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An Essay on Sec-checking

Mockingbird6

Patron with Honors
The promise of sec-checking is that it will screen out CIA agents, suppressives, and extraterrestrials. I doubt it has worked for that.

The current use of sec-checking is to “make sure the church is protected,” which makes it okay to violate the integrity of the individual “for the greater good.”

I recently watched a person who was getting sec-checked on OT Elig at AOLA, coming home day after day more and more despondent, to the point of not seeing any hope for life.

This was with sec-checking that took up unreading items, took up items that had been run dozens of times already, ignored FN’s, ground on through all the buttons time after time after time, and finally ended an average of fifteen minutes later with an F/N on some overt made up just to have something to run, while the pc is thinking, “this is costing me $500 an hour!” Total of $35,000 for that sec check, added on top of what he spent ahead of time to be able to go through OTIII.

Now you may think the intention here is to get the poor guy’s money. Oh, yes, why not when it’s all there for the taking. The guy’s got credit cards up the ying-yang and the reges know it—too bad if he can’t pay them off later. (Read: OUR overts are nothing, YOURS are unforgivable—straight out of SP tech, but it’s the church that has this characteristic.)

But this morning I realized there is a hidden agenda deeper than any seen to date.

IF you tell a guy that the meter knows he has an overt, the auditor knows he has an overt, the C/S knows he has an overt, the D of P knows he has an overt, and the MAA knows he has an overt, BUT HE DOES NOT KNOW IT HIMSELF, then you have made them all cause and him effect.

WORSE, you have told him that he is such a rotten person, his whole track must be full of such awful stuff that he can’t even let himself confront it, he must be the most vile person in the world.

That’s what this guy has been carefully taught to think of himself. He can’t remember his past very well at this point. Well, how could he, when he’s been taught that it must be full of this horrid, horrid stuff! I’m surprised the poor guy can still remember where he left the tube of toothpaste!

No wonder OT VIIs will do whatever the church tells them to do. They don’t dare rely on their own judgment because all that ever did was make them evil. The meter said so!
 
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Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Good essay. :thumbsup:
Of course, it doesn't always go like that but I can certainly see how it can.
Remind me to tell you about the time the Auditor insisted I *must* have an overt! :lol:
 

Div6

Crusader
Yes, this is what is driving a number of Scngst's to commit suicide. Out-tech, invalidative TR's, invented metering.

I call it Chairman Dave's Re-education Rundown....EP - total effect.
 

EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'll take a WAG at it!

So…. I’m a Senior Sec-Checker and have audited hundreds of OT Eligibilities on others and have been subject to quite a few myself.

...snip...
Later I did my own investigation of the circumstances and got it pretty well taped, it was relatively easy to connect the dots.

Here’s the thing; I learned a very valuable lesson from it all, something that has kept me whole thru everything that followed. Can you guess what it was?

That you were senior to the whole scene. :confused2: (you were, you know.)

EP
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Yes, this is what is driving a number of Scngst's to commit suicide. Out-tech, invalidative TR's, invented metering.

I call it Chairman Dave's Re-education Rundown....EP - total effect.

Except that it isn't Chairman Dave's creation, it's Ron Hubbard's.

Thanks, Ron!

Ron is the Why.
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
A good slave is a guilty (feeling) slave

'Sec Checking' is inevitably abusive in Scientology. Always was. Always will be.

Zinj
 

Mockingbird6

Patron with Honors
Here’s the thing; I learned a very valuable lesson from it all, something that has kept me whole thru everything that followed. Can you guess what it was?

I can think of a lot of possibilities. The first would be that they don't know what they're doing. The next would be that they are all crazy. The next would be simply GET OUT!!

Am I close?
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Well I learned some of the things you mentioned at various points in my journey, except that I never thought they were *all* crazy.

EP had it pretty well. I learned that I knew myself a whole lot better than anyone else knew me.
Obvious, I know, but not always a certainty when you're a scientologist.

My certainty of self trumps;
e-meters,
Auditors,
C/S's,
Hubbard,
Scientology's Tech, Ethics and Admin,
"Authorities" on the mind and spirit,
other people's perceptions, fixed ideas and opinions,
etc. (there's more but I'm sure you get the drift).

In other words, I know myself better than anyone else is ever going to know me.

It was a valuable lesson and well worth the price. :)
 

Veda

Sponsor
John McMaster, from a 1985 interview:

"The basic function of auditing is a wonderful thing, but Hubbard perverted it...

"He got the technology to the point where he had a sort of assembly line as he called it. And he told me how he was putting all these 'square ball bearings' on the beginning of the assembly line, and then turning them into 'round ball bearings' at the other end. That was his idea of 'standard tech'."


For those unfamiliar with Scientology - Wikipedia article on Security Checking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientology_Security_Checks

"Have you ever had unkind thoughts about L. Ron Hubbard?"

"Are you a pervert?"

A collection of Security Checks (there are more), from Robert Kaufman's 'Inside Scientology':

http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/isd/isd-5i.htm

Yes, this is what is driving a number of Scngst's to commit suicide. Out-tech, invalidative TR's, invented metering.

I call it Chairman Dave's Re-education Rundown....EP - total effect.

Hubbard was much better at producing smooth perfectly round ball bearings to work in the Scientology cult machine, happy ball bearings; Miscavige's ball bearings are often lopsided and bumpy.

There's nothing quite like a happy ball bearing.

