Another cover up uncovered

xguardian

Patron with Honors
The IRS owning all of scientology is one of the least strange things about scn.

:hysterical::goodposting:

Thanks..I needed a good laugh lol

There is good people with good intentions and not so good in every human endeavor be it business , religious, political, military etc...it's not Scientology messing up Scientology, it's people not doing the right thing.

Before the GO I was Army...how would you like to be around some of those guy not doing the right things with M-16's Tanks and WMD's?:coolwink:
 
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There is good people with good intentions and not so good in every human endeavor be it business , religious, political, military etc...it's not Scientology messing up Scientology, it's people not doing the right thing.
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This is true. I used to think that the reason Scientology was not doing well was because people did not understand it and were misusing it.

Then I realized that I was the one who didn't understand it, and that these others had it right.

If you take Nietzche and apply his philosophy to race relations you get Nazism.

If you take Nietzsche and apply his philosophy to government you get fascism.

If you take Nietzsche and apply his philosophy to economics you get unfettered dog-eat-dog capitalism.

And if you take Nietzsche and apply it to religion you get Scientology.
OTs (ubermensch), Tone-40 (Will to Power), Scientology ethics (master-slave relationship)

Fuck Nietzsche, fuck Hubbard, fuck all Scientology.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
Anna, I don't think I'll try to apply Nietzsche to anything, apart, maybe, from levelling a table. I can get a head ache less painfully by slamming my head against a wall.

Likewise with religions.

I see nothing wrong with exposing religions of their faults. I see no reason for applauding them loudly.

Yes religious people have done some wonderful things, they run centres that provide needed services to the needy. I can applaud that, but I don't care for gods, or people talking about who's god is the biggest.

I will speak to people regardless of their weird ideas on what food to eat, whether women should expose their arms or not, or on earth being 5000 years old or whatever. I will respect them as human beings but their wonky intolerant unmovable wrong ideas I will not respect. The bible says you can't be a good person if you eat oysters, or wear poly-cotton shirts, you should be killed if you have sex with someone you are not married to. Well that would cut the overcrowded problem!

I say religious organisations have no more right to be stirring hatred, homophobic, racist or fascist than anyone else. They should pay a living wage and apply the law of the land.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
Anna, I don't think I'll try to apply Nietzsche to anything, apart, maybe, from levelling a table. I can get a head ache less painfully by slamming my head against a wall.

Likewise with religions.

I see nothing wrong with exposing religions of their faults. I see no reason for applauding them loudly.

Yes religious people have done some wonderful things, they run centres that provide needed services to the needy. I can applaud that, but I don't care for gods, or people talking about who's god is the biggest.

I will speak to people regardless of their weird ideas on what food to eat, whether women should expose their arms or not, or on earth being 5000 years old or whatever. I will respect them as human beings but their wonky intolerant unmovable wrong ideas I will not respect. The bible says you can't be a good person if you eat oysters, or wear poly-cotton shirts, you should be killed if you have sex with someone you are not married to. Well that would cut the overcrowded problem!

I say religious organisations have no more right to be stirring hatred, homophobic, racist or fascist than anyone else. They should pay a living wage and apply the law of the land.

We agree mostly and where we can't, If we agree to disagree and respect each other's viewpoints, we all win. When our beliefs infringe on another's Freedom, "Tyranny is born.":coolwink:
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
When it comes to Nietzche here is an interesting little experiment.
Everybody knows he was carted off batshit crazy to spend the remainder of his life institutionlized in a facility where he was abandoned to a padded cell.

Start reading Nietzche and put your finger on the point his writings began to show his insanity becoming evident.

I suggest that LRH may have started off being able to draw a crowd ( perhaps on the shoulders of others works ) but he moved over into batshit crazy.

Who can pinpoint that ? Did it develop? Was it always there?


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There is good people with good intentions and not so good in every human endeavor be it business , religious, political, military etc...it's not Scientology messing up Scientology, it's people not doing the right thing.
QUOTE]

This is true. I used to think that the reason Scientology was not doing well was because people did not understand it and were misusing it.

Then I realized that I was the one who didn't understand it, and that these others had it right.

If you take Nietzche and apply his philosophy to race relations you get Nazism.

If you take Nietzsche and apply his philosophy to government you get fascism.

If you take Nietzsche and apply his philosophy to economics you get unfettered dog-eat-dog capitalism.

And if you take Nietzsche and apply it to religion you get Scientology.
OTs (ubermensch), Tone-40 (Will to Power), Scientology ethics (master-slave relationship)

Fuck Nietzsche, fuck Hubbard, fuck all Scientology.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Communists-Marxist-Humanist-Socialist-liberal Democrat tomato-tomoto?

So that's your way of showing that you really did not have a clue about what you were talking about?

And it shows.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
So that's your way of showing that you really did not have a clue about what you were talking about?

And it shows.

