Anons with E-meter get unexpected result.

[AnonKat]

Posted by themadhair on: now y'er talkin'

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68934710&postcount=124

I can tell you a story that illustrates just how effective this can be. When we got out hands on an e-meter we were doing mock stress tests and the like, to illustrate to the public how the scam worked. When we got word that the CoS were doing stress tests up in Nutt’s Corner we popped down for the day to do our own mock stress tests. Most people were up for it so we weren’t going to be short of volunteers. One woman volunteered and, it went horribly wrong.

One of the tricks used in the test is to ask the person to think of different people in their lives. You then wait for the e-meter to register a reaction. The trick is to then use the e-meter as if it were a ‘scientific’ tool that had registered stress regarding whom the person had though of. This can be quite effective if the person buys into your patter. Unfortunately, on this day in Nutt’s Corner this was a little too true. The woman in question had recently lost her mother a few weeks before. When she though of her mother, and still being in grief over her loss, she clutched the e-meter tins tightly which caused the e-meter needle to have a spasm. In that moment the woman believed that the e-meter had detected this and that it was capable of helping her grief. I tried my best to explain what was going on without much success. Her friend understood what was happening but even she couldn’t make this woman see the scam.

Even though we were only doing mock stress tests, it was more than enough to completely break this poor woman. Had I been part of the CoS I could have sold practically anything such was the state this woman was in. Here was a woman who was quite bright but, due to having had a recent bereavement, was completely vulnerable to this type of test.

Ever since that day we have not done any more mock stress tests. No matter how much you tell someone it is a scam and not matter how much you explain it, if you find their ‘ruin’ you will still end up breaking them. No matter who you are you are still human, and ergo have hopes, wants, dreams, insecurities, failures and all the other traits that humanity brings. The very things that make you human are also the very thing a stress test tries to use against you.

It is very easy to brush off things like this and tell yourself that only ‘weak minded’ people fall for it. When you look at this for long enough and start to understand how it works then you begin to see just how false the ‘weak minded’ thesis really is.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Galvanic skin response, electro-dermal response and psychogalvanic reflex are all very real phenomenons which can detect stress, unfortunately the cult uses them to clean out your wallet and make you a slave to their totalitarian goals

 

[uniquemand]

It has nothing to do with weak minds, or with squeezing the cans.

 

[Feral]

The woman in question had recently lost her mother a few weeks before. When she though of her mother, and still being in grief over her loss, she clutched the e-meter tins tightly which caused the e-meter needle to have a spasm. In that moment the woman believed that the e-meter had detected this and that it was capable of helping her grief. I tried my best to explain what was going on without much success. Her friend understood what was happening but even she couldn’t make this woman see the scam.

You guys need to do more research.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You guys need to do more research.

BUT Feral, they already know it all!


Mark A. Baker

 

[Hubbardianen]

So could you full blown skeptics explain how the needles in this test virtually move exactly the same? If it was a matter of sweat/unsweat or sweatglands opening and closing or similair, how come the needles move exactly the same when connected to different hands and with different kinds of connections (cans vs finger electrodes)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvS_EDs58o

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Yeah, I think I can explain that.. Means that Pauls left hand is knowing what the right one does.. Actually Paul is adjusting the software meter to correlate to the other one. As he explains on the video.

 

[uniquemand]

 

[Hubbardianen]

*LOL* Trying to put up some hardcore evidence and engage in a serious discussion is obviously trolling according to some.

 

[AnonKat]

Can't denie

*LOL* Trying to put up some hardcore evidence and engage in a serious discussion is obviously trolling according to some.

Not to me. Galvanistic Skin Response does exist. Meters are even used in research in Psychiatry in my country.

But the Cans are distorting the readings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clasping them harder makes the part of the Cans touched bigger so it interferes with a proper reading.

And it does sucker people in a Cult. Alsoo people should be informed about BIOFEEDBACK of the body

 

[uniquemand]

you're aware that auditors are trained to detect people squeezing the cans (or letting them go, or shifting position, etc.)? This is not an unknown phenomenon in auditor training.

 

[AnonKat]

problem spolved

you're aware that auditors are trained to detect people squeezing the cans (or letting them go, or shifting position, etc.)? This is not an unknown phenomenon in auditor training.

With this It isn't an Issue any longer

http://www.biofeedbackmeter.co.uk/

 

[Auditor's Toad]

*LOL* Trying to put up some hardcore evidence and engage in a serious discussion is obviously trolling according to some.

Why not skip playing with meter demonstrations and go to some " hardcore evidence " for a " serious discussion "?

Surely this Hubbardianen would be willing to jump past how a needle wiggles or doesn't or how an FN should or shouldn't look like windshield wipers in mist mode or some such.

