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After OT8 the tech is free

Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by Ralph Hilton, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    FIFY :cool:
  2. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Not really.

    They should pay us for reading that crap, with compensation for pain and suffering.

    Double or more, if listening to an LRH tape....
  3. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Your post reminds me of something I did while I was a Scientologist, some 15 years ago, IIRC, well I needed the money. Anyways, which is I participated in something know as a "Focus Group", I got on a particular list to be available to participated in this. Timing was right you might say, and I needed the money.

    A Focus Group is something you are paid for to show up and answer really probing marketing questions about a product. I mean really probing questions, much like a sec check in scientology, LOL.

    Anyways, here I was paid to be part of a market research about a product. You have to understand if your normal pay per hour is $25, why the Focus Group will pay you $50 per hour just to get you to show up, if you know what I mean.

    So yah, anybody reading Hubbard's bullshit rhetoric should be paid.


    Here's what is also funny, per the latest blogcast by Chris Shelton and Karen Pressley, why there have been 84 books written about Scientology, don't forget that anybody who follows or joins scientology, why they follow HCOB's and HVO PL's, or Hubbardology, LOL.

    Hey, Hubbard said books make booms, in the world view about books about scientology/hubbardology, why 84 books make busts about scientology/hubbardology. LOL

    More books is needed!

    Here's what is not talked about in the Chris Shelton and Karen video, that between the 84 books and the internet ARS, ESMB, and now all these new blogs, Facebook, tweeter, etc, why there are more millions of words spoken about how scientology /hubbard is bullshit.

    Suck on that DM and your lawyers.
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  4. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    crikey! If they were offering that sort of money, did it include an alien anal probe?
  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    nope, I attended two Focus groups, one for Jolly Rancher candy and Ford Motor Company.

    The next time some scientologist approaches you on the street, ask them how much you will get paid for completing the survey. They will probably say here is a free ticket to the viewing of some scientology propaganda film, LOL
  6. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    Do you think the Cof$ OT8 is the LRH OT8? Not likely.

    I think the LRH OT8 dealt with etheric implants found in the body, the "third and final wall of fire"
  7. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Another reason they couldn't release more of what they have is that LRH has used the last few OT levels to basically debunk the grade chart in that it's all stuff you merely mocked up - bt's, engrams, reactive minds.
    I'm surprised people haven't used his admissions as the basis for getting their money back as in "What? If you tricked me into running what was never really there then I want my money back plus restitution for all the damage it caused me to believe lies about myself."
    I'm just now reading Lucifer;s Bridge by George M, Witek and if he's correct in that his Elf Davey of Davy's Navy, a Confederation copy of a copy etc., and if he's right people started going insane while running the new upper OT levels and it seems to me that Ron has intentionally pushed his public over the edge of reason by releasing crap about being Lucifer, that all the the auditing has been about chasing fantacy's etc., he seems to have wanted company when he went insane and the new OT levels are all about pushing people once and for all over the edge.
  8. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Lucifer;s Bridge by George M, Witek has the original OT8 on chapter 8 and once people began to lose their remaining few marbles on it they reissued a wuss version of the original, took the teeth right out of it. Now it just does nothing rather than making people even crazier. Hooray for progress in Scientology!
  9. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Reports of Hubbard in his latter years say he was raving about BTs being "everywhere". If so, and if the tech is correct, he must have been unflat on OT III.

    So why would anyone assume he could discover new OT levels above his own case level? Obviously he couldn't. That's why people who have done OT8 say it's BS.
  10. pkatz

    pkatz Patron with Honors

    A Digression Down the Grade Chart here, please!

    If you did OT3, did you run what I think is called Incident 3, ie the things leading up to, then the volcanoes, followed by etc etc?

