Another attempt at recovery.

[Helena Handbasket]

Helena - I was so freaked out by THE PSYCHS when I left the cult of Scientology - I would not have anything to do with them and felt this way too! What I realized is Scientology manipulates the followers into thinking and believing NO ONE can help anyone except Scientology and the entire field of Psychiatry is evil and must be destroyed

Over time, when I needed to learn what happened to me and how I got so trapped into the Scientological Mind Trap and wanted OUT - I slowly started reading articles written by "THE PSYCHS" and found them to be absolutely true and helpful.

While I do not condone drugging people to solve problems and agree that the psych drugs are dangerous - NOT ALL Psychs are evil and want to destroy. Scientology had indoctrinated ME into thinking black and white on the subject. I believe Hubbard did not want to get caught at all the plagiarism and stuff he copied from "THE PSYCHS" not to mention the war he started fighting with THE PSYCHS due to them invalidating Dianetics. Even Hubbard admits in his "TEK" that people need an enemy and he enforced his enemy on Scientologists, which they still have to this day even though Hubbard is long gone and has never returned. He would be about 30 years old by now - so where is RON??? Past lives and we come back...where is the proof of that?

As far as CCHR goes - when I was in I noticed they did not do anything about "THE PSYCHS". It is a pure dog and pony show ... the evil enemy all Scientologists must have and must fight. A few volunteers would find some perverted "Psych" that molested clients and turn them in...get them prosecuted and that was it! There is no real education happening out in the real world from CCHR - in fact, no one has ever heard of CCHR. The industry of death mobiles were always placed in a off-beat location with no foot traffic and no one coming into the exhibit except a few stragglers. The Church would make the public pay the rent for the "IOD display" location and no one would rent to them...because it is Scientology. The Church really did not care - this is just part of the Dog and Pony show to give members the illusion that Scientology was doing something about it...when in fact, they do nothing but regg for money.

When I was doing my DOUBT formula - I looked at CCHR's financial statements they had on line. This was 2010. The IAS only contributed $1,000,000 to CCHR - that is it!! The IAS takes in hundreds of millions and they pay the attorney's more than that with one lawsuit - if it protects David Miscavige! So - how is CCHR suppose to take out the Psychs and stop the drugging of our children with only $1,000,000 from the IAS! What a show Miscavige puts on. Also, the people running CCHR get a salary - while the rest of the staff and Sea Org members volunteer. Something is not right with that!

I had a friend who was dealing with prescription drug addiction. When I was in - I contacted CCHR and they did nothing and did not care. All they did was suggest I get them to a Narconon Center. Narconon demanded $40K up front and the person had no money - so CCHR threw them under the bus! NO HELP at all!

I have found so many articles from "THE PSYCHS" to help me deal with emotions and feelings Scientology never helped me with. I don't take drugs and I don't condone it. Scientology damages people utterly. It is a cult and L Ron Hubbard was a CON! Scientology needs a BLACK BOX WARNING! It is dangerous to your mental, emotional, physical and spritual health! Just read the hundreds of thousands of horror stories on the internet on how Scientology bankrupts, spiritually rapes and harms everyone that comes in its path!

Psychs aren't so bad. I used to think they are but they're not (although there are a few truly evil types out there).

But WebMD is not just about psych drugs. They have a very definite slant towards all high-priced patent medicines, and it seems to me they're mainly there to protect drug company profits.

Helena

 

[November]

Hello Knows,

- When this is done, there we can work the desensitization. The therapist work close with the persone to customize
a specific protocle, with his\her agreement - to perform this process - wich is the one who bring the great relief
and the experience everything is now fine. It gives back the person her own power over emotions and situations.
The person can now realize he\she is back in the present time and his\her brain is not reactin anymore to a past event.

Hope it can be of help!

thank you for your in-depth explanation! This is the one step that terrifies me. Like, there's an org in my Aunt's city that we drove by once, and just being near the damn place made my skin crawl. I had to request that we never drive that part of the road again.