How about Hubbardianen post some " hardcore evidence " by presenting just one clear here to show they are clear per the LRH definition.

How about one OT ? I'd prefer an OT VII have a " serious discussion " here and demonstrate " cause over life " to us.

Come on down with that " hardcore evidence " and let's have that " serious discussion " you want to have... right here, right now.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Why not skip playing with meter demonstrations and go to some " hardcore evidence " for a " serious discussion "?

Surely this Hubbardianen would be willing to jump past how a needle wiggles or doesn't or how an FN should or shouldn't look like windshield wipers in mist mode or some such.

How about Hubbardianen post some " hardcore evidence " by presenting just one clear here to show they are clear per the LRH definition.

How about one OT ? I'd prefer an OT VII have a " serious discussion " here and demonstrate " cause over life " to us.

Come on down with that " hardcore evidence " and let's have that " serious discussion " you want to have... right here, right now.

I suppose this could be called a "concrete man" logical fallacy.

Just because Clear and OT, per Hubbard's hyperbole, don't exist, that does not mean that every single damn thing in the subject — which comes from many sources other than Hubbard's ass — is also false.

Paul

 

[Feral]

*LOL* Trying to put up some hardcore evidence and engage in a serious discussion is obviously trolling according to some.

Didn't mean you I don't think.

 

[Feral]

I suppose this could be called a "concrete man" logical fallacy.

Just because Clear and OT, per Hubbard's hyperbole, don't exist, that does not mean that every single damn thing in the subject — which comes from many sources other than Hubbard's ass — is also false.

Paul

This is the issue that so many people/critics get caught in, then look like asses when they tell those with 25 years experience it was all imaginary,

 

[AnonKat]

exactly

I suppose this could be called a "concrete man" logical fallacy.

Just because Clear and OT, per Hubbard's hyperbole, don't exist, that does not mean that every single damn thing in the subject — which comes from many sources other than Hubbard's ass — is also false.

Paul

The Galvanic Skin Response
(GSR) Meter​

by Peter Shepherd

Psycho-analytical procedures are greatly enhanced by the use of a simple GSR Meter, a type of psycho-galvanometer. This serves to point out to the practitioner those emotionally "charged" topics which pass through the subject's mind, either consciously or pre-consciously. Without this device the practitioner is relying solely on body language; with the device, therapeutic procedures are so much more effective that it is now possible to use powerful techniques much more efficiently and successfully, and even to apply them upon oneself as the subject. The Monitor operates by the Galvanic Skin Response of the body.

http://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/wetware/gsr.html

 

[Feral]

Why not skip playing with meter demonstrations and go to some " hardcore evidence " for a " serious discussion "?

Surely this Hubbardianen would be willing to jump past how a needle wiggles or doesn't or how an FN should or shouldn't look like windshield wipers in mist mode or some such.

How about Hubbardianen post some " hardcore evidence " by presenting just one clear here to show they are clear per the LRH definition.

How about one OT ? I'd prefer an OT VII have a " serious discussion " here and demonstrate " cause over life " to us.

Come on down with that " hardcore evidence " and let's have that " serious discussion " you want to have... right here, right now.

OK, I spent 15 years on solo and my wife attested.

What do you want to know?

Warning; I think I had an MU on "cause over life".

 

[Auditor's Toad]

I suppose this could be called a "concrete man" logical fallacy.

Just because Clear and OT, per Hubbard's hyperbole, don't exist, that does not mean that every single damn thing in the subject — which comes from many sources other than Hubbard's ass — is also false.

Paul

And I'd agree with you on that for the most part.

Sometimes I try to make a quick post and try not to write a book so what I say comes across as not entirely accurate - and that I'm aware of.

Also the crowd that still thinks Hubbard is God and is right about everything tends to get me in a pull their chain mode .

So, yes, I'd agree there are some things that are good ( and these days I'd argue there are things that better accomplish some of the helpful things Hubbard was trying to do ) in that have the potential to help people to some degree.

That said, I think the overall price one must pay in the C o S makes what they offer these days far far too expensive to begin to consider.

And, yes, I'm aware that some people deliver scientology processes outside the church and do so at least as well as it was ever delivered - if not better.

My bitch would be that it seems for some people :

"Ron said it.
I believe it.
And that settles it."

Either I was graduated from that school or flunked out - doesn't matter, I'm out

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

I don't see any value in admitting that some of scientology works or is ok... Why?

First, that's their own damned PR and marketing departments job. To gush over the goodness of it.. It's not my job!

Second. I don't have the opinion that any of it is any good. It's not that I lie or state falsehoods. It's my damned opinion that it's all shit and cack, from one end to the other-

So there!