Point being these ideologies share anti-religious aims for their "Utopia" Para-phrasing, using analogies seem to bother your 'anal' hostile condition..:confused2:

You and the "Board clique" have always attacked my postings, and that's OK ....your right...my right to :ignore:
:coolwink:xg
 
Point being these ideologies share anti-religious aims for their "Utopia" Para-phrasing, using analogies seem to bother your 'anal' hostile condition..:confused2:

You and the "Board clique" have always attacked my postings, and that's OK ....your right...my right to :ignore:
:coolwink:xg

You know, some people belive that when some one disagrees with them that they are being attacked.

Mick and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. But we both know when someone doesn't understand what they are talking about.

You're just putting up links about things you know nothing about. Links that go along with Hubbartd's paranoia.

Grow up. Leave Hubbard's paranoia behind Mr.Ex-GO.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
Any one who posts here with a closed mind will be attacked. People here are very tolerant, but not to opinionated people. Xguardian I don't always agree with anyone here, but I have a feeling I might always disagree with you.

You say we agree mostly, well we don't, I respect you the human being, I do not respect your borrowed Hubbardist viewpoints. Shake off the textbooks and look at the world out there, you are still looking through Hubbard's glasses.

Hubbard never understood politics, and as long as you look through his specs neither will you.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Point being these ideologies share anti-religious aims for their "Utopia" Para-phrasing, using analogies seem to bother your 'anal' hostile condition..:confused2:

You and the "Board clique" have always attacked my postings, and that's OK ....your right...my right to :ignore:
:coolwink:xg

the point, my rather ignorant friend, is that you are advancing arguments without even know what it is you are advancing.

I actually read the Manifesto (there was a time when I actually thought it was a good idea) and Das Kapital (in translation of course). I do not agree with it now but if you are going to advance some sort of point and some sort of agenda then use material that YOU KNOW. Not some link to what someone else said and which you just drag over here.

As TAJ has said - he and I are at opposite political ends (I am right - he is wrong {LOL}) bu we both try to argue and read the material.

you should do the same, that way you don't just come across as an ignorant, lazy fanatic.
 
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me myself & i

Patron Meritorious
the point, my rather ignorant friend, is that you are advancing arguments without even know what it is you are advancing.

Why advance the thread then Mick? With all due respect it is authors of threads like this one that inadvertently reveal their scientology-encouraged mental-disconnect from the 'real-world', precisely by the nature and or substance of their posts/threads.

I wish it were possible to have threads like this one front page and center of a sub-section of this board called "I am not a Scientologist, but"... to linger on and on and on (absent intelligent commentary) to serve as a reminder of what a mind-fuck can do to an otherwise, probably, well-meaning being.

As TAJ has said - he and I are at opposite political ends (I am right - he is wrong {LOL}) but we both try to argue and read the material.

you should do the same, that way you don't just come across as an ignorant, lazy fanatic.

Calling anyone an 'ignorant, lazy fanatic' (even if by clever innuendo) may feel good emotionally, and may well be correct intellectually, but as a practical matter it generally tends to serve as a counter-productive measure where the greater aim is to accommodate a spiritual awakening, of some sort, in another still reeling at the effects of being spiritually abused, whilst not yet knowing, or realizing, the reality of the abuse that took place.

mm&I
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
You know, some people belive that when some one disagrees with them that they are being attacked.

Mick and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. But we both know when someone doesn't understand what they are talking about.

You're just putting up links about things you know nothing about. Links that go along with Hubbartd's paranoia.

Grow up. Leave Hubbard's paranoia behind Mr.Ex-GO.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Who is talking "out of school? Were you GO? Were you ex-military? I doubt it, just another "wash out" who got in C0S for the sole purpose of doing for 'self improvement'...3rd dynamic lack of concern is obvious by these pathetic egocentric gymnastics some of you play as you massage each other in order to justify why you still are stuck on yourself.

I post here once in a great while until I get tired of your toxic drivel, and to disseminate truth you can't face because the "big bad Cos boogie man abused you mentally and spiritually.

Too bad you could not document they had a gun to your head making you buy into your nightmare, You were in it for you, and you lost because your losers!

Sore losers, and if any of what I and many others claim is half true, you are the "paranoid psychotic" ones who don't know what they are talking about. As long as you have "group/clique agreement, you can call good, evil, and evil good.

My three man GO team (Calif Legislative team) stopped involuntary ECT..hundreds of thousands of victims and perhaps millions future are protected.

After GO I did not lay down and whimper,Am involved in housing and feeding tens of thousands homeless Veterans and families. If this (ESMB) is your 3 D contribution excuse me for interrupting. But I must say you are achieving your goals if they are to stop people from joining CoS, as a outsider looking in, I would have to admit it must be powerful "Ju-Ju" to cause so much and so many to be stuck in a "paralysis of ANALysis" self inflicted victim-hood...just sayin....:coolwink:
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
Don't bite TAJ.

Unless you absolutely uncontrollably have to.

Lol.

mm&I

I bit... INTERPOL, Louis B. Sims, Communist two-bit (no pun intended) Dictators in SA, saw combat on two continents, taught Jungle Warfare and Counter Insurgency at The School of The Americas, carry a bullet @ T-12 in my spine from being shot at the Sacramento Org and all I got was a "touch assist"...."What Me Worry?":coolwink:
 

me myself & i

Patron Meritorious
I bit... INTERPOL, Louis B. Sims, Communist two-bit (no pun intended) Dictators in SA, saw combat on two continents, taught Jungle Warfare and Counter Insurgency at The School of The Americas, carry a bullet @ T-12 in my spine from being shot at the Sacramento Org and all I got was a "touch assist"...."What Me Worry?":coolwink:

Show me the bullet.