Have any of you watched The Following? there's a scene where FBI Agent Parker goes back to her old cult community and speaks with her parents, in an attempt to forgive them for raising her in the cult and also letting the cult leader rape her. That scene really moved me, because whhile I forgive my own parents, who are out, I dont know that I can forgive the specific SO members who hurt me, nor can I really forgive hubbard, or the Scientology group in general. I'd like to think that could happen, but it doesnt feel likely.

Another thing on PTSD and therapy in general...

I'm kind of under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that getting therapy is an expensive process that's there to make the rich feel better about themselves. I know this belief is in stark contrast to the fact that I feel like I have a problem that needs help fixing. But I can't shake the feeling that going to a therapist is a way of saying "hey look, I'm special cause I have this problem with my mind."

I guess I'm still wrestling with the idea. My partner has never been a Scientologist, nor a member of any organized religion or group. When I talk to him about how crazy the cult is/was, he often tells me that he doesnt understand how anyone could get trapped in what's obviously a cult. I believe he told his parents he was never going to church again when he was eight, because the christian church his family was a part of would ask for money from their parishioners. So he's always been a bit of a cynic his whole life, and he probably would have never fallen for Scientology's traps... He's also a firm believer in self-determination being the only thing that matters. (for example, the very poor are poor and stay poor because they dont have enough self control to save money or get a better job. OR that very obese people are fat because they just dont have the willpower to diet and exercise.) I dont agree with him, but I'm a bit more of a Democrat, yanno?

anyways, if I decide I want to go the route of therapy, I know his reaction would be sardonic. hence, I am on the fence.

 

[lotus]

thank you for your in-depth explanation! This is the one step that terrifies me. Like, there's an org in my Aunt's city that we drove by once, and just being near the damn place made my skin crawl. I had to request that we never drive that part of the road again.

Oh, I can get what you experience.
I had wrote something on my previous post but took it out to not get too much in personal stuff.

When I left the cult I could not drive near a Psychiatric hospital I would have a strong panic attack and be completely
exhausted from fighting these strong emotions. I felt like I could one day be forced to be trapped into these hells and was so scared. Believe it or not, this trauma came from the baby watch I had to do with people on psychotic break within the cult. My life had been endangered and also I could see the deep despair of these people neglected, treated like degraded beings and deprived of proper medical care. My brain computed that a psychiatric hospital is a place they do that and that, as $cientologist, anyone can suddenly have a psychotic break and be locked in there. I woujd drive a mile more to avoid such hospital on my way even thoug I myself never had such psychiatric issue within or out the cult.
It was weird.

Later on, after my CBT, I had to go at this psychiatric hospital for often meeting people who rent free space to have their offices in a empty wings. (nothing related to psychiatry) I sware, I can now go there and enjoy the nice landscaping and trees. I see psychiatric patients in there and in my mind it's not anymore a baby-watched type 3 locked and isolated in a room (Lisa McPherson)

So, don't be worry, the only side effect of CBT is to lower the strong emotions and give back the ability to see things from a perspective of what they are without the old PTSD dark glasses.

I'm kind of under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that getting therapy is an expensive process that's there to make the rich feel better about themselves. I know this belief is in stark contrast to the fact that I feel like I have a problem that needs help fixing. But I can't shake the feeling that going to a therapist is a way of saying "hey look, I'm special cause I have this problem with my mind."

I think it may come from what therapy was in the 70's. It was a fashion thing for rich and famous who like to mindsturbate with their therapist for years to feel very much special and gave them thousands of dollars.

A cognitive behavioral therapy is very far from psychoanalysis - it's something we constantly use to educate children and make them have their own experience in life. There is no coach - no transe - only communication and exercices to do at home.

anyways, if I decide I want to go the route of therapy, I know his reaction would be sardonic. hence, I am on the fence.

When you decide to jump - don't forget it's not a cult - you can get out of the process whenever you decide or if you dislike the therapist. Usually they can give an estimate for how much time it will take and how much it will cost, In fact you can ask for the estimate. Then what makes it shorter or longer is your compliance and involvment.

