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Clay Pigeon

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Dr. Hubbard's commercial grade poetic liscence was in good working order Hoaxie thus he is entirely qualified to produce fiction in word or pen at anytime.

The charge of lying against L. Ron Hubbard was DOA upon the publication of DMSMH.
 

Clay Pigeon

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Pitsy!!!

Thank you for your ever diligent devoted and devilish shifts on this ice. You lead all skaters on your team in shots on goal and some of them whistle and sizzle as they come in. And make a righteous clang against the glass when deftly deflected.

Yes.

Our brash and mischievous redhaired kid from the great plains is unmentioned on the list (though you would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed. A number dwarfed by those who plagiarized Ron.

And...

One does not find Dr. Martin Luther King on the list. Was the martyred churchman not a philosopher?

Barry Goldwater's name is prominently absent as well. I recall him being frequently referred to in the press as "one of America's leading Conservative philosopher. Is his best known book "Conscience of a Conservative" not a book on philosophy?

How about Leonard Cohen? Would you call the one who penned "Suzanne" and "The Master Song" as "merely a poet?

Elron appears to be in better company off the list than on.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Dr. Hubbard's commercial grade poetic liscence was in good working order Hoaxie thus he is entirely qualified to produce fiction in word or pen at anytime.
[bcolor=#ffff00]The[/bcolor] [bcolor=#993366]charge[/bcolor] [bcolor=#ff6600]of[/bcolor] [bcolor=#008000]lying [/bcolor]
[bcolor=#333333]against[/bcolor] [bcolor=#0000ff]L.[/bcolor] [bcolor=#800000]Ron [/bcolor][bcolor=#333399]Hubbard [/bcolor]
[bcolor=#666699]was[/bcolor] [bcolor=#ff00ff]DOA[/bcolor] [bcolor=#99cc00]upon[/bcolor] [bcolor=#0000ff]the [/bcolor]
[bcolor=#ff99cc]publication[/bcolor] [bcolor=#ff0000]of[/bcolor] [bcolor=#00ccff]DMSMH[/bcolor].


Psychedelic graphic motif edits (above) humbly tendered at no additional cost to ESMBkind.

I wonder what experts in the field of the human mind think of your canonization of Dr. Hubbard and DMSMH. . .

Let's ask one:


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I CAN LIKE TOTALLY LIKE "SEE" WHAT CLAY PIGEON IS
SAYING AND I ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENDORSE HIS MESSAGE!

Well, that certainly closes the door on any doubters or cynics. In a peer-reviewed study doctors agree!

Both Dr. Leary and Dr. Hubbard concur on the science!

Do your Bridge, people! Turn on, Tune In, Key Out!

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Clay Pigeon

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So anyway...

The thing that really cracks me up is watching the scilons and the antiscilons falling all over themselves trying to outstupid each other.

Obviously the OSA web monitor has his nose up my ass and has from post one in 2010 when he/she/it learned I was married to Greg Wilhere's sister and held him and CoS accountable for the wrongful death AND subsequent AND continuing coverup of my first born son (ticktickticktickticktick). They know who I am and where I am and when they don't they're getting PI's to track me down PRONTO!

Now any one of them who reads my current posts knows if they come up to me with $1000 they'll get the grand back within one year (along with a C-note) and over the next ten years receive somewhere between $100,000 and one million bucks.

They gotta be squirming..,

They gotta be begging their seniors who are telling them that I'm nothing but an entheta DB, SP out-ethics piece of SHIT and sticking their noses into the "dead agent" pack...

Heehee...

Which I intentionally salted with some (picayune, humdrum) SALACIOUS! SCANDALOUS! DREADFULLY PEJORATIVE material!!!

Telling them it's a hoax and a sham when anyone with two brain cells to rub together would be all over this and telling their friends to get on to the gravy train.

AND!!!

I just tightened the screws again by letting them in on my plan to give Phenomama's daughter 50 shares and putting them in her mother's grouch bag AND recommending those on ESMB with friends and family still in to do the same...

