an - other? - open leter to Marty Rathburn

johnAnchovie

Still raging
This is to Marty Rathburn and the many ex cult people that have found refuge within organisation that has formed around him over the past couple of years. It is written with respect, and I hope it is received in the same spirit in which it has been written.


Because I feel very strongly about the many abuses I have witnessed while in (and possibly more so, since I left) the cult of Scientology that were meted out on all three categories of adherents, Public, org/mission staff and Sea Org, in which I include those children suffering in that subsection of the operation disingenuously characterised as 'The Cadet Org', I remain disturbed by the idea that one would consider that the only thing wrong with Scientology is the efforts by Miscavaige to recreate it in his own image. I have no pity for the man, he is a psychopath, but I think that he is more of a product of both his damaged upbringing and his Scientology experience.


That said, I am of the mind that if the various techniques employed to help an individual are extracted from the corruption inherent in the IRS recognised organisation and are used in a genuine spirit of caring and humanity then I have no reason to argue with that.


These statements are made apropos the many public denouncements you and Mike Rinder have been making to shine a harsh light on the goings on behind the razor wire fences in Hemet and the walls of silence and fear in the other Sea Org bases and 'Churches' around the world. Both of you have made and are making a very important contribution to what we all hope for, a full investigation, by the FBI or otherwise, of the crimes being carried out daily, clearly directed by Miscavaige, upon staff and parishioners of the cult. I think it important that you are recognised for the crucial work you have done, both in the media field, but also (I admit I have my concerns, which I will express later in this letter) by creating a safe space for those people who remain devoted to the core concepts of Scientology, yet cannot in all conscience continue to support the corrupted corporation bearing that name. I feel, well, at least I hope, that your 'Marty's Place' provides them a sense of security and a haven.


I think it fair to say that the vast majority of Scientologists in the cult have cut themselves off from an honest and proactive engagement with the real world going outside of those very real - and also those imagined – walls. Walls erected to corral the Scientologist into dedicated service that borders on abnegation, a ceaseless tormented sacrifice at the alter of COB's cult.


Historically, and -maybe a sociologist would enlighten me- sociologically it seems that people need a leader around which they can rally, in whom they can invest all of their own self determination, one to whom they can sacrifice their own sense of self. Maybe it is only people that have issues with low esteem, however, history seems to tell us otherwise.


Cutting to the chase, my observations of the language I have seen engendered by some individuals on your web site, 'Marty's Place' points to the inherent risks in any kind of social movement, a strong figure head elects himself or is elected to voice the fears, angers and frustrations of a populace, is granted complete power and that power devours whatever altruistic aims the said movement was founded upon. A case in point being Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre around whom the French First Republic rallied, he moved from being an enlightenment philosopher and orator to a monster in a very short few years. The American revolution somehow avoided that mistake, maybe because the nascent state that evolved from the revolution was guided by a number of men of equal power and intellectual capacity.


Miscavaige seemed to have, from youth, all the hallmarks of a corrupt dictator, he was not stopped, he was placed by all of us, when we were members of his cult, on pedestal, we allowed him to become what he has become, thus the state of the cult is certainly in part our doing. Yes we were dis-empowered, yes our krs were stuffed away in basements and yes, eventually com-evs became kangaroo courts and, to use a term I hate, 'Group Bank Agreement' allowed our fellow staff and public to accept our declares and disconnection, but was there a point when we could have stopped the abuse before it became what it is today?


There is a lovely line in Shakespeare's 'Julius Ceasar', where we find him entering Rome in triumph, behind him he has a praetorian guard, tapping him with a rod, repeating the words “Remember Ceasar, thou art mortal”.


So, to all my former friends be they public, SO and Staff who have gravitated from the cult of Miscavaige and rallied around Marty, I hope you have all learned an important lesson from the antics of COB. He didn't get there by accident.


Marty is a tough guy, he has got balls and I am supportive of the work that he has been doing on the media and in speaking with representatives of the FBI and other authorities, but greater men have been corrupted by the power vested in them by their people, so, for Christ'8s sake, watch it, eh?


My name is John Duignan, a relatively insignificant SO tool, but I was there for 22 years and I saw a few things.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
For the few here who have gravitated to Marty and return here to visit, I hope you get what John is saying.

Mary
 

Outethicsofficer

Silver Meritorious Patron
There is a lovely line in Shakespeare's 'Julius Ceasar', where we find him entering Rome in triumph, behind him he has a praetorian guard, tapping him with a rod, repeating the words “Remember Ceasar, thou art mortal”.

And there should be praetorian guard a pace or so behind Marty....

Good letter John!

James
 
... There is a lovely line in Shakespeare's 'Julius Ceasar', where we find him entering Rome in triumph, behind him he has a praetorian guard, tapping him with a rod, repeating the words “Remember Ceasar, thou art mortal”. ...

Actually not true. Shakespeare's play is certainly not historically accurate, but it does not include the actual triumph held by Julius Caesar. It begins among the streets of Rome where the citizens are celebrating the triumph. Shakespeare also apparently combined the celebration of Caesar's Triumph with the annual Festival of the Lupercal. Caesar's Triumph took place at least a month after the Lupercal.

Nor did the Praetorians exist as a roman legionary unit during Julius Caesar's lifetime. They were fashioned to serve Augustus in his role as imperator of all roman military units and princeps of the roman senate. The Praetorians served the Empire established by Augustus, whereas Julius Caesar lived and died during the time of the Republic.

