Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broker) Died Seven (7) Months Ago

[exsomessenger]

I was at this event at Flag. I have that literature that was passed out. My husband found it the other day. Should I scan and upload or is that already on ESMB somewhere?

I was also at this event at flag.

 

[freethinker]

i'm still not totaly convinced, I read that series twice. i will have to get a used copy from a bookstore.

I used google advanced search for "Mission Earth" and "Teenie Whopper" and then snipped quotes from some of the results and linked them.

 

[Dulloldfart]

i'm still not totaly convinced, I read that series twice. i will have to get a used copy from a bookstore.

Oh! It's not in your local library?



You could check here if you trust your anti-virus program and don't access the internet from a root account on your computer: http://www.filestube.com/search.html?q=mission+earth&select=All

Paul

 

[Terril park]

Terril, you know that I like you but I swear, sometimes I think I see the words "gullible prat" floating in the background of your posts.

Marty has been out - what, 6 years? and why two books? why not just actually write one? Why not just write up some true statements and reports of what happened - with the IRS visit for example or what happened to Annie in the year following Marty dragging her back to Int?

How about a precis from Mike of some of the ops run by PIs for the church?

As a critic your viewpoint is understandable.

I'm inclined to give Mike and Marty a lot of slack. They are trying to rescue scn, a goal I share.

In fact they have given out a quite a bit of info over the years. Its not suprising that they focus on the problems with DM rather than LRH. The target audience can't handle the truth. Not yet anyways.

In the battle with DM for them to give out info detrimental to themselves is to give DM ammo to use against them. Against the bucks and l;awyers and PIs DM is throwing at them I'd say its a good idea for them to be cautious.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

As a critic your viewpoint is understandable.

I'm inclined to give Mike and Marty a lot of slack. They are trying to rescue scn, a goal I share.

In fact they have given out a quite a bit of info over the years. Its not suprising that they focus on the problems with DM rather than LRH. The target audience can't handle the truth. Not yet anyways.

In the battle with DM for them to give out info detrimental to themselves is to give DM ammo to use against them. Against the bucks and l;awyers and PIs DM is throwing at them I'd say its a good idea for them to be cautious.

Terril,

I've gotta sincere question and you know I like you and am not being snide.

How is it possible to rescue Scn without knowing, facing and telling the truth? :confused2:

I'm a minor history buff of sorts and one thing I've never seen in all my reading is where a Religion, Movement or Subject was ultimately "saved or rescued" by telling lies, withholding the truth and ignorance.

Face

 

[FoTi]

Well, I didn't do the greatest scan job and I also realize that this must have been what they passed out a week or so later.​

This looks pretty much like what I received at the event.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Terril,

I've gotta sincere question and you know I like you and am not being snide.

How is it possible to rescue Scn without knowing, facing and telling the truth? :confused2:

I'm a minor history buff of sorts and one thing I've never seen in all my reading is where a Religion, Movement or Subject was ultimately "saved or rescued" by telling lies, withholding the truth and ignorance.

Face

Which truth?

Not just the fact that one guy's truth is another guy's falsehood, half truth or theory, but also...
which fact (of the truth) ?

 

[FoTi]

..

 

[Sharone Stainforth]

terril, do oyu have a link to Sharrones depiction of what was going on there because that picture inspires many a mind to wonder. It would be good to set the record straight.

I have not seen this picture before. Annie looks sullen, defiant. Not sure what to think.It certainly does make you wonder, I also wonder what the little girl behind Hubbard's arm is doing also.

As for the White hotpants that A K Meyers mentioned, they did not wear them in my time, and I don't see any in this photo either.

I am very sorry Annie has died, she would be just a year older than me. That's too young to die, especially after having had the life she had. It's tragic!

I don't know what all that is on Marty's blog, but I find it really weird.

 

[FoTi]

I think this was the most important thing of the whole piece:

I was so surprised when this got canceled.​

So was I. The comm I got in my in-basket made the Broekers out to be liars and criminals.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

As a critic your viewpoint is understandable.

I'm inclined to give Mike and Marty a lot of slack. They are trying to rescue scn, a goal I share.

In fact they have given out a quite a bit of info over the years. Its not suprising that they focus on the problems with DM rather than LRH. The target audience can't handle the truth. Not yet anyways.

In the battle with DM for them to give out info detrimental to themselves is to give DM ammo to use against them. Against the bucks and lawyers and PIs DM is throwing at them I'd say its a good idea for them to be cautious.

Yeah, that paddle boat out in the canal was so scary !
Who wouldn't shudder at the thought of THAT being launched against them !

 

[Vittorio]

No I don't. Maybe Sharone will comment.

I either read Sharone or heard it on one of her videos where she states that there was nothing sexual between the messengers and LRH from what she could see, so I can back you up on that Terril. She did mention however that they did provide some personal care such as washing feet I think.

