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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Proximity? I dont think so. I am not in Texas.

So, its just a guess then? hmmmmm......

Proximity as opposed to Emma, who is also tech trained, but in Melbourne, Australia.

As Vinaire said, purely a guess on my part.

But if I were Alan, you would be the one I would want in my cult.
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Maybe you should go down there and investigate it and give a full report. Observation missions are still in useful, huh?

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Observation missions are only useful if the observer can observe!

After all wouldn't we all be effortlessly rich and happy if we had accurate observations?

The right stock at the right time, the right bet at the right time, the right investment at the right time, the right partner at the right time, etc., etc.

There would be no case, no losses, no misunderstoods, no wrong items, no cults, no bad conditions, no upsets, no problems, no O/Ws......why we would be living in a PT Gold Zone heaven wouldn't we.

Alan
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
:roflmao:

Observation missions are only useful if the observer can observe!

After all wouldn't we all be effortlessly rich and happy if we had accurate observations?

The right stock at the right time, the right bet at the right time, the right investment at the right time, the right partner at the right time, etc., etc.

There would be no case, no losses, no misunderstoods, no wrong items, no cults, no bad conditions, no upsets, no problems, no O/Ws......why we would be in living in heaven wouldn't we.

Alan

You seem to be describing my house.

Have you been there?
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Proximity as opposed to Emma, who is also tech trained, but in Melbourne, Australia.

As Vinaire said, purely a guess on my part.

But if I were Alan, you would be the one I would want in my cult.

No! It is not Bea.

Bea is doing the right actions for her.

The last thing Bea needs is to give up is her own space, own time, own energy or own dreams.

The ESMB is a wonderful contact assist for her (as it is for many of us) - for she can live her own life and come and go as she pleases. Think what she likes, do what she likes - she's one smart lady. :thumbsup:

Alan
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
No! It is not Bea.

Bea is doing the right actions for her.

The last thing Bea needs is to give up is her own space, own time, own energy or own dreams.

The ESMB is a wonderful contact assist for her (as it is for many of us) - for she can live her own life and come and go as she pleases. Think what she likes, do what she likes - she's one smart lady. :thumbsup:

Alan

Who is it, then?

Name, Want, Get!
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I know, Alan.

You don't have to answer to anyone.

As an Ascended Master anyone who would question you would be doing so only out of their "case". And the answers wouldn't do them any good anyway because they are so wrapped up in their case that they are incapable of seeing the truth.

Therefore, you don't have to answer to anyone.

Is that the reasoning behind your refusal to answer questions about rights and safeguards against abuse in "Knowledgism"? Because the reasons you gave before can not be true. You are publishing books on ESMB, with the processes deleted, etc. and are obviously proselytizing and promoting.

And anyway, "Rights??? What has rights? Those computing circuits, those engrams have RIGHTS?"

Right?
 

Roland ami

Patron with Honors
Meltdown

Just to add to the worries, here in Orange County in the USA, I have had peripheral connections with the mortgage industry. The rumours are that pretty much every single mortgage taken out over the last five years or so has been fraudulent in one way or another.

Here the average income must be something like $100K; for a couple that's $200K; the typical house is about $1M; the typical mortgage is 80-90% of that - say $800K. At 5% that's a $5K per month payment. But they've also got a BMW and some kind of SUV - say $2K a month for those. They are paying about 35% of their income in taxes. So they are paying 70 + 60+24 = 154K before they start. That only leaves a bit less than $4K per month living expenses. School costs can eat that up with no problem. So what they do is to fake the mortgage application, get it on a low initial rate variable basis, and live the high life.

There are whole neighbourhoods living like this. Thousands and thousands of people. Now that house prices aren't going up, it just isn't going to be sustainable. All those teaser rates are going to be resetting over the next couple of years - and all those mortgages are just-off-prime jumbos. They are rated as AAA bonds when they are repackaged as CDOs and resold. There must be trillions of dollars of AAA bonds that are going to evaporate over the next couple of years. It isn't just the sub-prime loans that are going to go sour, it's the lot of them. This is really why credit has suddenly dried up - the financial guys are aware of this.

It's a scary prospect.

Alan is right - people's banks are PT. Whole track is just a way of escaping from reality.

