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November

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So, I've been out of the cult for... about five years now. I was a staff member at an org, I was sent to CCInt and Flag for training and spent at least four years within the Sea Org standards of living as an OOT; all told I think I spent six to eight years involved in Scientology.

Despite the fact that life is much better than it was when I was in the cult, I still find myself plagued with problems-problems I attribute to residual emotional blowback from being "in" and then getting "out". Though I have many reasons to be happy in my current life, I am not. I feel depressed at times, I have nightmares, I find it hard to trust others. (Either I think they're incompetent due to cult conditioning, or I am afraid they are as deceptive as the cult was) I find it hard to make friends because I feel obligated to denote I'm "damaged goods" from the get-go, as I am an ex-Scientologist. And on the subject of friends, it's hard to talk to friends about my time involved with the COS, because it's hard for them to have any reality on what it was like, and any attempts to expound usually make me feel like I'm being morose.

My biggest issues are the nightmares. When I first got out, man, it was rough! I'd have these terrors where I'd kick and thrash and scream myself awake. Those faded, and then I settled into a period of about monthly dreams of the cult. Though less frequent, these dreams linger with me, reminding me while I'm awake of just how "not over it" I really am. They're usually always different settings, but the plot is one of three things. A) I am being pursued by the cult to re-join and I usually find myself back in, after a period of resistance. B) I am the 'hero' of the tale, rescuing women and children from the Flag Base, usually followed by a pursuit, and my eventual going back to the cult. C) I am doing a routine action as a cult member, either auditing, being the pc, supervising, doing a meter drill, etc.. and I suddenly remember how false Scientology is. This startles me into stopping the action, and then the other people in my dream force me to forget that Scientology is all a lie.

All three are terrifying, because it's like Orwell's 1984 ending where *spoilers!* Winston Smith ends up loving Big Brother after they tortured him and his lover, Julia. In each and every scenario, despite my REAL intentions of never setting foot in another Scientology building or speaking to a Scientologist ever again, I always "come around" to them at the end.

The tipping point for me happened today, well, last night. It started two weeks ago when I had a "type C" nightmare. I was supervising a courseroom, when I suddenly remembered that everything about the scene was wrong. I tried to leave the courseroom, but my students (who had morphed into goldenrod-clad Flag MAAs) chased me into the basement and forced me to relax. They said that I was having another restimulation, and that I was actually crazy. That my "REAL" life in rural-ville with my goats and dogs and garden was all a fabrication, and that I was only dreaming when I thought I was living there. When I woke up in a cold sweat, I had this fuzzy thought float up from the nightmare, "What if they were right? What if THIS is the dream and when I wake up, I'll find out I'm actually having pneumonia in the ISO dorms?"

Which is one hell of a mindfuck, letmetellyou.

Fortunately, I was able to verify that I am not, in fact, hallucinating my freedom from this cult. The lights work in my house, I can read fine, and pinching hurts. (Don't laugh-I had to test and make sure!)

Though I knew it was all just a bad dream, I became afraid of going to sleep. I try and stay up as long as possible, so by 2 or 4 in the morning I am too exhausted to dream during those few hours of sleep before work. That plan didn't work out so well, because the past two weeks have been a jumble of too many nightmares. Last night, I dreamt that my lover died. In my grief, I wound up in the all-too-convenient arms of the cult. Then I discovered that members of the cult had actually murdered my lover to get me to come back. After I escaped, I had a fight with a giant anaconda, because my subconscious is a dick and likes to fuck with me.

Sure it was a dream, you might say. It felt real. It felt so real that I had to touch my lover, sobbing all the while. This whole day has been gross, I feel like I've got some sort of mental flu.

Right. I'm going to have to stop myself from deleting all of the above text, because I really do think that I need some sort of support group. You were all pretty supportive when I first left, but I revealed too much about myself and OSA got involved.... and i've stayed away ever since. I'm going to try and stay as anonymous as possible now, because of that. However; the closest thing I have to friends who understand what kind of turmoil I'm going through now are an army vet with PTSD from the wars overseas, and an ex-Southern Baptist. Both are really super; but not exactly what I think I need.

I think the intention of this and future posts is for me to gather my thoughts on my experiences in the cult, compare notes as to how my experiences relate to other's, and perhaps find some way to calm myself down long enough to sleep for a few hours without harassing myself in my own dreams.