Synthia, very well done preserving this important historical info. You can always take the time to do a higher quality scan later and perhaps someone (the Anons?) can host it on a server with enough bandwidth for a big file.

Thank you!!!

Second that! I was thinking about that Flag issue just a couple of days ago. Well done Synthia for holding onto that.

As a critic your viewpoint is understandable.

I'm inclined to give Mike and Marty a lot of slack. They are trying to rescue scn, a goal I share.

In fact they have given out a quite a bit of info over the years. Its not suprising that they focus on the problems with DM rather than LRH. The target audience can't handle the truth. Not yet anyways.

In the battle with DM for them to give out info detrimental to themselves is to give DM ammo to use against them. Against the bucks and l;awyers and PIs DM is throwing at them I'd say its a good idea for them to be cautious.

This is a good post Terril. I also understand why highlighting LRH's flaws do not get a lot of people in Scientology to wake up to what is going on. However, I disagree on one thing. They are not taking personal responsibility or telling the truth. They are giving David Miscavige ammo by not doing this, as a lot of things they have done are on record and even Martin Bashir was shocked when Marty was blaming it all on Miscavige. All they have to do is be honest, find their victims and say sorry and try and be the best people they can. David Mayo, Bill Robertson and many others tried to salvage Scientology around 30 years ago. Marty and Mike did not support that goal and sought to thwart it. I believe the best people for that mission have long gone. David Miscavige is throwing very little at them in comparison to what Paulette Cooper, Gerry Armstrong, David Mayo and many others have received. Marty has made detrimental statements about Mayo and Robertson (the latter of which he is going to expose in his book). Marty is not spiritually mature enough to run a group or reform anything and should go and do some charity and acts of goodness out in the real world and engage with people.

This post is about Annie. Someone referred to her as the 'last officer on the deck' over at Marty's blog and I can second that. The Scientology ship has lost anyone who showed any capability of steering it into safe waters and any spiritual kindness and maturity.

I have not seen this picture before. Annie looks sullen, defiant. Not sure what to think.It certainly does make you wonder, I also wonder what the little girl behind Hubbard's arm is doing also.

As for the White hotpants that A K Meyers mentioned, they did not wear them in my time, and I don't see any in this photo either.

I am very sorry Annie has died, she would be just a year older than me. That's too young to die, especially after having had the life she had. It's tragic!

I don't know what all that is on Marty's blog, but I find it really weird.

Did you know Annie personally Sharone?

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Which truth?

Not just the fact that one guy's truth is another guy's falsehood, half truth or theory, but also...
which fact (of the truth) ?

Good point, Claire. There are a bizzillion definitions and contextual nuances of the word "Truth". So, strike my comment following my question to Terril.

Terril, please answer my question according to the definition and context that you used the word "Truth" in your post. Perhaps you could also take the time to qualify "Which Truth" so that Claire and the rest of Us better understand what you are saying.

With Respect,

Face

 

[SweetnessandLight]

From: http://www.factnet.org/Purchase_Books/L_Ron_Hubbard_Messiah_or_Madman.htm

"A scary, important, and believable book, August 31, 2005
Reviewer: Lmann
If you don't have a basic familiarity with Scientology this should NOT be the first book you read, but the second. First should be Jon Atack's A Piece of Blue Sky, which gives a compelling chronology of Hubbard and Scientology. You won't be able to put the book down. Nor this one, if you know the history. Corydon's book is essential supplementary material - disorganized, true, as some reviewers accurately note - but gives in-depth information on aspects Atack only alludes to, such as Hubbard's belief in black magic and how it influenced his supposedly "positive" religion. Also includes some frightening depositions from ex-Scientologists - the description of Hubbard's sexual "assault" on one victim (he lay upon her for an hour, motionless, limp, smothering, while she felt she was going crazy) is something you wont learn about from Tom Cruise and his ilk - the celebrities are feted by Scientology, and kept far away from the dark underbelly that powers the cult of Scientology."

 

[Sharone Stainforth]

Originally posted by Vittorio:

I either read Sharone or heard it on one of her videos where she states that there was nothing sexual between the messengers and LRH from what she could see, so I can back you up on that Terril. She did mention however that they did provide some personal care such as washing feet I think.

As far as I know there was no sexual interference from Hubbard between the Messengers. Certainly not with me. I can't speak for anyone else, because I don't know. With regards personal care of Hubbard, I was personally told to help him bathe and dress on at least one occasion. I did wash his feet. I helped to put on his full sea org regalia. It felt odd and I did not like it. I was only 11 years old, of course it was weird.I was told I would get used to it.

Did you know Annie personally Sharone?

Not that I remember.

 

[MostlyLurker]

I have read somewhere that another duty of his messengers was to follow him with an ashtray ready to catch the ashes of his cigarette. In what other ways young messengers were serving him?