    Or is it only auditing of BTs?
  11. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster More Skeptical Than You

    The sole source of that report (singular) was an affidavit filed by Andre Tabayoyon dated 5 Mar 1994 in the Steve Fishman (and Uwe Gertz) court case. A copy of that affidavit may be viewed on Lermanet. In it, Andre says:

    This is what Sinar Parman had to say about the above affidavit in the following exchange with me Mon, Jul 9th 2012 @ 9:50 am:

    I immediately posted Sinar's reply to my PM above in the Facebook group SP's R' Us at the time and included a linkback to
    Sinar's FB Profile so that anyone who doubted me could verify it.

    Since your reasoning is predicated upon an outright lie, ThetanExterior, your conclusions in the above comment (#29) are false, too.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    Ex-Sea Org and Declared SP
  12. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sarge Pfauth is quoted as saying: "Hubbard would walk around the ranch in his nightrobe, looking for “body thetans” that he said he could see."

    Therefore your statement that "The sole source of that report (singular) was an affidavit filed by Andre Tabayoyon dated 5 Mar 1994 in the Steve Fishman (and Uwe Gertz) court case" doesn't appear to be true.

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  13. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    Whoa, Vapor-9 GuLAXy sounds so very authentic, like something the Commodore would really say!

    The problem I have with it is that when I was channeling Ron in the theta universe, I was literally writing down everything he said VERBATIM!

    What was I to do when he said "Star Mist Galaxy"? Cut his com? Question Ron whether his answer was really right. The last time I made that mistake, Ron got a dirty needle and I ended up in a chain locker. But that shouldn't give anyone negative ideas about Dr. Hubbard, because it wasn't as entheta as some people natter about. There was cable TV in there and a slot through which they could slide in my pizza deliveries.
  14. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    Wasn't it in fact called "Star Mist Withhold Gahluxy?
  15. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Perhaps Hubbard was caught up in a ser fac of his own manufacture in that bt's had to be real or it would make a liar out of him, or expose him as such at least. So he had to dramatize "seeing them" in order to prove he was less a kook liar and more a kook of a kook, besieged by them, shifting the blame and guilt upon "them" and away from hiself. After all no one knew more of what a fallacy they are so he could never drop his guard and had to pretend to be seeing them everywhere much in the same fashion as he pretended to be watching a ship pass by in the harbor while purporting to be exterior delivering a lecture only that it was a different vessel than normally came by at exactly that time which he was counting on to sell the course room that he was truly exterior. And the room laughed nervously...The man was a sham!
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  16. uncover

    uncover Gold Meritorious Patron

    Exactly......and not to forget Jesse Prince's post from September 5, 1998:

    So Sneakster Hobson's statement is twice not true.
  17. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    Hubbard supposedly demonstrated psychic perception to Jack Parsons in the mid 1940s. Followed by decades of drug use to get inspiration for his new religion. Didn't Rudolph Steiner operate on the theory that schizophrenic hallucinations were not hallucinations but paranormal perceptions? And isn't there an expression "charming as a schizophrenic?" I suspect Hubbard was a high-functioning schizophrenic who finally finally lost it in old age. So he probably was actually seeing BTs everywhere.
  18. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Remember all that stuff about chains and basic-basic and FPRD running of chains to the basic on the chain and NED chains and all the yap about the only thing psychs can do is restimulate incidents on the track and they're basically punks who can't hold a candle on what's been done on the track and the track goes back so far as in this Broeker pic that was "ooohed" and "aaahed" over:


    And we're fucking around with a 75,000,000 year old incident? For 6 OT levels?

    Does that sound stupid?
  19. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    What this looks like to me . . . nothing else was working to resolve the current
    situation, so might as well try a "Hail Mary" date and locate. Just keep writing
    and writing down numbers that come to mind in a stream of conscious fashion
    and see if something blows or erases.
    Might as well at this point, I guess. :shrug:
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  20. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I'm just saying that Scientology's own theory is inconsistent. Remember all the yap that if one wanted good legs one didn't validate/address bad legs and the solution was to audit out the prime postulate of good legs?

    Why not just audit out "native state" and be done with it?