A smoothly running totalist cult is a beautiful thing don't you think? Ah, the good old days, when "tech was IN." :yes:
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
Anyone want originate any wins from being buggered by the hell's Angels motorcycle gang?

Here! I want! Back in the days, I've made some pretty good deals with 'em, and fortunately, I've never had to deal with their "customer complaints" department. :)

The thing is: you'll know exactly what to expect from them before you've ever met them. No really, they're a quite interesting sub-culture. :yes:
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Anyone want originate any wins from being buggered by the hell's Angels motorcycle gang?
You seem to delight in posting perverted and twisted comments which misrepresent almost anything positive said about a scio-related experience. Why is that?
 

thefiredragon

Patron Meritorious
IF you tell a guy that the meter knows he has an overt, the auditor knows he has an overt, the C/S knows he has an overt, the D of P knows he has an overt, and the MAA knows he has an overt, BUT HE DOES NOT KNOW IT HIMSELF, then you have made them all cause and him effect.

WORSE, you have told him that he is such a rotten person, his whole track must be full of such awful stuff that he can’t even let himself confront it, he must be the most vile person in the world.

That’s what this guy has been carefully taught to think of himself. He can’t remember his past very well at this point. Well, how could he, when he’s been taught that it must be full of this horrid, horrid stuff! I’m surprised the poor guy can still remember where he left the tube of toothpaste!

No wonder OT VIIs will do whatever the church tells them to do. They don’t dare rely on their own judgment because all that ever did was make them evil. The meter said so!

So true. Good post
 

Friend

Patron
That seems to be an OT like a puppet on the strings. I guess Ron Hubbard plays God with his policy letters and to have other staff to push his agenda and/or to missapply the real spiritual technology.
Science can't work without God. Unfortunately $cientology became superstitious. You are closer to God since you realize what is wrong and since it hurts. Your heart, your inner core is the most important; you loose that you loose everything. Now you can embark on a new adventure.
What is God to you? There are lots of confusions about it.
You have to watch out for man-made dogma?
$cientology have their own overts and they are in fear. They are very low on the tone scale themselves.
In its purity of a religion, there shouldn't be any fear; and that is more constructive.


Religion and money abuse don't go together.

Here is an interesting prayer I found in Bahai Prayers:

I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and to worship Thee. I testify, at this moment, to my powerlessness and to Thy might, to my poeverty and to Thy wealth.
There in none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.

To be cynical; I guess $cientology replaced it with Ron Hubbard.


Friend



The promise of sec-checking is that it will screen out CIA agents, suppressives, and extraterrestrials. I doubt it has worked for that.

The current use of sec-checking is to “make sure the church is protected,” which makes it okay to violate the integrity of the individual “for the greater good.”

I recently watched a person who was getting sec-checked on OT Elig at AOLA, coming home day after day more and more despondent, to the point of not seeing any hope for life.

This was with sec-checking that took up unreading items, took up items that had been run dozens of times already, ignored FN’s, ground on through all the buttons time after time after time, and finally ended an average of fifteen minutes later with an F/N on some overt made up just to have something to run, while the pc is thinking, “this is costing me $500 an hour!” Total of $35,000 for that sec check, added on top of what he spent ahead of time to be able to go through OTIII.

Now you may think the intention here is to get the poor guy’s money. Oh, yes, why not when it’s all there for the taking. The guy’s got credit cards up the ying-yang and the reges know it—too bad if he can’t pay them off later. (Read: OUR overts are nothing, YOURS are unforgivable—straight out of SP tech, but it’s the church that has this characteristic.)

But this morning I realized there is a hidden agenda deeper than any seen to date.

IF you tell a guy that the meter knows he has an overt, the auditor knows he has an overt, the C/S knows he has an overt, the D of P knows he has an overt, and the MAA knows he has an overt, BUT HE DOES NOT KNOW IT HIMSELF, then you have made them all cause and him effect.

WORSE, you have told him that he is such a rotten person, his whole track must be full of such awful stuff that he can’t even let himself confront it, he must be the most vile person in the world.

That’s what this guy has been carefully taught to think of himself. He can’t remember his past very well at this point. Well, how could he, when he’s been taught that it must be full of this horrid, horrid stuff! I’m surprised the poor guy can still remember where he left the tube of toothpaste!

No wonder OT VIIs will do whatever the church tells them to do. They don’t dare rely on their own judgment because all that ever did was make them evil. The meter said so!
 

Veda

Sponsor
You seem to delight in posting perverted and twisted comments which misrepresent almost anything positive said about a scio-related experience. Why is that?

Apparently you think I invalidated your third post on this thread. When I went back to read it more closely - rather than just scanning it quickly - it was deleted, so I guess I'll never know the extent of my overt.

At least, from your response, I can formulate some Sec Check questions which might help me, modified with the innovative "Why" question format (run solo):

"Why am I a pervert?"

"Why am I twisted?"

"Why do I delight in perverting?"

"Why do I delight in twisting?"

"Why do I misrepresent almost anything positive said about a Scio-related experience?"

"Why do I delight in misrepresenting almost anything positive said about a Scio-related experience?"

I'll post my Success Story in the 'Tech outside the CofS' Success Story section, after I complete my session.
 

Div6

Crusader
A good slave is a guilty (feeling) slave

'Sec Checking' is inevitably abusive in Scientology. Always was. Always will be.

Zinj

I dunno, Z. I had my share, and for the most part it was quite liberating. But then, it was never in the form of "I'm NOT auditing you..." But yes,, I have seen plenty of the abusive kind as well.
 
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