Of course Julius Caesar as a propropraetor (in one sense effectively a sort of general) of a roman army would have had a personal guard and these would have constituted a sort of minimal 'praetorian' guard. This tradition served as the later basis justifying the formation of the Praetorians as a unit with the consolidation of the armed forces of Roma. [n.b. Roman military rankings and titles do not conform to modern terms and were tied to the political offices held. Caesar's first official military posting as a 'general' was as a propraetor. Later campaigns were conducted under the aegis of other state offices.]

Additionally, although details are disputed, the person who rode with the triumphator (celebrator of the triumph - in this case Julius Caesar) would traditionally have been a personal slave, not a legionary. [n.b. Only free men could serve in the legions. Although state owned slaves could be detailed to assist the legions and their commanders as required. Additionally, officials serving with the army often took slaves with them as personal retainers to serve in arms alongside of legionaries. Nonetheless, these slaves were not legionaries, i.e. soldiers of rome.] It would have been the slave's role to hold the crown (corona) symbolizing the general's triumph over the head of the celebrating general while all the time reminding him of his mortality, This role was not filled by a legionary, which the Praetorians were.


Mark A. Baker
p.s. Yeah, I know. No one else cares. We each have our own 'pet interests'. :coolwink:
 
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Hatshepsut

Crusader
Hello John,

I just watched some of your YouTube vids again last week. Still searcing for a free download of The Complex on Scribd or whatnot. :melodramatic:

I don't think things can get that out of hand with those disheartened and leaving the C of S. However I do envision the Robespierre thing amongst the US citizens under certain conditions.

Marty is getting older. He was cheated out of the 'good life' while watching Davey enjoy everything. He wants to go 'fishing'. :D He's not going to have his energy forever. Just don't see him as all that ambitious. I could be wrong.

Can't see him as Martius Caesar, or any Caesar. Those who would set themselves up as king should beware the Ides of March.
 
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Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Marty is a tough guy, he has got balls and I am supportive of the work that he has been doing on the media and in speaking with representatives of the FBI and other authorities, but greater men have been corrupted by the power vested in them by their people, so, for Christ'8s sake, watch it, eh?

DOX plox.
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
Marty doesn't get it

I remain disturbed by the idea that one would consider that the only thing wrong with Scientology is the efforts by Miscavaige to recreate it in his own image. I have no pity for the man, he is a psychopath, but I think that he is more of a product of both his damaged upbringing and his Scientology experience.

I suspect that at some point in the next few years, David Miscavige will be constructing a legal defence that hinges upon what the cult did to him.

A product of his upbringing in Scientology indeed.

Born in 1960, Miscavige was in Scientology by 1971. It appears to have caused him to fail in conventional schooling; he dropped out and joined the Sea Org instead, at just 16. By this time he was already a major believer. Once in the Sea Org, he rapidly reached a position where he was LRH's closest assistant. One can only imagine how toxic this prolonged close contact with Hubbard must have been on the young mind.

Extremists of many kinds know that children make the most loyal, unquestioning troops. Through Scientology, Miscavige was raised in a culture of bullying, mistrust and betrayal. Worst of all, his loyalty was to a cause that he cannot really understand, or advance, because its achievements existed only in the imagination of one man, and even he (when considered objectively) does not seem to have believed in what he taught.

Miscavige is a lunatic; but he is also the Scientologist's Scientologist. (Which is interesting because, like LRH, he hasn't actually worked his way up the Bridge.) Still, D.M. is what the culture of Scientology produces, and in accordance with LRH's policies, when things go wrong, the solution is to do more Scientology.

Marty is a pale imitation, in comparison. He's a lot less scary, but he's also got a lot less of the real LRH about him. He seems able to open a rival 'casino' that also offers the Scientology Game -- albeit a game that is looking distinctly threadbare in the 21st century -- but he doesn't understand the full picture.

There's the game (have faith in Scientology, clear the planet, get up the Bridge, etc...) and there's the metagame.

Unlike Marty, David Miscavige at least perceives the existence of the metagame. He just isn't very good at playing it.
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
Nice letter, John.

A corrupting system like the SO would turn a saint into an ogre, given the insane push for "upstats" and the "never question Command Intention" crush. Despite whatever policies that give the junior a chance to question the senior. These are relatively easy for any psychopath to subvert.

If in fact they were ever designed to prevent such.

I believe (and it's just a belief) that Marty doesn't want the "top job" but just wants to get on with his life and continue with his brand of "pure Scientology" but your letter is a timely reminder of the perils of leadership.
 

Tom of Helatrobus

Patron Meritorious
If you removed DM from the COB, replaced all the execs and then started the COS completely fresh using nothing but the tech, then Scientology would still be a cult. RPF, SP declares, the practice of fair game, Cadet org, long hours, low pay, high prices for auditing and all the high pressure "make it go right" bullshit comes straight from HCOPLs, LRH executive orders, Flag orders, etc. When someone starts a Scientology without SP declares, they will be doing some squirrel tech version of Scientology - but it will not be real Scientology.
 

anondelmundial

Patron with Honors
Actually not true. Shakespeare's play is certainly not historically accurate, but it does not include the actual triumph held by Julius Caesar. It begins among the streets of Rome where the citizens are celebrating the triumph. Shakespeare also apparently combined the celebration of Caesar's Triumph with the annual Festival of the Lupercal. Caesar's Triumph took place at least a month after the Lupercal. po


[Exosition snipped]...


Mark A. Baker
p.s. Yeah, I know. No one else cares. We each have our own 'pet interests'. :coolwink:

Carumba! Mark, I had an entire one-hour History Channel program running through my brain as I read you exposition.

There might be money in a Ph.D. in European History, after all! Great presentation! :happydance:
 
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