Quite seriously (though you needn't restrain your laughter) think about it. If you LOAN me $500 you will get $550 back within in one year

AND!!!

You will have 50 shares in your friends name collecting dividends. Within two years you'll be able to tell them there's $15,000 in cash and stock sitting around waiting for you to stop by the house for dinner and a pleasant evening's conversation.

But the web monitor's senior is pulling out Ron's writings on SP's telling them "Remember! SP's love practical jokes! This obvious pie-in-the-sky scam! There's no big payday. He's just a DB living on the street!!!"

Are they going to crap in their pants when they see me on CBS's "Sixty Minutes" in early December?

Want to see me tighten the screws a little bit harder?

Stay tuned.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
Our brash and mischievous redhaired kid from the great plains is unmentioned on the list (though you would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed.
I would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed?

Care to provide some examples?
 

Clay Pigeon

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[bcolor=#333333]against[/bcolor] [bcolor=#0000ff]L.[/bcolor] [bcolor=#800000]Ron [/bcolor][bcolor=#333399]Hubbard [/bcolor]



Psychedelic graphic motif edits (above) humbly tendered at no additional cost to ESMBkind.

I wonder what experts in the field of the human mind think of your canonization of Dr. Hubbard and DMSMH. . .

Let's ask one:


c90caae406f664036830de400b275dcb.jpg

I CAN LIKE TOTALLY LIKE "SEE" WHAT CLAY PIGEON IS
SAYING AND I ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENDORSE HIS MESSAGE!

Well, that certainly closes the door on any doubters or cynics. In a peer-reviewed study doctors agree!

Both Dr. Leary and Dr. Hubbard concur on the science!

Do your Bridge, people! Turn on, Tune In, Key Out!

.

.
Yeah man!

Far out, man, groovy. Cat's got a beautiful head man. You into Art Kleps and the Neo-American Church man? I'm a Boo Hoo my own bad self man. You know Klepsie got the name for his clergy from Elron's "History of Man". It"s in his book, man?
 

Clay Pigeon

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I would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed?

Care to provide some examples?
You don't think I'm gonna waste my time poring through that lame wussy ivory tower yap do you?

Checking out Wittegenstein is on my to do list. Also Chomsky and Korzybski.

You go dig into it and if you find anything worth reading let me now and I'll, out of respect for you, give it a flyby.

Love ya Pitsy.


You checking out the offer I'm posting?

Kick down a C-note or two and you'll make big bucks.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
You don't think I'm gonna waste my time poring through that lame wussy ivory tower yap do you?
You said:
"I would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed?"

I would think you'd have at least a single example in mind if you are going to make a statement such as this.

And if one real philosopher actually cited Hubbard in their writing I probably would be astonished. :D
 

HelluvaHoax!

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You said:
"I would be astonished how often he is cited in their writing by those listed?"

I would think you'd have at least a single example in mind if you are going to make a statement such as this.

And if one real philosopher actually cited Hubbard in their writing I probably would be astonished. :D
You have made a critical and fundamental error in logic.

The proof you seek is in the theta universe, not the MEST universe.

Keep going up the Bridge and it will all become "clear".
 

HelluvaHoax!

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You don't think I'm gonna waste my time poring through that lame wussy ivory tower yap do you?

Checking out Wittegenstein is on my to do list. Also Chomsky and Korzybski.

You go dig into it and if you find anything worth reading let me now and I'll, out of respect for you, give it a flyby.

Love ya Pitsy.


You checking out the offer I'm posting?

Kick down a C-note or two and you'll make big bucks.
Dude!

If you are not looking to get banned (again) you might want to not promote the sale of a security on the message board. I know you are not familiar with SEC regulations but let's make it simple. You can't publicly promote the sale of an investment that is not registered.

You should avail yourself of the recent internet loophole that has been very successfully used to raise capital on start-ups, wherein "crowdfunding" sites have launched a lot of new enterprises.

If you can format what you are selling in that way, you might find the dough you are looking for. But it will require more than hyperbolic promises.

