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Aleister Crowley a Scientologist?

Carnaubawax

Patron Meritorious
Pardon my French.

Bullshit.

I come from a long line of Freemasons (Scottish Rite), and both my Mother & Grandmother were Daughters of the Eastern Star. (I, myself, was offered the opportunity to pledge for the same). :)

And both my Maternal Grandparents belonged to families that owned successful buisnesses.

OK then, Freemasons are losers who can't make it in life by themselves; except for the above mentioned, who can and did.
 

Aliceinwonderland

Patron with Honors
From RJ67 ( https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/scientology-rons-journal-wall-of-fire-transcript.pdf )

"The organization, under the direction of Mary Sue, employed - and actually had employed earlier than I returned from southern Africa - employed several professional intelligence agents who had long and successful professional backgrounds, and they looked into this matter for us, and the results of their activities - although still in progress - have told us all that we needed to know with regard to any enemy we had on this planet. Our enemies on this planet are less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains, and they are, oddly enough, directors in all the mental health groups in the world which have sprung up. Now these chaps are very interesting fellows: They have fantastically corrupt backgrounds; illegitimate children; government graft; a very unsavory lot. And they apparently, sometime in the rather distant past, had determined on a course of action. Being in control of most of the gold supplies of the planet, they entered upon a program of bringing every government to bankruptcy and under their thumb, so that no government would be able to act politically without their permission."

Axiom142

Excellent! Thank you so much for locating that. :) L
 

Aliceinwonderland

Patron with Honors
OK then, Freemasons are losers who can't make it in life by themselves: except for the above mentioned, who can and did.

Actually, it isn't just Freemasons. There is a heirarchy of fraternities (you could say).

Its funny that LRH never mentioned that the World Bank was held by Illuminati and Freemasons. He left that part out. I wonder if he had actually said that, back then, if he would have been rooted out and killed.

Now - it doesn't matter. The "New World Order", etc., has nothing to hide. Its too late as those in control of the banks, news, etc., don't have a whole lot of people who know how to oppose or do much about it. At least I don't know of anyone who does. Its global now, not just U.S.

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Carnaubawax

Patron Meritorious
Actually, it isn't just Freemasons. There is a heirarchy of fraternities (you could say).

Its funny that LRH never mentioned that the World Bank was held by Illuminati and Freemasons. He left that part out. I wonder if he had actually said that, back then, if he would have been rooted out and killed.

Now - it doesn't matter. The "New World Order", etc., has nothing to hide. Its too late as those in control of the banks, news, etc., don't have a whole lot of people who know how to oppose or do much about it. At least I don't know of anyone who does. Its global now, not just U.S.

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Fat lady is sittin there lookin pretty, but she ain't sung nuthin yet...
 

Aliceinwonderland

Patron with Honors
Pardon my French.

Bullshit.

I come from a long line of Freemasons (Scottish Rite), and both my Mother & Grandmother were Daughters of the Eastern Star. (I, myself, was offered the opportunity to pledge for the same). :)

And both my Maternal Grandparents belonged to families that owned successful buisnesses.

So far, from what I've gathered, because Freemasons can maintain a group and have had support for each other, its "why" they are not losers. A group of people who can share similar beliefs and work together are hardly going to be losers.

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clearcat

Patron with Honors
Crowley was a masterful writer.....poet....and what ever term would describe what would now be called a playful troll on the internet, except in words on paper, the internet of his day.

I think it is important to view his work in the context of his times, the late and post victorian era...He was rebeling from the closed thinking and entrenched mores of the time in a manner that was sure to antagonise the establishment, and draw to him those bright but outcast types who always seem to move society forward.

He is quoted as being dismissive of Hubbard, if I remember calling him a confidence trickster...

So in the lineage of scientology he certainly has his place, but certainly is not connected to it by other than inspiration.

Agree to that, and MAGIC was the only connection in my opinion that was ever made by LRH... I have his tarot cards, and I think they speak truth.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
I am an inactive Freemason; Master Mason, Scottish Rite 32nd degree, (although I know the 33rd degree doctrine) York Rite Knight Templar, and Shriner, and my wife was an Eastern Star officer.

The men that I met involved with masonry were usually not unusual. They were everything from construction workers, police, to wealthy business owners and Judges.

I suspect most of them got involved with the idea it would lead to social and business advancement. They are not privy to any real occult secrets, as the ceremonial degrees are very heavily veiled.

I became involved with more esoteric orders that where not under the direct auspices of international freemasonry, but had very shadowy connections to whatever is behind them all. (check out lvx.org ).

I learned from higher grade members in this Order that freemasonry originally was sort of a seeding ground/sieve for more secret organizations. It may claim ancient roots, but it's current form actually was founded in the early 17th century shortly after the appearance in Europe of the "Confessio Fraternitatis R.C. ad Eruditos Europae" (Confession of the Rosicrucian Fraternity) and the "Fama Fraternitatis" (Fame of the Fraternity) of the same.

These can be read in Paul Cases "The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order" Apparently they began appearing in intellectual circles, first in Germany around 1610, with printed versions showing up a few years later.

I was told that because of the invention of the printing press, it was decided that certain secret orders that had been around for quite some time and maintained at the same level of membership should be expanded. Freemasonry is sort of introductory secret society, and men who showed aptitude for occult ceremonial and doctrine were singled out and confidentially invited to higher, more secret orders.

Over time, it became lost to even the highest level leadership in Masonry that this was it's original purpose, but still sometimes functions in this capacity, although rarely.

Today, Masonry has been decreasing in membership for decades, and is sort of a social club for mostly elderly members who do laudable charitable works, and almost universally have no idea what the rituals, dogmas, symbols, regalia, degrees, etc mean, except for vague references in said degrees. They do understand the simple moral and ethical lessons imparted at times in the degrees, and benefit to the degree that they follow these.

At the top of this, at the 33rd degree, you use to be introduced to the "Luciferian doctrine". I've heard that the modern degree is less forthcoming, but I'm not sure how. The original, that you can read about in Albert Pikes "Morals and Dogma" basically says that Lucifer is the real God, and Jehovah is the real baddie. This cat is out of the bag, and is the main cause for criticism in modern times for obvious reasons.

Only a small percent of Scottish Rite Masons become 33 degree "Grand Inspector Generals". This seems to be only awarded after considerable time and money is given to the organization and it's charitable works. The rest of the lower grades are pretty much done by any member if he stays in a while, at least in American Scottish Rite.
 
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Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
I knew a former top leader in the "OTO" organization that was re-designed by Crowley in the early 20th century. 'Jim' told me that Hubbard was actually an 'ultra-thelemist'. Thelema being the main philosopy propounded by Crowley that basically is usually interpreted as finding your true purpose or 'true will' in life, and when you do that, you have a source of inexhaustible power. The ultra thelemist believes anything he has the will to do gives him the right to do it, and the right to destroy anyone who crosses him.

Sound like anyone we know?
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Yes, that does sound like someone I met on the written page. This is why Hubbard was known as a magus of the "Left Hand Path". I see there is a thread on this board about that already here.
 
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