Roland
 

everfree

Patron Meritorious
Whether one falls for a trick or not, depends on one's case.

I survived through Scientology without falling for the tricks that characterize the current Church of Scientology. The key factor is ETHICS (rationality). Just see how it has been corrupted in the current CoS.

I left in 1983 because of the misapplication of ethics.

As I recall, after years of servitude in SO, you - MIT grad, philosopher extraordvinaire - were RPFed for "stupidity", is that not correct? But you didn't fall for a trick?

I went back in 1999 to assess the state of ethics. When I was kicked out of the Special Schedule Course in early 2000 I again smelled misapplication of ethics. I postulated to pursue that ethics situation until it was resolved. CoS ignored it.

I went back to Tampa Org in 2005-06 to learn all about Scientology ethics so I could steer my way through it. Early 2006 I was finally successful in getting attention of LRH Comm FSO to get a Board of Review called. In the first meeting it was clear how Flag terminals had goofed up. But to this day I have not received the findings of that B of R.

To me this was a test of how Ethics and Justice is being followed at Flag.

From their viewpoint, allowing a "dilletante, panty waist" schedule like yours is what would be considered unethical, not forcing you to "quit fast". They most likely called the Board in an effort to placate you, but not much hope that it would amount to anything since the orders to get people out of Special Schedule courseroom and onto full time schedules in the real Academy most likely came from high up the org board, maybe even from CMO/RTC level, and they were not going to succumb to your "namby pamby" wishes.

Understand, I don't think you were being "namby pamby" or any of that stuff, I'm just telling you the viewpoint they were probably coming from and the policy they were operating on.

To them, the real outpoint was that you didn't have the "fixed, dedicated glare", so they were not going to show "ethics change" because to them it was you who was unethical. From their viewpoint, they were most likely bending over backwards calling a Board for you at all.
 

everfree

Patron Meritorious
I wish that were so - but Alonzo is in a very fixed identity and condition - one which requires him to super-impose his terrified ideas and visions onto others.

Alanzo asked a pretty straight forward question which has yet to be answered. Just trying to make less of him isn't going to help.

What safeguards have you built into your philosophy and group to keep it from becoming exploitive or abusive?
 

everfree

Patron Meritorious
Guess not, 'cause to me it just looks like you engage in personal attacks in order to avoid answering a simple question with a simple answer.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I guess you can't read or discern either! :(

Alan - Everfree is probably one of the most intelligent people I've ever engaged with on the Internet.

You are really not handling this well.

Why don't you just answer the question?

Since you aren't, against all rational reasons, I have to conclude that you are not especially interested in the rights of your staff and followers. Just as LRH was not. I go ahead and assume that because anyone who WAS interested in the rights of their staff and followers would EAGERLY answer, and would be filled with wisdom and zeal about it, and it would be an important aspect of the group, especially after you experienced what you say you have experienced.

This is missing from you, despite many different types of invitations to display it.

So, until I see evidence to the contrary, I will consider Knowledgism a cult.

And I will do what I can to warn people on this board, people who have already been FUCKED WITH enough, to stay away from it.
 
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Bea Kiddo

Crusader
No! It is not Bea.

Bea is doing the right actions for her.

The last thing Bea needs is to give up is her own space, own time, own energy or own dreams.

The ESMB is a wonderful contact assist for her (as it is for many of us) - for she can live her own life and come and go as she pleases. Think what she likes, do what she likes - she's one smart lady. :thumbsup:

Alan


Thank you for the compliments. However, did you ever think maybe the way I am here is a valence? Maybe my writing makes me sound like I need a contact assist. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Who knows.

although I did miss out on childhood.... and being a kid again sounds kinda cool..... hmmmmmmmmm.
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Guess not, 'cause to me it just looks like you engage in personal attacks in order to avoid answering a simple question with a simple answer.

C'mon everfree - that was a simple answer!

:bigcry:

I could have worded it differently, but I wouldn't have got the same reaction from Alanzo.

The question was : What safeguards have you built into your philosophy and group to keep it from becoming exploitive or abusive?

My answer was: I guess you can't read or discern either!

I could have written; there is no way over the long run to safeguard a philosophy and group to keep it from becoming exploitive or abusive. It is up to each person to be able to observe and be discerning.

Alan
 
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