Your choices:

-- Lottery
-- Befriending wacko trust fund guy who writes checks​
-- Crowdfunding​
-- Banned from ESMB for rules violations​
Choose wisely, my friend and I hope you succeed in whatever venture you are envisioning, I really do.​
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
You should avail yourself of the recent internet loophole that has been very successfully used to raise capital on start-ups, wherein "crowdfunding" sites have launched a lot of new enterprises.

If you can format what you are selling in that way, you might find the dough you are looking for. But it will require more than hyperbolic promises.
^^^^^^^^^^^ @Clay Pigeon, you were given some good advice here.

Educate yourself on (and using) crowdfunding would be the best way to go IMO. :thumbsup:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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. . .

Okay, just for fun (and in the remotest of possibilities that you will recognize and use this strategy):

Let's pretend someone came to me and pitched a venture like this. You for example. Well, founding and launching companies is my profession, so I might be able to save you a few hours (or decades) of wasted time and dead ends, lol

Let's further pretend that you tell me you need to raise "X" dollars and asked for my professional advice.

Let's assume for this hypothetical, that I was willing to give a month of my time to develop a plan that MIGHT increase your odds of getting the dough and business model you are dreaming of. Let's say, I will waive the $100K fee for the month and do it pro-bono.

Well, I already know what I would advise you, so now you have saved $100K, lol:

If I were in your position, with your resources (or lack thereof) and knowledge of business (or lack thereof), this is what i would do:

1) Recognize that I don't have a fucking clue how to raise money.
2) Recognize that I don't have any realistic idea of how to run and manage a company, especially one with investors' capital on the line.
3) Realize that my lack of a home/office or any business track record and all of the transiency of my existence would make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to raise capital and run a business---without some other help/resources.
4) I'd then try to figure out a CREATIVE way to bring in some resources and this would be my first avenue to try....
  • Try to find someone who knows how to do CROWDFUNDING and appeal to them to do it pro bono.
  • Try to find someone who has a home or an office who is willing to lend a hand with banking, an address to deliver to, ship from, a phone, computer, etc.
  • Give it your best shot to find both of the above.
  • But, since the above is not very likely to happen (since it will require someone to spend time/money to help you) start working on "Plan B" right away at the same time
PLAN B: Find a documentary filmmaker or a wannabe documentary filmmaker or a student filmmaker and pitch them the idea of doing a documentary called "CINDERELLA STORY". They will follow several dreamy eyed idealists, would be entrepreneurs and future Facebook founders in their quest to make a billion dollars (or whatever their dream is). You, sir Clay Pigeon, would be in that documentary right now, they would begin videoing you and/or giving you video cam (or good Mobile device) to track your exploits. You would represent the spectrum of the entrepreneurial scale that is starry-eyed utopian-belief. Not a bad thing, just not a very practical thing for making money, right?

They (the student documentary producers) would front you some dough and "sponsor" you and your project. They could easily set up your CROWDFUNDING account and handle the particulars of it for u (e.g. get someone in business classes to do your business plan, get someone studying marketing to give you kill-ass cool marketing materials, logos, powerpoint, et al)

Then you would have backing by an industrious GROUP of enthusiastic people who have a motivation OTHER THAN betting that you will make a lot of money.

They would do it as brilliant and compelling "content" for their documentary project.

And it would be incredibly colorful material for them, whether you succeeded at astral levels or crashed and burned from unrealistic ideas. See what I mean?

Perhaps then you could do what you are trying to do and get the "backing" (not just a few guys handing you a hundred bucks each, which will surely make you fail due to undercapitalization). Get it?

Okay, that'll be $100,000. Oops, forgot, it's pro bono.

But that advice is worth a lot more than $100K if your commercial venture succeeds even at the most modest of levels.

This is entrepreneurial ju-jitsu, dude. You use your weaknesses and leverage them into strengths. It's judo where you use the foes power and size against him. You have every conceivable weakness for a new venture, so don't fight it. Make it work FOR you.

I would say that there is a 99.999999999% chance that you will NOT follow this advice.