And really, I was a bit ashamed I myself needed a therapist - I felt like weak
Now I am proud to tell anyone I had the courage to look for help and take the problem to heal it.
My view of a therapist has totally changed - people involved with these therapy are courageous
and resilient to make it go right




* look at this link to see a visual presentation of PTSD\CBT - I like how it's made. Very accurate!

http://www.psychologytools.org/ptsd.html

 

[Free Being Me]

thank you for your in-depth explanation! This is the one step that terrifies me. Like, there's an org in my Aunt's city that we drove by once, and just being near the damn place made my skin crawl. I had to request that we never drive that part of the road again.

Have any of you watched The Following? there's a scene where FBI Agent Parker goes back to her old cult community and speaks with her parents, in an attempt to forgive them for raising her in the cult and also letting the cult leader rape her. That scene really moved me, because whhile I forgive my own parents, who are out, I dont know that I can forgive the specific SO members who hurt me, nor can I really forgive hubbard, or the Scientology group in general. I'd like to think that could happen, but it doesnt feel likely.

Another thing on PTSD and therapy in general...

I'm kind of under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that getting therapy is an expensive process that's there to make the rich feel better about themselves. I know this belief is in stark contrast to the fact that I feel like I have a problem that needs help fixing. But I can't shake the feeling that going to a therapist is a way of saying "hey look, I'm special cause I have this problem with my mind."

I guess I'm still wrestling with the idea. My partner has never been a Scientologist, nor a member of any organized religion or group. When I talk to him about how crazy the cult is/was, he often tells me that he doesnt understand how anyone could get trapped in what's obviously a cult. I believe he told his parents he was never going to church again when he was eight, because the christian church his family was a part of would ask for money from their parishioners. So he's always been a bit of a cynic his whole life, and he probably would have never fallen for Scientology's traps... He's also a firm believer in self-determination being the only thing that matters. (for example, the very poor are poor and stay poor because they dont have enough self control to save money or get a better job. OR that very obese people are fat because they just dont have the willpower to diet and exercise.) I dont agree with him, but I'm a bit more of a Democrat, yanno?

anyways, if I decide I want to go the route of therapy, I know his reaction would be sardonic. hence, I am on the fence.

If you decide to choose therapy, it has nothing to do with vanity or being wealthy. Go for yourself or not because it's up to you. That's the beauty of being out of the cult, no more manipulative agendas.

I'm grateful for you sharing your story, the previous post about letting your feelings out is wonderful.

 

[November]

Oh, I can get what you experience.
I had wrote something on my previous post but took it out to not get too much in personal stuff.

When I left the cult I could not drive near a Psychiatric hospital I would have a strong panic attack and be completely
exhausted from fighting these strong emotions. I felt like I could one day be forced to be trapped into these hells and was so scared. Believe it or not, this trauma came from the baby watch I had to do with people on psychotic break within the cult. My life had been endangered and also I could see the deep despair of these people neglected, treated like degraded beings and deprived of proper medical care. My brain computed that a psychiatric hospital is a place they do that and that, as $cientologist, anyone can suddenly have a psychotic break and be locked in there. I woujd drive a mile more to avoid such hospital on my way even thoug I myself never had such psychiatric issue within or out the cult.
It was weird.

Later on, after my CBT, I had to go at this psychiatric hospital for often meeting people who rent free space to have their offices in a empty wings. (nothing related to psychiatry) I sware, I can now go there and enjoy the nice landscaping and trees. I see psychiatric patients in there and in my mind it's not anymore a baby-watched type 3 locked and isolated in a room (Lisa McPherson)

So, don't be worry, the only side effect of CBT is to lower the strong emotions and give back the ability to see things fro what they are without the old PTSD glasses.




I think it may come from what therapy was in the 70's. It was a fashion thing for rich and famous who like to mindsturbate with their therapist for years to fell very much special and gave them thousands of dollars.