Lol
 
Who is talking "out of school? Were you GO? Were you ex-military? I doubt it, just another "wash out" who got in C0S for the sole purpose of doing for 'self improvement'...3rd dynamic lack of concern is obvious by these pathetic egocentric gymnastics some of you play as you massage each other in order to justify why you still are stuck on yourself.

I post here once in a great while until I get tired of your toxic drivel, and to disseminate truth you can't face because the "big bad Cos boogie man abused you mentally and spiritually.

Too bad you could not document they had a gun to your head making you buy into your nightmare, You were in it for you, and you lost because your losers!

Sore losers, and if any of what I and many others claim is half true, you are the "paranoid psychotic" ones who don't know what they are talking about. As long as you have "group/clique agreement, you can call good, evil, and evil good.

My three man GO team (Calif Legislative team) stopped involuntary ECT..hundreds of thousands of victims and perhaps millions future are protected.

After GO I did not lay down and whimper,Am involved in housing and feeding tens of thousands homeless Veterans and families. If this (ESMB) is your 3 D contribution excuse me for interrupting. But I must say you are achieving your goals if they are to stop people from joining CoS, as a outsider looking in, I would have to admit it must be powerful "Ju-Ju" to cause so much and so many to be stuck in a "paralysis of ANALysis" self inflicted victim-hood...just sayin....:coolwink:

No loser. You don't know anything about me. And it doesn't matter.

Do you think that by denigrating me, that it makes your idiotic, immature, paranoid, GO left-over stuff true? That is how illogic and ridiculous you sound.

I'm laughing at you. You're still playing with dolls. Not the real world.

Tell us what the Interpol doll is saying to the New World Order doll.

I'm laughing at you, and your incompetent, immature, and idiotic GO people.

HA HA HA

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Gadfly

Crusader
I have one thing to say about this and other threads created by xguardian:

:dontfeedtrolls:

And, I have used water filters or drink/drank bottled water to avoid sodium flouride (also a key ingredient of rat poison) for almost my entire life. I had all of the mercury amalgam fillings removed from my teeth many years ago. I stay away from almost all modern drugs and "modern processed foods".

Conspiracy theories are not all bunk. There ARE nasty people out there who have no qualms committing various atrocities in the name of some agenda or goal. Human history is rife with many examples.

But, nobody is going to EVER figure out "the truth" about what powerful secretive people do, because they ARE powerful and secretive.

And, trying to link any of this stuff to Hubbard and Scientology is useless. It doesn't matter! There is plenty about Scientology, both the subject materials and the practices by organized Scientology, that makes it problematic for decent people and societies.

Sorry xguardian, while I actually have read probably everything you mention, it is largely IRRELEVANT to solving the REAL problem created by Hubbard - the subject and practices of Scientology.

And, if there is ANY link at all to the "New World Order", it might more involve an intel-type covert ops long term program where Hubbard was used to setup Scientology as an in-depth study into the variables involved in extreme behavioral control of people based on a severe belief system (KSW, etc).

But, everything Hubbard told you about the international bankers, the "Merchants of Chaos", and which was added to greatly by Capt Bill's vivd imagination, was grandiose FICTION, and were part of the "variables" of the continuing social experiment known as Scientology.

And, while Hubbard pretended to hate and attack the "psyches", possibly, some think tank from Stanford or the Ford Foundation, using highly advanced experimental psychiatry and social psychology continues to this day to monitor and control what Hubbard started as the "Church of Scientology". There is no doubt that organized Scientology involves extreme behavioral control enacted through extreme thought and belief manipulation. THere ARE folks who would love to be able to set up real experiments to "test" the variables involved in such things. Maybe they have.

Just a theory, but if there is any truth to conspiracy theories in this realm, the above probably better explains where Hubbard and Scientology fit into the whole picture than anything else.

It isn't Scientology against the "bad guys". It is Scientology AS ONE OF THE BAD GUYS. And, as one of the bad guys fitting comfortably within the whackiest of any modern conspiracy type paradigm. Where just as things like MK-Ultra or Jonestown were conducted as "experiments" by amoral psyche-types in cahoots with government agencies, so was and IS the Church of Scientology. Of course, that is if you have any fondness at all for these sort of theories. :confused2:

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xguardian

Patron with Honors
No loser. You don't know anything about me. And it doesn't matter.

Do you think that by denigrating me, that it makes your idiotic, immature, paranoid, GO left-over stuff true? That is how illogic and ridiculous you sound.

I'm laughing at you. You're still playing with dolls. Not the real world.

Tell us what the Interpol doll is saying to the New World Order doll.

I'm laughing at you, and your incompetent, immature, and idiotic GO people.

HA HA HA

The Anabaptist Jacques

:bigcry:
 
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