Agreement In MartyLand: Hypnotism is Reverse Scientology

[Zinjifar]

In a recent post to his blog,

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/reverse-scientology-hypnotism/#comments

Marty has decided to delve into the subject of Scientology and Hypnotism, including bring in some of Ron's *own* discussion of the subject.

It's an interesting thread to read, especially considering similar discussions/arguments here on ESMB going back for years.

Lucky for Marty, his gushers *agree* with him (And Ron!)

Zinj

 

[Infinite]

Its all about "agreement" isn't it . . . which raises the question in relation to MartyLand: who is hypnotising whom?

 

[themadhair]

Its all about "agreement" isn't it . . . which raises the question in relation to MartyLand: who is hypnotising whom?

This is worth emphasising. A lot of people have misconceptions about how hypnotism works. It mostly operates via suggestion, the upshot being that it requires the voluntary agreement of the adherent in order to produce an effect….

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

There are so many pornographically cringeful moments in Rathbun's manifesto & cautionary tale about hypnotism it's hard to know where to begin.

Let me see if I can get this straight.

The con man Hubbard hypnotizes Scientologists, rendering them into money-donating zombies who are told to smile and act like they are winning, no matter how screwed up things are. His best subject is David Miscavige, who rose above all the other trance-induced subjects.

Then Miscavige hypnotized Marty and beat him up while giving him the hypnotic commands that he was saving the world. He also hypnotized Marty (so Marty says) to beat up others and to supervise others beating up others.

Then Marty broke free of Miscavige's hypnotic spell and set up his own hypnosis shingle at his the Indie Hypnosis Shack.

Then Marty hypnotizes other breakaway hypnosis subjects and they all get together and complain about Miscavige's hypnosis subjects.

But they praise Ron's hypnosis as the best hypnosis that will un-hynotize mankind.

And they read Ron's words about how he is against hypnotism and feel very very sure that he is telling the truth.

Let's listen to Ron, shall we?

"We are undoing the agreements which people have been making for 76 trillion years. Only we’re undoing them, so this makes them freer and freer and freer. Now, show you this fellow on the stage who simply gets the audience to agree and agree and agree and agree and then tells them the place is on fire. Oh? He isn’t really going in the direction of making them freer, is he? His intention for this is entirely different."​

Sure Ron, we believe you--especially the part about how you are making us freer and freer after 76 trillion years. And we know you didn't really mean "the place was on fire" when you told us that we urgently needed to give you $360,000 to save our souls from the "Wall of Fire". It was just a coincidence that you yelled "FIRE!" but you really, really didn't mean it that way, right?

 

[GreyWolf]

I cannot believe that he is still trying to put it all on DM when even in the words of LRH you can see that it has been that way all along.

 

[Zinjifar]

Scientology is anti-hypnotism
Scientology is anti-hypnotism
Scientology is anti-hypnotism
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Zinj

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

This is worth emphasising. A lot of people have misconceptions about how hypnotism works. It mostly operates via suggestion, the upshot being that it requires the voluntary agreement of the adherent in order to produce an effect….

Well, that's reassuring... But I'm not intirely satisfied that this is so.

There's scientologist parents rejecting their own kids.. Hmm.. Of course, you could say that Scientology 'established' the 'agreement' first.. Conditioning, suggestion, hypnosis and intellectual hoodwink..

Yea.. That's how it's done.

 

[AngeloV]

The hypnotized leading the hypnotized to zombie-ville on the total freedom train. Next stop, delusion city.

 

[Zinjifar]

This is worth emphasising. A lot of people have misconceptions about how hypnotism works. It mostly operates via suggestion, the upshot being that it requires the voluntary agreement of the adherent in order to produce an effect….

The operative word here is *voluntary* which can mean many different things; like the voluntary check that the little old lady turns over to the scammer and the 'voluntary' open manhole a cloud-watcher falls in...

Zinj

 

[Type4_PTS]

I cannot believe that he is still trying to put it all on DM when even in the words of LRH you can see that it has been that way all along.

