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Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broker) Died Seven (7) Months Ago

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
Yes, actually, we do. We're not all the same, everyone's an individual.

I offered to move in with my Mom several years ago when it was clear to us that she probably would not live more than a year or two, but was considered to be too ...what do you call it, ok/not moribund enough- for hospice. I was going to quit my job and live with her. It didn't come to that, but I was already looking at how I could do it.

There are unfeeling and caring people living cheek by jowl with one another in the US. Too many individual differences to really sum us up.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
David Miscavige is throwing very little at them in comparison to what Paulette Cooper, Gerry Armstrong, David Mayo and many others have received.

As usual you miss the importances.

They have laid themselves out for lawsuits in spades.

They have ammunition that DM cannot counter.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
all of which won't have a snowball's chance in hell agalnst the CoS legal crew.

they do know the law and observe it. thank god. we should be terribly grateful people like anne get death certificates. in her case we presume her medical made it inevitable but they have never been caught surreptitiously disposing of a corpse and accused of it only by nibs.

yet if they obey the letter of the law they respect not it's spirit

Every Scientologist 'knows' that 'Wog' Justice is a thing to be 'handled' when neccessary but never to be respected. "One day it will be us who make the laws," Hubbard said, and he maybe even believed it.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
As usual you miss the importances.

They have laid themselves out for lawsuits in spades.

They have ammunition that DM cannot counter.

Bless ya mate, but you do remind me of what I saw so often - believing something just because "they" said so. "They" being the imagined authority figures. That's how we got fucked over in the first place!
 

Veda

Sponsor
As usual you miss the importances.

They have laid themselves out for lawsuits in spades.

They have ammunition that DM cannot counter.

Yet there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a restrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology, while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public ("wog") opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.


"...With all the Private Investigator activity that Marty and Mike were reporting, in my opinion what they were reporting seemed lame and tame. In my experience with the same activity perpetrated by the Scientology conglomerate legal and intelligence dis-abler mechanism (Which Marty and Mike were a significant part of), my experiences with Private Investigator activity were far more extreme. Comparatively speaking, it seemed to me that Marty and Mike were having more of a lovers spat [with Miscavige] as opposed to a real showdown."

Jesse Prince, from about a year ago.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Terril,

I've gotta sincere question and you know I like you and am not being snide.

How is it possible to rescue Scn without knowing, facing and telling the truth? :confused2:

I'm a minor history buff of sorts and one thing I've never seen in all my reading is where a Religion, Movement or Subject was ultimately "saved or rescued" by telling lies, withholding the truth and ignorance. :yes:

Face :)

Wow! Great comment!!!

One example is Christianity! Think of your own examples of lies.

Martin Luther made comment on the lies, and protestants are legion. Lol!

Truth will out?

Jesus on being asked if he was the son of God said, thats your words, not mine.

The precepts of Christianity live today. There is much confusion and
conflict. But they live.

Do most Christians understand the events in Consantinople re AD 323
or thereabouts? A vote re the basics of their belief by polititions ordered by the Emporer?

A book " The Five Gospels" by the Westar institute goes into much detail
of the history.

http://www.amazon.com/Five-Gospels-Really-Search-Authentic/dp/006063040X

Then we have the parable of the good Samaritan, and the concept of turning the other cheek etc.

Despite inquisitions and crusades, these concepts are still alive. If
barely.

I consider the great truths of scientology will also live. In difficulty.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
I have not seen this picture before. Annie looks sullen, defiant. Not sure what to think.It certainly does make you wonder, I also wonder what the little girl behind Hubbard's arm is doing also.

As for the White hotpants that A K Meyers mentioned, they did not wear them in my time, and I don't see any in this photo either.

I am very sorry Annie has died, she would be just a year older than me. That's too young to die, especially after having had the life she had. It's tragic!

I don't know what all that is on Marty's blog, but I find it really weird.

Thanks Sharone.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Yet there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a retrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology - all while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.


"...With all the Private Investigator activity that Marty and Mike were reporting, in my opinion what they were reporting seemed lame and tame. In my experience with the same activity perpetrated by the Scientology conglomerate legal and intelligence dis-abler mechanism (Which Marty and Mike were a significant part of), my experiences with Private Investigator activity were far more extreme. Comparatively speaking, it seemed to me that Marty and Mike were having more of a lovers spat [with Miscavige] as opposed to a real showdown."

Jesse Prince, from about a year ago.

In the case of Marty and his former master, the show of opposition put on looks to me like the behaviours of certain ruminant animals who fight with horns that grow in such a way that they can't seriously hurt one another.

rudolph-reindeer.jpg
 
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Terril park

Sponsor
Yet there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a restrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology, while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public ("wog") opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.