I spent so much time, these past five years, trying to forget-to push all those bad memories and false ideas into a tiny little close in the back of my mind. But those things we like to shove away can mutate into terrible monsters when we're not looking. Hopefully getting them out of that closet and looking at them through the critical lens of writing will help me.

At least I'm not alone anymore, right? :)

-November

.:: For some reason, I attempted to post this earlier and it didnt show., sorry for the double post- if that happens! ::.
 

Intentionally Blank

Scientology Widow
Welcome to EMSB :cheers: We're glad you're here. I'm so glad you didn't delete your text. It helps to get it out, I think. And it will help to be able to share and explore with others. I wish I had more time. Know that you are very welcome here.

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Dean Blair

Silver Meritorious Patron
Welcome to ESMB. I had felt a lot of the things you are experiencing in the beginning when I left Scientology. I was in for forty years. Anyway, by coming here and reading what others have experienced and reading several books written by ex Scientologists and also reading some of the other blogs from ex Scientologists I was able to return to normal.

It might be a good idea to seek some professional help in the area where you live. Talking it over with a real therapist who has had experience with such things might help you to get freed up from these nightmares that you have been having.
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi November.

No, you are not alone. I had a period of terrifying nightmares, and dreaded going to sleep. At the height of it I simply did not sleep. The exhaustion was slightly more bearable than the internal chaos that erupted when I slept.

I had to always have a light on because when the nightmares woke me I would be utterly disoriented and terrified. I would wake sobbing. Ghastly times. Having a light on helped soothe and calm me.

I sought professional help. I read extensively. I learned how to be mindful. I carved out a way to heal. It took time, and was, for me, a big job. The good news is the world is full of loving, kind, generous, smart people who "held my hand" as I worked through the chaotic mind control and found my way home to peace, love and the ability to truly know myself.

True healing is an "inside job", different for each person. It is a powerful journey and one which now I am on "even ground", I can speak of the amazing discoveries I made along the way to no longer being disempowered by cult crap.

I see cult recovery as one of the greatest challenges, but also one of the most inspiring opportunities, I've ever experienced. I've done HUGE reframing work on just about every damn thing possible.

So, I guess what I am trying to say here is true healing from the cult takes hard work, digging deep, not avoiding self, the dark bits, the perfections, the true authentic wonder within each of us.

I still sleep with a light on. These days it is not a light beside the bed though, it is a light in another room. I keep it on so I can navigate my way to the loo in the middle of the night should I need to. Life has moved on for me, I still pee, I am wonderfully alive. I survived undoing scientology mind control! :)
 

MissWog

Silver Meritorious Patron
Welcome November!
Thank you so much for opening up and sharing your feelings. Sounds like you have been here before so you know you will get the support you need from some really wonderful people here. I was never a member but I hope at some point I can help you too, maybe at least make you laugh one or twice.

PTSD is a mind fuck so just know you are not going crazy..you are working through the trauma in your dreams. Listen to those dreams to guide you so you know what kind of help you should get, here on the forum and professionally.

Bless your heart and congratulate yourself for seeking support!

{{{{{hugs}}}}}
Missy
 
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Check out nutrition to help with anxiety/depression and disturbed sleep.
Check out amino acids. They can be very effective and are not addictive.
5-HTP will help a lot to reduce the stress that comes about from lack of sleep and other causes.
 

Lohan2008

Gold Meritorious Patron
November, make sure that your diet is good and eat lots of fresh foods. Being outside in the Sun is good for depression. Working in backyard also helps.
You will have to have "faith" that you can leave your old cult ersonality behind, that you CAN be free to have your own interest and enjoy yourself.
Continue to talk to Exscn as we will listen and understand the "mind f#ck"...
 

Churchill

Gold Meritorious Patron
It gets easier, but be patient with yourself.

The mind-rape of Scientology that we experienced, and participated in, was

in the past, but some effects linger into the present.

In time, you will peel back more and more layers of the onion.

You will recover. It takes time, though.
 

Mary

Patron with Honors
You are not alone. Really appreciate that you posted here, it helps a lot to talk to people who have gone through the same sort of thing. ESMB was a life-saver for me, much of my family were still in the church mindset and there was no-one to talk to.