And even if you do, there's a 98% chance that your business will fail unless the team behind you fills in all the missing reality and functions that you will never bring to the venture.

This is how reality works.

If you find some really talented folks to throw down with you, maybe your idea goes viral and its a sensation.

You are in a labyrinth right now. You think you need a hundred bucks here and there to move to the next segment of the labryrinth, towards the "exit". But there is no exit in the labyrinth you are in. Viewed from above, it's just a closed trap that gives you the sensation that you can navigate it by yourself. You can't.

You need a plan that takes you OUT OF that labyrinth and OUT OF that paradigm and OUT OF that mythological view of how business works. You need a super creative idea to bring about an alchemical event.

That's what i would do if i were you. Find sponsors who want to make a documentary. Even if that doesn't work, you will then be hooked into the same network that can get you up and running with a crowdfunding site and partner(s).

Many would-be entrepreneurs have asked my advice "how to succeed". I always tell them one thing. I'll give you free advice but only if you follow it. Otherwise, I won't.

99.99 % of the time they don't follow it very early on and I stop helping them quite soon, even during the first conversation, lol.

But they later will tell people "the market is bad right now" or some other absurdity to explain why their brilliant idea failed.

I can tell stories all day long about this, but hey, "free service free fall!" LOL LOL

I will help someone who really deserves help.

I hope Clay Pigeon goes viral. That'd be sooooo cool.

I did my part. Not a $100 check---a $100,000 plan.

The consulting was free, keep it so. LOL




ps: Just in case by some intergalactic miracle you try to follow the advice, DO NOT ASK OR EXPECT anything from any documentary filmmakers. You are content. You are not the film's producer or a partner. Give it all away because that is the only slightest hope you have to attract people to your koolaid. (i.e. don't go all "Hollywood" and think you are making a movie, you ain't. Consider yourself blessed and lucky beyond imagination if someone actually "bites" and catches fire on doing an extended documentary like this.
 
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Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
. . .

4) I'd then try to figure out a CREATIVE way to bring in some resources and this would be my first avenue to try....
  • Try to find someone who knows how to do CROWDFUNDING and appeal to them to do it pro bono.
  • Try to find someone who has a home or an office who is willing to lend a hand with banking, an address to deliver to, ship from, a phone, computer, etc.
  • Give it your best shot to find both of the above.
If I were Clay Pigeon, I'd ask you this...

In order to entice people who could help with those things you mentioned above, what is reasonable to offer them in exchange should the business succeed?

Should I offer someone who is an expert in crowdfunding a percentage of the money raised?
 

HelluvaHoax!

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If I were Clay Pigeon, I'd ask you this...

In order to entice people who could help with those things you mentioned above, what is reasonable to offer them in exchange should the business succeed?

Should I offer someone who is an expert in crowdfunding a percentage of the money raised?
I think you mean people who contribute to the business (not a documentary) right?

The negotiation depends on who the entrepreneur is that is asking for their contribution of time, resources, money, expertise, etc.

In Clay Pigeon's case, he is bringing nothing but a concept to the table. I have no idea what it is, but in all likelihood, it's a concept that:

a) has no market demand
b) even if there is market demand, the cost to get it to market and margin of profit (during) sales doesn't support the venture more than maybe paying a few people's car payment.
c) the concept, if developed, might go somewhere exciting. That is always a possibility.

Since CP is bringing 1% and hoping someone can deliver the 99% of what it takes, he should make virtually ANY deal that he can make. If they (for example) wanted to be a "partner" at 50%, sure why not? Without them there is no venture.

The more CP brings to the table, the more resources he can attract and the more he can retain without dilution of his shares/participation. There are no rules, it's "whatever the market bears".

Nobody is seriously going to invest serious money into a venture managed by a free-spirited soul who doesn't have a home or computer or any resources. Not going to happen.

But if folks join up, anything is possible.

Even if they take the entire idea over and CP retains a "ROYALTY" on each unit sold, he should offer sacrifices and eternal gratitude to the Gods Of Business, LOL

I don't know if I am answering your question with the articulation you are looking for. I am happy to answer more if it is interesting to you.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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If I were Clay Pigeon, I'd ask you this...

