SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Or just common garden variety megalomania, delusions of grandeur, (Godhood no less!) and desire for control over others. Run of the mill, ordinary psychopathy.
Okay. it's always creeped me out about the Master having all these young people surrounding him. Are we talking
pedophilaia here ? :confused2:
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" . . . suffer little children . . . "
It creeps me out too but I don't think so. There are no verifiable reports of sexual misconduct. What I think it's about is molding young, pliable minds. It's no less creepy but I don't think there are sexual connotations. Hubbard and Scientology are all about mind-molding. Young, impressionable minds make easy work of it.Okay. it's always creeped me out about the Master having all these young people surrounding him. Are we talking
pedophilaia here ? :confused2:
It creeps me out too but I don't think so. There are no verifiable reports of sexual misconduct. What I think it's about is molding young, pliable minds. It's no less creepy but I don't think there are sexual connotations. Hubbard and Scientology are all about mind-molding. Young, impressionable minds make easy work of it.
Secretive old fag
Of course you can have pedophile (or homosexual) stimulation without physical contact... The old sod evidently got something specific out of it and I don't believe moulding young minds was the whole story. Hubbard was preoccupied with his own sexual responses.
What puzzles me is the role played by Mary Sue at that time.
Late to the thread.
This picture makes me nauseous. It upsets me more than razor wire and pictures of people on the RPF.
You can almost see Hubbard drooling.
Sick bastard.
Annie, in the inimitably vague manner in which such prohibited thoughts must be shared within corporate Scientology, communicated in so many words the following, she was returning to the Int Scientology base for one reason alone: to protect LRH’s legacy from David Miscavige.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/ann-marie-tidman-1956-2011-in-memoriam/
No. She returned because she was afraid of you. She was so close to freedom, and you stopped her. She didn't care about DM. She wanted to be with her husband. Tell yourself whatever, but the reddest blood on your hands is Annie's. "Awww, Marty's here... I'll never see Jim again. Or anyone else that I love.... Ah geez..."
Marty, you sonofabitch.
Indeed, that image turns my stomach, it is definitely not fatherly, don't know what it is exactly, but fatherly it isn't. Even if he never touched them he got off on the power.
But Mary Sue....
I am damn sure she wouldn't have let her daughters grovel on the floor serving an old man, bathing him, dressing him, catching his ash, cleaning the decks. So why did she allow other women's daughters to do that for her husband?
Did she kick up a fuss? Or was she thinking rather them than me?
Of course you can have pedophile (or homosexual) stimulation without physical contact... The old sod evidently got something specific out of it and I don't believe moulding young minds was the whole story. Hubbard was preoccupied with his own sexual responses.
What puzzles me is the role played by Mary Sue at that time.
I hope you are right Panda. These youngsters went through enough weirdness without adding that into the mix too. I would have expected something to have come out by now.
Indeed, that image turns my stomach, it is definitely not fatherly, don't know what it is exactly, but fatherly it isn't. Even if he never touched them he got off on the power.
But Mary Sue....
I am damn sure she wouldn't have let her daughters grovel on the floor serving an old man, bathing him, dressing him, catching his ash, cleaning the decks. So why did she allow other women's daughters to do that for her husband?
Did she kick up a fuss? Or was she thinking rather them than me?
Actually, I think maybe part of why he did it was to assert his independence from Mary Sue. By all reports, he was abusive to all of his wives, in several ways... mentally, physically, sexually, emotionally, verbally, financially, eventually abandoning each one of them in turn. Surrounding himself with young, nubile youths, mostly girls, who would kneel before him (literally!) at his feet and wait on him hand and foot and FOLLOW HIS ORDERS and ensure that others in the Cult would FOLLOW HIS ORDERS may have not only been a private turn on for him, but a really effective way of saying fuck you, you don't control me to his young wife, who was his partner in crime in running their Cult. All within the veneer of being a "functional organizational admin technology".
Sheesh!
About 18 months ago I Posted Shooting Stars, Part Fifteen. It’s a story about El Ron interacting with one of Anne Tidman’s fellow Messengers. It was a moment in time that will haunt me all my days.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21698-Shooting-Stars&p=578401&viewfull=1#post578401
May Peace Be With You, Dearest Annie.
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About 18 months ago I Posted Shooting Stars, Part Fifteen. It’s a story about El Ron interacting with one of Anne Tidman’s fellow Messengers. It was a moment in time that will haunt me all my days.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21698-Shooting-Stars&p=578401&viewfull=1#post578401
May Peace Be With You, Dearest Annie.
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Late to the thread.
This picture makes me nauseous. It upsets me more than razor wire and pictures of people on the RPF.
You can almost see Hubbard drooling.
Sick bastard.
Thanks for the story ... A perfect illustration. It's as if an abusive father got to influence hundreds of children rather than just a handful. He battered and controlled so many adults, but the impact was so much more extreme on the young people who never had a normal environment before his influence. The word slave gets tossed around here a lot, but it's perfectly legitimate. One would rather be a treasured house maid than a field hand.
And if you're raised to believe the Master was a God, it's easy to convince (Annie Logan) that you're special and chosen to be his angel, no matter what your sacrifice.
Sonofabitch.
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This alleged event occurred shortly after Hubbard had completed his 'New Vitality' lectures in Daytona Beach, Florida, and on the 30th anniversary of Hubbard's 'Babalon (sic) Working' Magic(k)al ritual to invoke a non-human intelligence to use as a means to usher in a new age, during which Christianity would be destroyed. Some think that non-human intelligence is the "spirit" behind Scientology.
It would also seem to qualify as what Otto Roos (old Class 12 and Hubbard confidant) called "Weirdies," which were special projects, apart from Scientology, that Hubbard pursued. One such "Weirdie" was called, "Angels of the moon."
What was Hubbard's motivation for surrounding himself with girls - as young as 12 - and using them as his intimate servants? Slaves really.
Whatever it was, it's noteworthy that amongst Scientologists - both inside the CofS and outside the CofS - this is seen as perfectly acceptable, and the young girls chosen to serve Hubbard are regarded as lucky, having had the honor of serving the Commodore, LRH, and Source.