A cognitive behavioral therapy is very far from psychoanalysis - it's something we constantly use to educate children and make them have their own experience in life. There is no coach - no transe - only communication and exercices to do at home.

When you decide to jump - don't forget it's not a cult - you can get out of the process whenever you decide or if you dislike the therapist. Usually they can give an estimate for how much time it will take and how much it will cost, In fact you can ask for the estimate. Then what makes it shorter or longer is your compliance and involvment.

And really, I was a bit ashamed I myself needed a therapist - I felt like weak
Now I am proud to tell anyone I had the courage to look for help and take the problem to heal it.
My view of a therapist has totally changed - people involved with these therapy are courageous
and resilient to make it go right




* look at this link to see a visual presentation of PTSD\CBT - I like how it's made. Very accurate!

http://www.psychologytools.org/ptsd.html

Lotus, you have been a HUGE help. That link is very interesting! I really appreciate your story about being afraid of psych hospitals, and I find your view of seeing a therapist as courageous to be very helpful.

 

[lotus]

Shall you enroll and complete sucessfully a CBT about your life inside the cult
I sware you will be able to walk by an org , even though enter one without any fear.

The only side-effect is that you could make yourself a known protester...

 

[Free Being Me]

Warning: depending on WebMD for medical information might be UNSAFE. WebMD is funded by Big Pharma, which has a vested interest in steering people away from herbal, vitamin-based, and natural remedies towards high-priced patent medicines instead. A better name for this web site might be WebDrugCompany.

Helena

I suppose not using cult-speak is better, but darn it, it's just so precise at times.

Helena

Psychs aren't so bad. I used to think they are but they're not (although there are a few truly evil types out there).

But WebMD is not just about psych drugs. They have a very definite slant towards all high-priced patent medicines, and it seems to me they're mainly there to protect drug company profits.

Helena

Paying attention to a cult recovery thread is a first, Helena. But perhaps you missed the point of the thread by not understanding the title: Another attempt at recovery. Elcon & Sector Commander Parmesan Cheese's cult babble has no frame of reference for such a concept which is understandable considering that's exactly what they didn't want. Since you're here maybe you can share some support and info about cult recovery .........

 

[lotus]

-snip[/B] Elcon & Sector Commander Parmesan Cheese's cult babble has no frame of reference for such a concept which is understandable considering that's exactly what they didn't want. Since you're here maybe you can share some support and info about cult recovery .........

Talking about recovery
The first steps usually are

An observation something is wrong with our mind or thaughts (brainswash)
a will to recover from such mindfuck

But, I know you know this

 

[Free to shine]

Sitting there on my boulder in the forest as the sun sparkled through the trees, I realized that the universe is far more connected than I suspected. We all have a little bit of the infinite cosmos in us, and even if the thing that is ME dies and doesnt exist after this life (more on that later, I have a whole lot to talk about on the subject of the whole track and past lives) Even if I die, the things that make up my body and ME will go on to feed the rest of the cosmos.

For the first time since leaving the cult and all its teachings lies behind, I felt that there was actually some meaning in life. even if i couldn't and still cant elucidate that meaning, I know it's there. I felt it.
.............

I think part of the reason is I'm scared. I'm scared to believe too much in anything. I have doubts as to whether I really had a moment back there in the woods, or if I was just trying to justify my mis-emotion. I'm scared that if I devote time to meditation and have cognitions and realizations that I might become a fanatic for THAT, and then I'll just be stuck in another type of cult.

I worry that ANY kind of mental work is bad for me, because Scientology said it was good for me, I THINK i got wins from it... but I dont know anymore.

Thankyou so much for sharing that experience!

What you say about being scared of further exploration and learning is a good example of what I meant about identifying the values and concepts we were brought up with and how they can define our 'after scio' lives. To have an experience that gives you insight into how everything is connected, and in such a profound way is a gift. A gift doesn't have to be examined, analysed or justified as is the scientology way, it can simply be accepted (or rejected). That experience was what it was, as simple as that. It doesn't define you or demand you do anything with or about it.