You are of course free to side with DM. As one does.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
As far as I know there was no sexual interference from Hubbard between the Messengers. Certainly not with me. I can't speak for anyone else, because I don't know. With regards personal care of Hubbard, I was personally told to help him bathe and dress on at least one occasion. I did wash his feet. I helped to put on his full sea org regalia. It felt odd and I did not like it. I was only 11 years old, of course it was weird.I was told I would get used to it.

Hello Sharone,

Thank you for sharing your recall - one of the very few available about LRH with the little CMO

Could you help me to understand please ?

I did an approximate calculation - Let's say that it was around 1967 and that you were 11 years old and The Guru was about 55 years old..

Are my figures correct???

WTF this guy having little girl to bath his fat body ????
Was he so handicaped that he couldn't hold his ashtray , get out of his bed nor bath his feet himself - like any other human being????

The more I read about him the more I feel disgusted :no:

I supposed it's not of importance.. The humanitarian was not perfect....
He only had a little bit of lack of human dignity :confused2:

(Sorry for my disdain - I really hope it (that feeling) ends soon... :unsure:)
 
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Smilla

Ordinary Human
"In political jargon, useful idiot is a pejorative term used to describe people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause. The term was originally used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries. The implication is that although the people in question naïvely thought of themselves as an ally of the Soviet Union, they were actually held in contempt and were being cynically used.
The use of the term in political discourse has since been extended to other propagandists, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause which they naively believe to be a force for good."

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Is it really fair to suggest that if you are not on Marty/Mike's side that you are siding with DM?

It's an interesting rhetorical trick, by the way.

Scamology brainwash :confused2:

More creative though

The LRH cult version 1.0 was:

''if your are criticizing LRH you are an Sp''

DM cult Version 2.0 is:

''if you are criticizing DM you are an SP''

And now Marty's cult version 3.0

''if you are not with us then you are OSA and DM goon''

If it isn't weird and sociopathic it isn't scamology :confused2:
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
I have exhausted myself reading these posts. Doesn't anyone ever get terminally disinterested in all this? Whew. I would rather play Bach any day. Or any other composer; I might even consider Charles Ives relief from here. :melodramatic:
 

exsomessenger

Patron Meritorious
unless someone is forcing you to come here seems like a pretty simple fix. If it upsets you so much mby try something else?:confused2:
 

LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
As a critic your viewpoint is understandable.

I'm inclined to give Mike and Marty a lot of slack. They are trying to rescue scn, a goal I share.

In fact they have given out a quite a bit of info over the years. Its not suprising that they focus on the problems with DM rather than LRH. The target audience can't handle the truth. Not yet anyways.

In the battle with DM for them to give out info detrimental to themselves is to give DM ammo to use against them. Against the bucks and l;awyers and PIs DM is throwing at them I'd say its a good idea for them to be cautious.

Terril -

You are dreaming and a babe in the woods as far as state of the art earth power culture goes.

Wake Up!

While you were / are giving slack, Annie Tidman was dying of lung cancer with no one to intercede on her behalf. While you were / are giving slack, the Cof$ was enjoying a most likely criminally obtained tax advantage in the U.S. allowing D.M. to build a billion dollar war chest to purchase political influence, to fund the harassment and fair gaming of enemies real or imagined and indulging his own megalomania and delusions of grandeur. While you were / are giving slack my own daughter, still in the church, is disaffected from me because the truth has not come out and torn down the walls of obfuscation Hubbard created. Which DM continues for his own totalitarian power trip, a collection of overts of magnitude for which he has the perfect justification - he's just carrying out the wishes - the tech and policies of Hubbard. While you are giving slack, how many others are suffering or dying alone, how many families are being torn apart, how many financial hardships are being perpetrated on true believers, old and new.

I see what Spin and Marty are doing as more like fiddling while Rome burns.

What needs to happen to Scientology is not to be rescued but to be broken down piecemeal into its various components and those valid methodologies be credited to their proper sources and valued or not in that perspective (example: The first reference to the use of this instrument [psycho-galvanometer or e-meter] in psychoanalytic research is in the book by Carl Gustav Jung, Studies in Word Analysis, published in 1906. Here the Swiss psychologist describes a technique of connecting the subject, via hand electrodes, to an instrument measuring changes in the resistance of the skin, while words are read to him from a prepared list. If a word on this list was emotionally charged, there was change in body resistance, causing a deflection of the needle of the galvanometer. Thus, Jung worked on locating and discharging negative unconscious material.); the pure sci-fi hogwash also identified as such and discredited and the truly despicable mind control stuff be brought to light far and wide so that no one would ever be so trapped again.

So Spin and Marty apparently place whatever their agenda is ahead of and more important than any suffering or abuse of anyone receiving same from the DM regime. In short, they lack anything remotely approaching Tone 40 in using what they know to bring down the utterly corrupt regime of the savage little beast and couldn't care less for those harmed. :no:
 
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