 

[exsomessenger]

From: http://www.factnet.org/Purchase_Books/L_Ron_Hubbard_Messiah_or_Madman.htm

"A scary, important, and believable book, August 31, 2005
Reviewer: Lmann
If you don't have a basic familiarity with Scientology this should NOT be the first book you read, but the second. First should be Jon Atack's A Piece of Blue Sky, which gives a compelling chronology of Hubbard and Scientology. You won't be able to put the book down. Nor this one, if you know the history. Corydon's book is essential supplementary material - disorganized, true, as some reviewers accurately note - but gives in-depth information on aspects Atack only alludes to, such as Hubbard's belief in black magic and how it influenced his supposedly "positive" religion. Also includes some frightening depositions from ex-Scientologists - the description of Hubbard's sexual "assault" on one victim (he lay upon her for an hour, motionless, limp, smothering, while she felt she was going crazy) is something you wont learn about from Tom Cruise and his ilk - the celebrities are feted by Scientology, and kept far away from the dark underbelly that powers the cult of Scientology."

the top celebs had messengers assigned to them when they did services. I know this because i was assigned to JT a few times when he came to the FH.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Malstrom, I have no doubt that the family now has multiple "Causes of Action" for a lawsuit against RTC and (after discovery) David Miscavige personally.

all of which won't have a snowball's chance in hell agalnst the CoS legal crew.

they do know the law and observe it. thank god. we should be terribly grateful people like anne get death certificates. in her case we presume her medical made it inevitable but they have never been caught surreptitiously disposing of a corpse and accused of it only by nibs.

yet if they obey the letter of the law they respect not it's spirit

 

[Commander Birdsong]

From: http://www.factnet.org/Purchase_Books/L_Ron_Hubbard_Messiah_or_Madman.htm

"A scary, important, and believable book, August 31, 2005
Reviewer: Lmann
If you don't have a basic familiarity with Scientology this should NOT be the first book you read, but the second. First should be Jon Atack's A Piece of Blue Sky, which gives a compelling chronology of Hubbard and Scientology. You won't be able to put the book down. Nor this one, if you know the history. Corydon's book is essential supplementary material - disorganized, true, as some reviewers accurately note - but gives in-depth information on aspects Atack only alludes to, such as Hubbard's belief in black magic and how it influenced his supposedly "positive" religion. Also includes some frightening depositions from ex-Scientologists - the description of Hubbard's sexual "assault" on one victim (he lay upon her for an hour, motionless, limp, smothering, while she felt she was going crazy) is something you wont learn about from Tom Cruise and his ilk - the celebrities are feted by Scientology, and kept far away from the dark underbelly that powers the cult of Scientology."

the boldface alludes to an unverified snippet in bent's book. all too plausible but well short of forensic testimony.

 

[Gottabrain]

Annie was given the same treatment that Uwe Stuckenbrock received, that all Sea Org staff receive when they become too old, too sick, or too disabled to carry out the productions goals set out for them. Off-loads are remanded to the care of nursing homes, paid for by state & county funding, that care for the uninsured & indigents.

Likewise, Sea Org staff in Los Angeles that are in need of medical care are transported to the University of Southern California Medical Center, which has a contingency agreement with LA County Health Services Division, to provide basic medical services to the uninsured & undocumented residents.

Markus, Uwe's brother, shared with me when he was last in Los Angeles, the spartan, near unsanitary, living conditions that indigent patients are forced to live with in these nursing homes. Graham Berry, who visited the nursing home, where Uwe lived his final days, said the conditions were horrible & disgusting, and that Uwe was hardly treated better in the nursing home than when fellow RPF'ers assisted him getting in & out of bed (a soiled mattress in the cold, dirty basement - where the boilers are housed - of Big Blue).

Because of HIIPA laws, nursing homes are prevented from releasing information about a patient in their care, unless it is an immediate family member requesting it. The cult banks on this policy to prevent any info from being released that could lead back to wrongdoing on the part of the cult. Fortunately, in Uwe's case, someone was able to connect with a sympathetic staff member of the nursing home & get details of Uwe's care & his final days.

Uwe did not die at peace or with a smile on his face. I suspect neither did Annie, or the countless others that the cult dumped into the laps of the county health care system.

I've seen the horrendously neglectful state and federally supported nursing homes of America. No other first world country has such terrible conditions for its elderly. Australia's are like a fantasy in comparison, even at bare minimum standards. America needs to get unbrainwashed on the concept that taxes should not be used for the proper health and holistic care and education of children, the elderly and the infirm. This is what taxes are SUPPOSED to pay for - not to throw hundreds of billions of dollars at banks, not to create fictitious jobs rather than paying for carers, not to protect rights to oil and suppress the use and development of environmentally friendly resources. God help us, Americans pay enough taxes! As much per capita as Australians do. If only all Americans realized their votes and letters matter, that it's not about voting for one of two corrupt parties.

There, I've had my spiel. But really - do Americans know how terrible the elderly are treated in the USA unless they can afford private care?