I think the dreams are all part of the recovery, they can be very scary and painful. It seems to me that it’s the mind way of trying to repair itself. George Orwell’s 1984 was my favourite book, all the time I was in the cult, I kept seeing shadows of it and kept brushing aside those nagging doubts as my own O/Ws, but they kept turning up in my dreams, until one day, I could no longer ignore them and had to face the truth that this was not a path to spiritual enlightenment, but a rather nasty, power hungry, money grabbing cult.

Would love to read more of your story.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Welcome Another attempt at recovery.

I am not fully sane but I will make you my bro even if you are a girl, Thank you for your vast and "ïmpinging"story

So, I've been out of the cult for... about five years now. I was a staff member at an org, I was sent to CCInt and Flag for training and spent at least four years within the Sea Org standards of living as an OOT; all told I think I spent six to eight years involved in Scientology.

Despite the fact that life is much better than it was when I was in the cult, I still find myself plagued with problems-problems I attribute to residual emotional blowback from being "in" and then getting "out". Though I have many reasons to be happy in my current life, I am not. I feel depressed at times, I have nightmares, I find it hard to trust others. (Either I think they're incompetent due to cult conditioning, or I am afraid they are as deceptive as the cult was) I find it hard to make friends because I feel obligated to denote I'm "damaged goods" from the get-go, as I am an ex-Scientologist. And on the subject of friends, it's hard to talk to friends about my time involved with the COS, because it's hard for them to have any reality on what it was like, and any attempts to expound usually make me feel like I'm being morose.

My biggest issues are the nightmares. When I first got out, man, it was rough! I'd have these terrors where I'd kick and thrash and scream myself awake. Those faded, and then I settled into a period of about monthly dreams of the cult. Though less frequent, these dreams linger with me, reminding me while I'm awake of just how "not over it" I really am. They're usually always different settings, but the plot is one of three things. A) I am being pursued by the cult to re-join and I usually find myself back in, after a period of resistance. B) I am the 'hero' of the tale, rescuing women and children from the Flag Base, usually followed by a pursuit, and my eventual going back to the cult. C) I am doing a routine action as a cult member, either auditing, being the pc, supervising, doing a meter drill, etc.. and I suddenly remember how false Scientology is. This startles me into stopping the action, and then the other people in my dream force me to forget that Scientology is all a lie.

All three are terrifying, because it's like Orwell's 1984 ending where *spoilers!* Winston Smith ends up loving Big Brother after they tortured him and his lover, Julia. In each and every scenario, despite my REAL intentions of never setting foot in another Scientology building or speaking to a Scientologist ever again, I always "come around" to them at the end.

The tipping point for me happened today, well, last night. It started two weeks ago when I had a "type C" nightmare. I was supervising a courseroom, when I suddenly remembered that everything about the scene was wrong. I tried to leave the courseroom, but my students (who had morphed into goldenrod-clad Flag MAAs) chased me into the basement and forced me to relax. They said that I was having another restimulation, and that I was actually crazy. That my "REAL" life in rural-ville with my goats and dogs and garden was all a fabrication, and that I was only dreaming when I thought I was living there. When I woke up in a cold sweat, I had this fuzzy thought float up from the nightmare, "What if they were right? What if THIS is the dream and when I wake up, I'll find out I'm actually having pneumonia in the ISO dorms?"

Which is one hell of a mindfuck, letmetellyou.

Fortunately, I was able to verify that I am not, in fact, hallucinating my freedom from this cult. The lights work in my house, I can read fine, and pinching hurts. (Don't laugh-I had to test and make sure!)

Though I knew it was all just a bad dream, I became afraid of going to sleep. I try and stay up as long as possible, so by 2 or 4 in the morning I am too exhausted to dream during those few hours of sleep before work. That plan didn't work out so well, because the past two weeks have been a jumble of too many nightmares. Last night, I dreamt that my lover died. In my grief, I wound up in the all-too-convenient arms of the cult. Then I discovered that members of the cult had actually murdered my lover to get me to come back. After I escaped, I had a fight with a giant anaconda, because my subconscious is a dick and likes to fuck with me.