Scientology told us that there was something wrong with us – we had this dreadful “case” that HAD to be “handled” and they were the ONLY ones who could do that.

Connecting to the natural world and the energy within and without can show the lie of that concept. In those wonderful moments of being totally in the now (and this is a bit different to “present time” which also brings in the concepts of “time track” etc) there is a peace and joy that scientology “tech” could never imagine. Just Google Eckhart Tolle for some amazing videos on this.

The fact that you had “misemotion” is not a bad thing! Scientology doesn’t allow emotion except in a tightly controlled "session" .... it is bad to feel, to love, to experience normal human reactions. It is bad to seek information or help from any other source. It is bad to believe that you can heal yourself or that any other ‘spiritual’ path exists.

If you can stand back and see how these concepts influence you, the fear goes. Just because we were indoctrinated into obsessional belief once doesn’t mean it will happen again. Explore things in your own way because you do now have the freedom of choice. You really do!

 

[lotus]

-snip-

If you can stand back and see how these concepts influence you, the fear goes. Just because we were indoctrinated into obsessional belief once doesn’t mean it will happen again. Explore things in your own way because you do now have the freedom of choice. You really do!

True!

I have personally observed on this board that people who had the courage to walk their own path, without any guru or belief to believe or follow , walking lonely in the night with a very small light within (intuition) are the guys who appears to me
to make their mindfull path here.

IMHO

A mistake happens to make us learn, acting as a teacher!
to make the same mistake again and again should be a concern!
To transform it into something of knowlegde gain from experience is then something very much valuable.

What we have more than a person never involved in a cult
after we did the process ot de-brainwashing
is to know what a cult mind control is and how it is insidious
We also know what was our weakness to be involved in that
despite we were very well intented
and the fact we left and gave up to the mindfuck and pseudo tech scam
is a proof we are stronger that the cult and Uncle Wrong mind control techniques
We face the challenge of starting a new life from scratch
and when we recover a happy life without fears
we have won over the cult, especially while the empathy and compassion we recovered
drives us to help our fellow human beings to leave and recover.

That is when the alchemy magic works
transforming lead into gold
tranforming fear and evil into confidence compassion and love!

This is when we can feel deep inside
Fuc.. the cult!

 

[Panda Termint]

Free To Shine.

(When Thank You and Like just aren't enough.)

 

[DeeAnna]

"I know a few people who are in dreadful shape due to the wrong antidepressant and on medical advice the tapering off may take years so it can make waking life a nightmare too."

I have known a few folks who remained in dreadful shape while taking antidepressants (because the medication did not work for them) but don't think I've known any who got into dreadful shape from taking an antidepressant. I have also not encountered it ever to take years for someone to taper off an antidepressant.

Normally the dosage is reduced about every 4-6 weeks during a "taper down", just as it was increased at that same rate when one starts on it. I cannot imagine anyone being on a high enough dose of anything to need years to reduce the dosage to nothing, if so desired.

I am not trying to argue with what anyone has been told by a friend or a loved one - but honestly, this just does not even make sense if you know anything at all about pharmacology. Sometimes I think people just misunderstand what their doctor said.

For those who don't do well on one antidepressant, there are many available today. The most popular, and the ones that work the best for the most amount of people are the SSRIs. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.
These drugs work by allowing the serotonin that YOUR OWN BODY manufactures to stay out in the synapse area of the brain cells for a little longer. (That's the "reuptake inhibition")

Manufactured by "Big Pharma", they were developed in the Research & Development unit of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer. They were subject to double-blind clinical trials studies of a length of time and with a number of subjects sufficient to satisfy U.S. Food and Drug Administration requirements.

They are manufactured in factories that meet all government requirements for the strength and safety of each tablet, caplet or capsule. This even includes requirements for the even distribution of the drug within a pressed, scored tablet. (A scored tablet is the only kind that should ever be divided due to this requirement.)