In order to entice people who could help with those things you mentioned above, what is reasonable to offer them in exchange should the business succeed?

Should I offer someone who is an expert in crowdfunding a percentage of the money raised?
Yes, sure.

But, they may need to show up in the deal as a principal so that it doesn't become deemed a "finder's fee" that most states and the fed gov't won't allow unless payment (commission) is to a licensed broker/dealer.

I am sure there are billions of dollars of gray market "finders fees" that regulators have not closed down. Just mentioning it so that anyone reading the advice doesn't think that its automatic that you can pay someone (cash) for raising money who is not licensed to raise money. It's a gray area but good for entrepreneurs to set it up right so it doesn't blow up later. Look, it probably will never be looked at by anyone, but yes, the person(s) helping capitalize the business certainly have to be given consideration. Easier to give them EQUITY and perhaps some cash salary out of the venture than a straight "finder's fee" deal.

It's an easy problem to solve. Finding the investors is the actual problem of course. LOL
 

Clay Pigeon

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^^^^^^^^^^^ @Clay Pigeon, you were given some good advice here.

Educate yourself on (and using) crowdfunding would be the best way to go IMO. :thumbsup:

As I said, I don't need the money of anyone on ESMB.

My primary demographic is homeless and I can raise $50,000 from them easily. My first priority is to get some decent $$$ into the hands of people living on tax dollars, quite likely enough to get them off tax dollars. This is an exercise in what Dubya calls "Compassionate Conservatism" and I'll be playing the media like a harmonica. I'll have a reporter from The Chronicle tagging along with me the next three days here Baghdad by the Bay and another from The Oakland Tribune when I'm over in the east bay over the next three days. I am, of course, making the offer available to my many homies here in SF. Regardless of SEC regs I doubt they can rack me up for informing long time friends on a private chat board of an exceptional investment opportunity. And if they try I'll take the case to The Supreme Court.

And I doubt the ESMB cabal aching to get me banned will get Emma to do so. At least not w/o first having her issue a cease an desist warning which I will of course obey.

Furthermore!!!

If you will examine the offer being made...

I am NOT promoting stock SALE.

Anyone on ESMB who LOANS me $100 will get back $110 within the year.

And...

Once the stock is registered they will receive ten shares.

Any further questions counselor?
 

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
. . .

Okay, just for fun (and in the remotest of possibilities that you will recognize and use this strategy):

Let's pretend someone came to me and pitched a venture like this. You for example. Well, founding and launching companies is my profession, so I might be able to save you a few hours (or decades) of wasted time and dead ends, lol

Let's further pretend that you tell me you need to raise "X" dollars and asked for my professional advice.

Let's assume for this hypothetical, that I was willing to give a month of my time to develop a plan that MIGHT increase your odds of getting the dough and business model you are dreaming of. Let's say, I will waive the $100K fee for the month and do it pro-bono.

Well, I already know what I would advise you, so now you have saved $100K, lol:

If I were in your position, with your resources (or lack thereof) and knowledge of business (or lack thereof), this is what i would do:

1) Recognize that I don't have a fucking clue how to raise money.
2) Recognize that I don't have any realistic idea of how to run and manage a company, especially one with investors' capital on the line.
3) Realize that my lack of a home/office or any business track record and all of the transiency of my existence would make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to raise capital and run a business---without some other help/resources.
4) I'd then try to figure out a CREATIVE way to bring in some resources and this would be my first avenue to try....
  • Try to find someone who knows how to do CROWDFUNDING and appeal to them to do it pro bono.
  • Try to find someone who has a home or an office who is willing to lend a hand with banking, an address to deliver to, ship from, a phone, computer, etc.
  • Give it your best shot to find both of the above.
  • But, since the above is not very likely to happen (since it will require someone to spend time/money to help you) start working on "Plan B" right away at the same time
PLAN B: Find a documentary filmmaker or a wannabe documentary filmmaker or a student filmmaker and pitch them the idea of doing a documentary called "CINDERELLA STORY". They will follow several dreamy eyed idealists, would be entrepreneurs and future Facebook founders in their quest to make a billion dollars (or whatever their dream is). You, sir Clay Pigeon, would be in that documentary right now, they would begin videoing you and/or giving you video cam (or good Mobile device) to track your exploits. You would represent the spectrum of the entrepreneurial scale that is starry-eyed utopian-belief. Not a bad thing, just not a very practical thing for making money, right?