Sure it was a dream, you might say. It felt real. It felt so real that I had to touch my lover, sobbing all the while. This whole day has been gross, I feel like I've got some sort of mental flu.

Right. I'm going to have to stop myself from deleting all of the above text, because I really do think that I need some sort of support group. You were all pretty supportive when I first left, but I revealed too much about myself and OSA got involved.... and i've stayed away ever since. I'm going to try and stay as anonymous as possible now, because of that. However; the closest thing I have to friends who understand what kind of turmoil I'm going through now are an army vet with PTSD from the wars overseas, and an ex-Southern Baptist. Both are really super; but not exactly what I think I need.

I think the intention of this and future posts is for me to gather my thoughts on my experiences in the cult, compare notes as to how my experiences relate to other's, and perhaps find some way to calm myself down long enough to sleep for a few hours without harassing myself in my own dreams.

I spent so much time, these past five years, trying to forget-to push all those bad memories and false ideas into a tiny little close in the back of my mind. But those things we like to shove away can mutate into terrible monsters when we're not looking. Hopefully getting them out of that closet and looking at them through the critical lens of writing will help me.

At least I'm not alone anymore, right? :)

-November

.:: For some reason, I attempted to post this earlier and it didnt show., sorry for the double post- if that happens! ::.
 

November

Patron
Thank you for the kind welcome! I wasn't expecting such a fast response-but you guys are just as friendly as I remember.

In regards to professional help, I have to admit I am interested. I think I got over the "psychs are all bad" mentality, but I don't know what kind of specialist to see- I think I would prefer to have a person who is familiar with Scientology, so I dont have to spend time explaining how their system runs, yanno? If only there was a way to co-therapy!

I'll look into the Amino Acids for sure. You guys are really super awesome. I'm a bit speechless on how great your replies have made me feel. :) (seriously, Imma hug you all!) Thank you.





When I look back on my admittedly short life, I see a lot of failures. As the oldest of many children, I was always expected to be the example of model behavior, yet I usually ended up being the example of what not to do. Though I never "partied" with drugs and alcohol in middle and high school, I was still the "bad kid". I read novels during math class, because my teenaged self could never be convinced that anything more than basic math was a necessity. I was the first to leave the Christian sect my family had raised me in, and I neer really got into the groove of having siblings. My brothers and sisters were annoyances at best, and tattletales at worst. Basic kid stuff, teenage angst, etc... I guess I wasn't a TERRIBLE child, (it could have been worse) but when my family and I became engaged with Scientology, I really ate up the love bombing.

I read Dianetics as a kind of intro book, before I really realized what Scientology was. That's kind of like saying I read the bible several times while in that christian sect. I was a kid, I obviously didn't understand it all, but at the core of my understanding was the fact that there were answers to questions I had started having; why are we here? what's the purpose of life? why can't I get along with others? Now that we were going to the org on a regular basis, people I considered authority figures (staff members, older&wiser Scientologists and FSMs) were suddenly talking to me as an adult. Like a real person! They were always telling me how great I was. How uptone and positive I was. How theta my presence was.... kind of makes me want to barf now, but I think that this was my first taste of "genuine" (i.e. not from my family) admiration and I became ADDICTED to it. To be clear-what got me hooked on Scientology wasn't just the promise of answers, it was the promise of companionship and admiration.

When the inevitable reg cycle for me to join staff happened, it should come as no surprise that I accepted. I just did not know how soon the love would start to wear off.


After joining staff, I alienated my then already-on-the-rocks non-Scientologist boyfriend by telling him that after the eighth grade was over, I was moving to California or Florida to study my new religion. Initially this had no real effect on him, because a few months before I had announced that I had contact with a casting agency for Disney and was going to be a model or actress in a few years. He attended some seminars with me and my family, and even let me do some self analysis on him over the phone. (We would talk late at night until the sun came up most nights of the week)

Gradually, though, I think he began to see that Scientology was already making me crazy. If I had to pinpoint the exact moment I think the relationship ended for him, I'd say it was during one of our late night clandestine phone calls. We were discussing past lives- I was very sensationalized by the stories I had read in Have You Lived Before This Life? and he was still on the more Catholic side of the fence. Since I was 14 and certain that I was the star of my very own Adventure Novel, I told him that I thought that maybe I was the reincarnation of L Ron Hubbard himself. I was, after all, a very special girl.