Once the drug is approved for release to the marketplace, the manufacturer is required to set up and maintain "reporting hotlines". One is for "Prescribers" and another is for "Users". These are so the manufacturer can track any unforeseen adverse reactions. Several drugs have subsequently been removed from the market due to these reporting lines - the Phen/Fen diet pill and an anti-inflammatory, perhaps Vioxx, come to mind.


So which is safer? Taking tested medication where there are safeguards in place or taking something being marketed as a "natural remedy" - manufactured who knows where (unregulated factories in China are popular for this) and by people who have not done any recognized studies on the product?

WHO is manufacturing all these "natural herbal remedies"? WHERE are they being manufactured? Under WHAT conditions are they manufactured? And WHY oh WHY are there no legitimate studies done on them?

 

[MissWog]

Yes, medications are very individual and I agree proper oversight is a must if a person chooses to take them. What works for one person may be useless for another. The benefits of taking meds for example due to depression, anxiety, panic attacks, are there. I'm not saying they are a cure all however taking such meds has been stigmatized especially when it comes to the cult. This is where researching for yourself what any side effects are with short term/long term use when they are prescribed can lead to informed decisions.

I agree with everything above and would add...
Way too many people should be on medication that are not..bipolar is real, schizophrenia is real, allergies are real, anxiety disorders are real, migraines are real, high cholesterol is real, cancer is real, toe fungus is real..on and on...
Sure, medication can be trial and error but it sure beats the hell out of suffering by doing nothing. Because a some people have not had success with medications no one should try them? What about all the success others have had? I'm not really wanting to thread jack here so this is rhetorical..I just needed to get this off my chest. Medication saved my mothers life and a car crash killed her.. Currently Paxil is saving one of my best friends from what ever changed in her when she started going through the change and I saw what it was like before she went on it and now how much better her entire quality if life is again now.
Use of medication does not always need to be permanent but even if it is..so what.

November,
Thank you soooo much! You are bringing a light to this forum and your story will help so many others.They got a hold of you at 14 while your brain was still developing.. None of this is your fault and you should be proud of yourself for being so courageous! Again, thank you for being an inspiration.

This is why,
Missy

 

[Free to shine]

I have known a few folks who remained in dreadful shape while taking antidepressants (because the medication did not work for them) but don't think I've known any who got into dreadful shape from taking an antidepressant. I have also not encountered it ever to take years for someone to taper off an antidepressant.

Normally the dosage is reduced about every 4-6 weeks during a "taper down", just as it was increased at that same rate when one starts on it. I cannot imagine anyone being on a high enough dose of anything to need years to reduce the dosage to nothing, if so desired.

I didn't word that well, the people I am thinking of are unable to stop taking the antidepressant because the slightest deviation from the (very high) dose brings a mental and physical collapse and the tapering has to be incredibly slow, if at all. Most of the time they are ok but I have seen what can happen and it's not pretty.

I was trying to say that one size does not fit all, and it needs good research and most of all a doctor who doesn't simply increase the dose until it becomes a major problem. Certainly meds can help, just take care.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Quote Originally Posted by I told you I was trouble

Addendum ...

Lol! I just found your 'other' thread with the same OP ... (I wondered why only one person had welcomed you, now I know why).

Posted by November

You did? Where did it go? When I couldnt find it, I clicked on my username and didn't see a posting for it. >.<

Lol! I swear it was there ... but now it's gone!

It's OK really ... one of our mods has blended both threads into one since I posted, it happens sometimes.

 

[The_Fixer]

Psychs aren't so bad. I used to think they are but they're not (although there are a few truly evil types out there).

But WebMD is not just about psych drugs. They have a very definite slant towards all high-priced patent medicines, and it seems to me they're mainly there to protect drug company profits.

Helena

Just as there are a few evil types in every imaginable type of group. That's just how the world runs.

 

[The_Fixer]

About medicine, herbs, supplements etc.: I don't have the negative mindset about the mental health industry that I had when I was a member of the cult. I have many acquaintances who are either students of psychology, or are already doctors, and from personal experience I can say that no, they're not all out to get me. However, from what I understand, mental health medicines are a bit of a trial and error situation. The doctor prescribes a medication that they THINK will help the individual, and then the patient has to take it regularly.... and then they wait.

