After Scientology

[Secrete Squirrel]

Here on some thoughts on how the church should be organized if DM is ever gone.

1. A council of 21 persons who are drafted from Sea Org CO’s and selected based exclusively on their stats. They are the In-charges of all senior executive appointments. Their appointment would be four year rotating terms and no ability to serve for more than 1 term.

2. They appoint all senior executive posts and only have the power to appoint and fire, not give orders.

3. All the existing organizations, Int management, RTC, watchdog committee are kept but the organizational structure is flattened with the 3 of them operating like a government with 3 branches. RTC acts like a prosecutor, watchdog committee is like the supreme court, and management manages under the supervision of the council. Basically a structure composed of 3 branches; Tech enforcement (RTC) Court system (watchdog committee) and Management (executive).

4. Both RTC and Watchdog have regional offices where regular Scientologist can bring “suit” (Comm Ev) against each other for a fee or the church for free unless the church is exonerated. All cases are resolved according to Tech and Policy. Injustices are referred to local churches for handling with a court order (Comm Ev Order)

5. To declare someone a Comm Ev must be formed and proof of a criminal act or suppressive act must be provided. All proof of criminal behavior is based on external police findings. To be guilty of a suppressive act a reference in policy or tech must state that it is suppressive.

5. A constitution to codify all of it.

I believe this would prevent power from being too concentrated. Do you think it would work? Just a pipe dream?

Tell me your thoughts!

 

[Dulloldfart]

Tell me your thoughts!

Have you written out the Strat Planning for how Target 2 should be brought into line?

Paul

 

[Secrete Squirrel]

No, its just a random thought. I figure that DM and ilk will be gone someday and someone should think up a change in management structure or I will be the same old story all over again.

 

[Operating DB]

Here are my thoughts on how the so called "church" should be organized when, not if, DM is gone. On second thought never mind. My thoughts are too controversial.

 

[Secrete Squirrel]

But if you wend after RTC with criminal charges (forced abortion, DM assulting people etc.) you might be able to get some senior Execs to turn on him under threat of jail and gain control

 

[Secrete Squirrel]

You would have to take down int management the way the Mafia was destroyed. Target people, get them to turn on each other. Get them all to confess. Send a mass mailing of their confessions to a Scientology mailing list. Get the news involved. Get someone on the inside to stage a coup. Get an outside agency to gain control.

 

[Dave]

Ordering the order

Here on some thoughts on how the church should be organized if DM is ever gone.
I believe this would prevent power from being too concentrated. Do you think it would work? Just a pipe dream?

Tell me your thoughts!

The problem is that what happened was in violation of existing policy even while LRH was living.

LRH missions, Commodores Messingers, and Flag missions operated outside policy resrictions.

It was the LRH or Flag missions that began eroding policy because they created the hidden data line that Hubbard claimed did not exist. Missions were allowed to violate ethics and justice PLs, personell policy and operated on verbal orders all clear violations of LRH org tech. There was zero accountability and no one dared ask to see anything in writing from Ron from Captain Bill.

What was done was create exception due to crisis. When the dust settled there is only ongoing crisis.

 

[aaron saxton]

Ugh

Why do we need a Sea Org anyways?

The SO is not there to protect Scientology. It never was.

It was there to use Scientology to forward certain goals.

No Sea Org. At all. None thanks.

The current policy and structure of the SO allows of the dismissal of DM. The mechanisim is already there.

The problem is that no one in the Church of Scientology is willing to implement the policy.

So what is the point of creating another policy or structure?

If no one is going to apply it, then no one is...

If people want to go buy an LRH book, let them go. No one needs to be around the control auditing or standard tech. It is all in the books. If the guy reads it, and doesnt want to follow KSW 1, then there is realyl no point in the org.

I find it bafling that anyone would consider even a restructure. Destroy the whole thing for the benefit of Scientology public and the world in general.

 

[Zinjifar]

But if you wend after RTC with criminal charges (forced abortion, DM assulting people etc.) you might be able to get some senior Execs to turn on him under threat of jail and gain control

Any prosecution of Scientology entities for any reason will lead to further prosecutions. It's like a tatty sweater and pulling the string.

Which, even beyond fear of his own prosecution, is why Marty Rathbun is so dead set against criminal investigation/prosecution of Scientology and Scientologists.

An investigated and prosecuted Scientology will be a defunct Scientology.

But, why do Scientologists even *need* the 'Church' of Scientology? It's not only the Sea Org that's corrupt and criminal; it's the 'Church' as a whole.

It's also unnecessary. The materials are and will be available and, if people want to 'practice' the (ahem) religion, they can. Sure, such political goals as 'Clearing the Planet' will be impossible, but, they already are.

Zinj

 

[Blue Spirit]

You See It Like It Is / Was

The problem is that what happened was in violation of existing policy even while LRH was living.

LRH missions, Commodores Messingers, and Flag missions operated outside policy resrictions.

It was the LRH or Flag missions that began eroding policy because they created the hidden data line that Hubbard claimed did not exist. Missions were allowed to violate ethics and justice PLs, personell policy and operated on verbal orders all clear violations of LRH org tech. There was zero accountability and no one dared ask to see anything in writing from Ron from Captain Bill.

What was done was create exception due to crisis. When the dust settled there is only ongoing crisis.

A very accurate assessment.

I'm at a loss to understand why no Mutiny ever occurred from Int.

Management people. I guess it is the "Stockholm Syndrome"

R2-45 might work on him, but then he does have a very hard head !

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Here on some thoughts on how the church should be organized if DM is ever gone.

1. A council of 21 persons who are drafted from Sea Org CO’s and selected based exclusively on their stats. They are the In-charges of all senior executive appointments. Their appointment would be four year rotating terms and no ability to serve for more than 1 term.


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I believe this would prevent power from being too concentrated. Do you think it would work? Just a pipe dream?

Tell me your thoughts!

That's some strong sh@t you're smoking.

SO was a BAD idea from its inception. Allowing it to continue to "manage" any official organs, churches, or institutions of the Co$ would be nothing short of stupid. The great majority of the abuses of scientology have only been possible because of the SO and the attitudes that motivate its continuance.


Mark A. Baker

 

[SuperPowers]

After he's gone ...

... after he's gone ... :

Well, what will we have ... in theory things are quite simple ...

But remember, CoS is built on the very words of Hubbard ...
so what will a bunch of new Squirrels (21) be able to do about it?

Sorry for the salt ...