((The above paragraph is absolutely humiliating to think about. But it's true! I think this is a good moment that shows how fanatic I had become. I didn't continue to think this; in fact I had never BELIEVED before or since that I was LRH...but it was a passing thought my 14 year old self thought entirely possible.))

He didn't exactly break up with me then and there, but the next week when I saw him kissing on a "rival" girl in school, I got the hint. :eyeroll:

I was a young kid, and immediately bounced back from that guy to a cute son of an executive at the cult. By the time I got to start my wonderful adventure in California, I had read (but not really understood) KSW, done the Staff Statuses, and spent some time trying to get other Scientology teens to come into course for the summer. Combined with some Div-6 courses and an intensive of Life Repair on my parent's dime the full scope of my understanding of Scientology was barely the bottom of the giant Bridge chart they hang on the walls.

Regardless of how little I knew of them, I was still very much smitten with Scientology and Scientologists. Clears and OT's were like a kind of movie star celebrity to me. And lo and behold, those very same people I looked up to showered me with praise for being so smart, so young, so amazing. (I wish you could hear the sarcasm in my voice as you mentally hear those words. If only I had been a little less "awesome" I think I wouldn't have gotten so intrenched.)


I think next time I'm going to skip ahead to after my time in California. I'm not really sure how to write about it in a way that isn't identifiable. I did the Purif, Student Hat, the 2 Div 6 Dianetics book courses, (This was before the BASICS!) the HQS course, TR's and Objectives, the PTS/SP course (because I got sick) while I was there.

I shall return this evening to write a bit more, I think.

-November
 

Lori

Cheryl E Love
:welcome: November!

I'm sure others have said this but let me say YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

I too went thru the nightmares, waking panicked, and scared to open my eyes for fear the dreams were real and I would be back in my dingy apartment.

It will pass. You will meet some wonderful caring people here that share your experiences. Read more and slowly but surely the trust will return.

First tho....trust yourself. Trust your instincts and judgment that comes from deep in your soul. Trust that you can say or ask practically anything here without condemnation or judgement. :grouphug:
 

Arthur Dent

Silver Meritorious Patron
Big welcome, November! :welcome2:

B1 and cal mag. lol. Hubbard invented neither. They help. And at least a multi-.
Take a walk, do an outdoor activity daily. Something extroverting. Take good care of yourself.

I find, several years out, that I hit a wall and the words "I was a scientologist for a stupidly long time" just won't come out of my mouth. It's erie. I frequently want to say
it and it just won't roll off my tongue. I'm tempted sometimes to spill but feel the other person won't even get it anyway and I'll look like a complete jackass.
So, I don't bother. And I don't like it either but, hell, it's a past that now looks bizarre to even myself. I don't expect anyone to understand what I've been through.
You just set yourself up, if you do - my opinion. Except a good therapist, maybe. But you can let it all hang out here. :)

Nightmares - my feeling is that they are a way of processing out old information and that maybe they're part of the recovery process. Maybe just observe them. Keep a journal of them.
It may help. Dreams have a way of evaporating quickly, so jot them down. See how they change and just observe them, nothing more. They will dissipate eventually.

For me they were a loud and clear message: DON'T GO BACK!! I experienced all the guilt and worry and nightmares you can imagine when I left and my last dream was me opening a life improvement
center and it was going just fine, lots of happy little people and then the uniforms showed up to forcibly make me turn it into a class v org and it freaked me out so badly I woke up in
a sweat and shaking. I had been toying with the idea of continuing to use the tek at the time and had fleeting thoughts of it and that nightmare put an end to it all. I knew it was nuts.

I've found this board to be my therapy. I was terrified earlier. Now I don't give a crap. It wasn't til I was out a few years that I made any real major change in my life for the better.
I just hung out doing what I do. But the change made all the difference. Figure out something you've always wanted to do and start on it. Take a big bite of life every day and keep moving forward.
The dreams won't follow you for long. They can't get you. Nobody owns you. And you're safe here. :yes:
 

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
Big welcome, November! :welcome2:

B1 and cal mag. lol. Hubbard invented neither. They help. And at least a multi-.
Take a walk, do an outdoor activity daily. Something extroverting. Take good care of yourself.

