a week and due to low contributions or no reporting your retirement benefit is reduced by $700. per month, then you are effectively paying $200, a month to not get $550. later (after you have been Fitness Boarded). I'm pretty sure the actual calculations will be much worse.

    When you are young and invincible and in your prime producing years we don't think about this until it is too late to do much about it.

    Conversely, any long term benefits that you give up by being on staff are converted into an opportunity benefit to the Church so it is in their interest for staff to not understand how Social Security benefits work.
    What is an "Opportunity Cost"?

    Opportunity cost refers to a benefit that a person could have received, but gave up, to take another course of action. Stated differently, an opportunity cost represents an alternative given up when a decision is made. This cost is, therefore, most relevant for two mutually exclusive events. In investing, it is the difference in return between a chosen investment and one that is necessarily passed up

  14. beeeaaach

    beeeaaach image of time

    you guys and gals are amazing :D by scientological standards ... so that makes you all very normal

    heresy ahahhahaha
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2016
  15. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I know of a few full time FSM's that have elected to forgo SS benefits per the IRS rules:

    Those FSM's waived their rights to receive SS and Medicare benefits, and forgo their paying into the system for many years.

    They told me it was a big mistake to do so, after many years from being a full time FSM.

    This has everything to do with the COS getting IRS ok to be a religion.

    Unfortunately it fucks over people big time, and the culprit is the COS and not the IRS, because the COS does not explain it to it's members, nor does the COS provide benefits for being a constant member.

    Out exchange.

    Go figure.
  16. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If a person meets even the most minimum qualifications they may still get a monthly SS benefit but by the time they are old enough to receive it, the minimum payout in relation to the cost of living will probably be subsistence level. Inflation indexes are deliberately rigged so cost of living adjustments don't keep up with inflation and they sure don't reflect the actual cost of housing.
  17. Bost_Bobby

    Bost_Bobby Patron with Honors

    Charley was in the sea org since the mid-to-late seventies up until the late nineties or early 2000s, I don't know which. He was receiving $600 a month from Social Security. This is why he was having to live in a trailer in a muddy field when he died.
  18. Randy Gaumond

    Randy Gaumond New Member

    What was his last name??