He IS trying to put it all on DM but he is allowing *some* posts that point to other responsible parties, such as this one:
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alanzo | September 26, 2010 at 11:49 am | Reply

“We ask them to question it. We ask them to please look at the physical universe around you, please look at people, at your own mind and understand, thereby, that what we are talking about happens to be actual.” (emphasis mine)

Notice that LRH is not saying “we ask them to please look at the physical universe around you, please look at people, at your own mind and understand thereby”….that you are capable of figuring things out on your own, that your own interpretations of these things are valid.

No.

He is getting you to agree that “what we are talking about happens to be actual.”

This itself is a plea for agreement. This itself is a positive suggestion.

And most importantly, within 12 years of speaking these words, L Ron Hubbard went on to design the Sea Org military uniforms, the command channels, the RPF, and every other tool of coercive agreement that exists in Scientology. He created a multitude of them.

He created an onslaught.

Why do you consistently distract from the source of these things and look only at David Miscavige, who is simply applying LRH’s own tools of coercive agreement for blood?

Don’t get me wrong, David Miscavige is bad, bad, bad, just as you say. But why don’t you look at what he DOES that is so bad, and allow yourself to see where it came from?

I am sincerely asking. I do not understand why you consistently overlook the primary source of these things and fixate on David Miscavige, a secondary cause.

Please explain.

If you explain, I won’t ask again. Because then I will understand.

So please, explain.

Thanks.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

In response to the following comment on the thread ...

Victoria | September 26, 2010 at 7:31 am | Reply

“Is there really any question why once intelligent and caring people are now acting like so many cattle dutifully lining up for slaughter?”

Yeah, I still don’t get it. Maybe I never will.

... I have posted the following.

Mark A. Baker | September 28, 2010 at 6:53 pm | Reply
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I never found it in the least mysterious given that so many SO recruits back in the ’70s signed “billion year contracts” as an irrational expression of faith alone, without either thought or reason.

As time has illustrated all too clearly, people of such character can easily be made to do ANYTHING.

Status: awaiting moderation.


Mark A. Baker

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

There are so many pornographically cringeful moments in Rathbun's manifesto & cautionary tale about hypnotism it's hard to know where to begin.

Let me see if I can get this straight.

The con man Hubbard hypnotizes Scientologists, rendering them into money-donating zombies who are told to smile and act like they are winning, no matter how screwed up things are. His best subject is David Miscavige, who rose above all the other trance-induced subjects.

Then Miscavige hypnotized Marty and beat him up while giving him the hypnotic commands that he was saving the world. He also hypnotized Marty (so Marty says) to beat up others and to supervise others beating up others.

Then Marty broke free of Miscavige's hypnotic spell and set up his own hypnosis shingle at his the Indie Hypnosis Shack.

Then Marty hypnotizes other breakaway hypnosis subjects and they all get together and complain about Miscavige's hypnosis subjects.

But they praise Ron's hypnosis as the best hypnosis that will un-hynotize mankind.

And they read Ron's words about how he is against hypnotism and feel very very sure that he is telling the truth.

Let's listen to Ron, shall we?

"We are undoing the agreements which people have been making for 76 trillion years. Only we’re undoing them, so this makes them freer and freer and freer. Now, show you this fellow on the stage who simply gets the audience to agree and agree and agree and agree and then tells them the place is on fire. Oh? He isn’t really going in the direction of making them freer, is he? His intention for this is entirely different."​

Sure Ron, we believe you--especially the part about how you are making us freer and freer after 76 trillion years. And we know you didn't really mean "the place was on fire" when you told us that we urgently needed to give you $360,000 to save our souls from the "Wall of Fire". It was just a coincidence that you yelled "FIRE!" but you really, really didn't mean it that way, right?

Alonzo is the MAN!!

Meanwhile, back to polishing my TV!!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Scientology is anti-hypnotism
Scientology is anti-hypnotism
Scientology is anti-hypnotism
99
98
97...

Zinj

lolol!

Wait! That jarred my amnesia....I think I just started to remember the last moments before I went unconscious....

"Somebody spoke and I went into a Reg office."
(Beatles, The Green Album)​