I find, several years out, that I hit a wall and the words "I was a scientologist for a stupidly long time" just won't come out of my mouth. It's erie. I frequently want to say
it and it just won't roll off my tongue. I'm tempted sometimes to spill but feel the other person won't even get it anyway and I'll look like a complete jackass.
So, I don't bother. And I don't like it either but, hell, it's a past that now looks bizarre to even myself. I don't expect anyone to understand what I've been through.
You just set yourself up, if you do - my opinion. Except a good therapist, maybe. But you can let it all hang out here. :)

Nightmares - my feeling is that they are a way of processing out old information and that maybe they're part of the recovery process. Maybe just observe them. Keep a journal of them.
It may help. Dreams have a way of evaporating quickly, so jot them down. See how they change and just observe them, nothing more. They will dissipate eventually.

For me they were a loud and clear message: DON'T GO BACK!! I experienced all the guilt and worry and nightmares you can imagine when I left and my last dream was me opening a life improvement
center and it was going just fine, lots of happy little people and then the uniforms showed up to forcibly make me turn it into a class v org and it freaked me out so badly I woke up in
a sweat and shaking. I had been toying with the idea of continuing to use the tek at the time and had fleeting thoughts of it and that nightmare put an end to it all. I knew it was nuts.

I've found this board to be my therapy. I was terrified earlier. Now I don't give a crap. It wasn't til I was out a few years that I made any real major change in my life for the better.
I just hung out doing what I do. But the change made all the difference. Figure out something you've always wanted to do and start on it. Take a big bite of life every day and keep moving forward.
The dreams won't follow you for long. They can't get you. Nobody owns you. And you're safe here. :yes:




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hummingbird

Patron with Honors
After joining staff, I alienated my then already-on-the-rocks non-Scientologist boyfriend by telling him that after the eighth grade was over, ...

First off, welcome November!! You will find lots of support and true friendship here. It took a good deal of courage and personal integrity to leave the cult, and you should be proud of yourself for taking this step.

That said, this snippet of your story made my jaw drop... OMG... you were a child when they got their hooks in you. You hadn't really had a chance to live life, and build the experiences that you could now use as a buffer for the creepies when they hit you in the middle of the night.

Even us oldsters have nightmares. When I first got out (in my 30s) I felt weird and damaged and dealing with people in normal day-to-day situations was totally unreal. But, recovery has occurred.

Hold this thought: There is life at the end of the tunnel. And it's beautiful. You will recover. There are some wonderful ideas in this thread. Be kind to yourself and brrr-eee-aaathe.
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
:welcome2:, November. Take your time, deep breaths, and gently nurture yourself. Sharing your story can be a very cathartic experience. Rediscovering yourself post cult is the real freedom. You aren't alone. Namaste.
 

JustSheila

Crusader
WELCOME, November! :welcome2:

:goodposting:

Oh man, the nightmares. I feel for you. I was in the SO for 9 years and left well over 20 years ago, but my scn nightmares only stopped completely a few years ago, though they did become less frequent and upsetting as time went by.

I got through the bad weeks with over-the-counter sleeping pills. Nothing with codeine, just your standard Tylenol with sleepaid, and sometimes a natural sort of sleeping pill. They worked great and kept me functional.

I've had a lot of formal counselling, too, and was on antidepressants on and off and highly recommend you do the same. Antidepressants are a lifesaver. They do NOT change your personality and whatever you read or heard on the anti-psych or scn sites is just not true. The new ones are SO subtle, and they clear that awful depressive fog away so you can actually think clearly and really be yourself.

You've made a good decision coming here - ESMB is therapeutic, and here you will find many others who have been through similar and can relate to the oddball experiences of the cult of scientology and help you with your recovery.

You are amongst friends who understand. Relax. :grouphug:
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
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Check out nutrition to help with anxiety/depression and disturbed sleep.
Check out amino acids. They can be very effective and are not addictive.
5-HTP will help a lot to reduce the stress that comes about from lack of sleep and other causes.

You can also try SAM-e. My wife says it greatly reduces feelings of stress.

When trying new things like 5-HTP or SAM-e, it's good to only try one at a time, take the new thing for a month and see if it makes a positive difference. That way, if you experience a bad reaction, you know which thing you are having a reaction to.
 
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