They (the student documentary producers) would front you some dough and "sponsor" you and your project. They could easily set up your CROWDFUNDING account and handle the particulars of it for u (e.g. get someone in business classes to do your business plan, get someone studying marketing to give you kill-ass cool marketing materials, logos, powerpoint, et al)

Then you would have backing by an industrious GROUP of enthusiastic people who have a motivation OTHER THAN betting that you will make a lot of money.

They would do it as brilliant and compelling "content" for their documentary project.

And it would be incredibly colorful material for them, whether you succeeded at astral levels or crashed and burned from unrealistic ideas. See what I mean?

Perhaps then you could do what you are trying to do and get the "backing" (not just a few guys handing you a hundred bucks each, which will surely make you fail due to undercapitalization). Get it?

Okay, that'll be $100,000. Oops, forgot, it's pro bono.

But that advice is worth a lot more than $100K if your commercial venture succeeds even at the most modest of levels.

This is entrepreneurial ju-jitsu, dude. You use your weaknesses and leverage them into strengths. It's judo where you use the foes power and size against him. You have every conceivable weakness for a new venture, so don't fight it. Make it work FOR you.

I would say that there is a 99.999999999% chance that you will NOT follow this advice.

And even if you do, there's a 98% chance that your business will fail unless the team behind you fills in all the missing reality and functions that you will never bring to the venture.

This is how reality works.

If you find some really talented folks to throw down with you, maybe your idea goes viral and its a sensation.

You are in a labyrinth right now. You think you need a hundred bucks here and there to move to the next segment of the labryrinth, towards the "exit". But there is no exit in the labyrinth you are in. Viewed from above, it's just a closed trap that gives you the sensation that you can navigate it by yourself. You can't.

You need a plan that takes you OUT OF that labyrinth and OUT OF that paradigm and OUT OF that mythological view of how business works. You need a super creative idea to bring about an alchemical event.

That's what i would do if i were you. Find sponsors who want to make a documentary. Even if that doesn't work, you will then be hooked into the same network that can get you up and running with a crowdfunding site and partner(s).

Many would-be entrepreneurs have asked my advice "how to succeed". I always tell them one thing. I'll give you free advice but only if you follow it. Otherwise, I won't.

99.99 % of the time they don't follow it very early on and I stop helping them quite soon, even during the first conversation, lol.

But they later will tell people "the market is bad right now" or some other absurdity to explain why their brilliant idea failed.

I can tell stories all day long about this, but hey, "free service free fall!" LOL LOL

I will help someone who really deserves help.

I hope Clay Pigeon goes viral. That'd be sooooo cool.

I did my part. Not a $100 check---a $100,000 plan.

The consulting was free, keep it so. LOL




ps: Just in case by some intergalactic miracle you try to follow the advice, DO NOT ASK OR EXPECT anything from any documentary filmmakers. You are content. You are not the film's producer or a partner. Give it all away because that is the only slightest hope you have to attract people to your koolaid. (i.e. don't go all "Hollywood" and think you are making a movie, you ain't. Consider yourself blessed and lucky beyond imagination if someone actually "bites" and catches fire on doing an extended documentary like this.
THANK YOU HOAXIE!!!

Good plan; some of it's facets are in my business plan as proffered others match similar points of my own and then much of my business is very, very different because D Sea enterprises is not a new company it was founded by C. Taylor Baisley on July 1, 1957 and I have been CEO ever since running it prosperously on a Confucian business plan as practiced by such figures as Socrates, Jesus of Nazareth and Jacob Boehm.
 
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