If after a month or six, no changes have been felt, then the doctor may try some other medication. Mental health isn't really an exact science yet.

I've done quite a bit of study on the subject of herbs, and I make tinctures of herbs and I take them *sometimes*(I'm pretty forgetful) and they help. Chamomile helps me relax, but it doesn't make me sleepy. I really like arnica for panic attacks. Arnica is an herb that has a high toxicity level, so you can't take too much of it. I usually a make bit of arnica leaves steeped into a tea, and I sip the tea until the panic goes away, then I pour the rest into my compost bin.

Artichoke, Dandelion, Chicory, Hawthorne (LOOOVE hawthorne) and valerian root tinctures are also in my "medicine bag". But again, I'm pretty forgetful, and I hardly ever try and take 'medicine' until after I'm sick... yanno?

When it comes to medicine, I'd rather take the natural plant and pull the constituents out myself, rather than trust in a pill or man made chemical. As Mick said, many of the herbal components our ancestors used are now in medicine. Look at things like willow bark, which they use(d) to make aspirin.

I have started doing research into Sam-e and 5-HTP, and I welcome all the suggestions you all make. JustShelia, I appriciate your concern and warnings! It's so refreshing to see a wide range of ideas on healing.

All in all, I dont think there's any ONE way to get healed, become enlightened, or any of that. Humans are so alike, but also so different that it would be silly for me to think that!

The fact that medicine is not an exact science is even admitted by them. But they do study and observe effects and make adjustments and changes as may seem fit. They try to improve and perfect their products and theories.

Scientology says you do this and/or take that. If it doesn't work, then you go to ethics for handling or run the program again until it does work. By the way, we need a boatload of cash from you at the same time as well. If the tech doesn't work, then it is YOUR fault, no other explanation required nor welcome. We'll fix it for much more cash, thank you very much.

If that doesn't work, back to step 1 until it does.

 

[MissWog]

Just as there are a few evil types in every imaginable type of group. That's just how the world runs.

BINGO! Just like all those still in Scientologists are not evil..the vast majority of them are caring loving people just trying to do what they think is right for themselves, their families and the planet.

If they truly knew what was going down in the SO or realized the trauma being experienced was not just unique to their situation they would leave and renounce their association.

But people are far less inclined to leave a situation if they think they are the only one being abused. It is when you see it is not just your isolated suffering and maybe say your children will/are suffering that folks walk away. The system is sneaky and you are convinced it is YOUR withholds and overts that is the problem.

My vet has my cat on meds...is my vet evil too? You really expect me to believe my wonderful caring doctor who prescribed me meds was secretly evil and cackled after I left our appointment? This is just ignorant fear mongering..life is so much better when you have an enemy to hate and blame for what you don't understand?? Geez, lets chill on the paranoia..there is not a boogie man and monsters do not live under your bed.

 

[HappyGirl]

November. Nice to have you here. Great thread.

 

[FoTi]

Hi November. Glad you came back to talk to us.

Fuck OSA. Go ahead and tell your story. I think it's very therapeutic to do so. It helped me to tell mine and it helped me to read others too, so I think it might help you and others here if you do it.

I don't know if this will help you, but there is a book called "The PH Miracle"....I got it from the library. I recently adopted the principles in this book and it has helped me.

Also, several years ago when I was having some trouble sleeping, someone on this website suggested GABA. I prefer the powder to the pills and I like the brand NOW....I get it from Luckyvitamins.com It helps to quiet down the mind when it gets overactive.

And...I have found whenever I begin to have unpleasant or weird dreams, I take B1 and I stop having weird dreams until I get low on B1 again.

I have also found that writing helps me a lot. Just writing about whatever is bothering me or whatever I might be having trouble with....I just write it all out.

It takes a long time to sort out and free one's self from the web of Scientology and sort out the good from the bad. Have courage. You'll get there.

I've enjoyed your writing so far. I hope you tell us more.