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ANYBODY CARE TO PREDICT THE MOSEY LITIGATION OUTCOME?

JBWriter

Happy Sapien
Au contraire. She has several million reasons to settle. It's not a criminal case, it's a money (civil) case.


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I was unclear. Apologies to HH and all.

I meant that she isn't alleged to have done anything wrong, HH. The myriad of continued negative consequences resulting from this case that attach to Co$/RTC/etc. do not attach to Mrs. Rathbun.

Assumed stress-causing effects aside*, Mrs. Rathbun need not settle this case at this time or ever - she can simply proceed to trial. She has no 'super power' building to open, no IAS gala to host, no international conspiracy to protect, no financial scams to maintain, etc. The motivating factors for Co$/etc. to settle are almost innumerable -- but, as a practical matter, no such obvious impetus exists for Mrs. Rathbun.

JB

[*Including tension/anxiety and other emotional tolls, cash-flow interruption(s), unsought notoriety and more - all are undeserved and I don't mean to imply these aren't important or don't factor into any decisions made about the legal case by Mrs. Rathbun and/or her counsel.]

EDIT - Added 6 red words above.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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Very appropriate illustration here HH!

I thank you for it - and wanted to ask:
I hadn't seen this particular photo-shopped gizmo after perusing the available SupaPowa stuff on the web - Now: You think they just holding out and trying to surprise us all and unveil at the opening or,...whatta ya think??
I suppose it could have the real effects of people fainting, passing out and such...and just the whole awesomeness of it all!

"My Dreams can now come true!!!" - I hear people saying in their best-est OT telepathic communication kinda way...and sphincters tightening in "antici....pation..."

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It kind of gives a hole-new-meaning to the term Annus Horribilis, doesn't it?


:giggle:






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_horribilis
 

HelluvaHoax!

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--snipped--

Assumed stress-causing effects aside*, Mrs. Rathbun need not settle this case at this time or ever.

I think I understand what you are saying, but…..

Sure, she doesn't have to "settle" but there is only a limited window of time to advance this civil litigation, now that it's "on calendar" with the lawyers, judge and court. There are statutory time allowances for motions to be filed. In fact she should want to settle because that's why she brought the complaint in the first place, right?

If she didn't play it out, accordingly, the case would be dismissed. If the case was dismissed "without prejudice" I supposed she could re-file it again in the future, but what would be the point? And I doubt her contingency attorneys would go along with anything less than completing this case to resolution, forthwith, by settlement or trial. Her lawyers have a substantial investment in the case, and their willingness to work on contingency is predicated on getting the case adjudicated with a favorable financial sum (see my point?).
 

Stat

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Tommy Davis AND Bert Leahy are now part of Mosey's litigation.

Also, Leah Remini. Or did I dream that deposition?

In my opinion, this will not end well for scientology, no matter how you look at it.

Anyone knows if Mosey is related to Moses? Because the great exodus is imminent.

My prediction: Monique gets tons of money from the cult in 2014, IRS busts the cult in 2015, Freewinds becomes popular Halloween spot in 2016.
 
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JBWriter

Happy Sapien
I think I understand what you are saying, but…..

Sure, she doesn't have to "settle" but there is only a limited window of time to advance this civil litigation, now that it's "on calendar" with the lawyers, judge and court. There are statutory time allowances for motions to be filed. In fact she should want to settle because that's why she brought the complaint in the first place, right?

If she didn't play it out, accordingly, the case would be dismissed. If the case was dismissed "without prejudice" I supposed she could re-file it again in the future, but what would be the point? And I doubt her contingency attorneys would go along with anything less than completing this case to resolution, forthwith, by settlement or trial. Her lawyers have a substantial investment in the case, and their willingness to work on contingency is predicated on getting the case adjudicated with a favorable financial sum (see my point?).

Generally speaking, filing a lawsuit of this nature asks a court to: (a) be made whole again; and, (b) to be protected from further harm. The Court has temporarily restricted TeamCo$ from harassing Mrs. Rathbun -- and a permanent order of protection would satisfy portion (b) of Mrs. Rathbun's lawsuit.

Per Wiki....

Complaint is filed -- response to complaint is filed -- discovery process -- trial -- post-trial. <---At each step, motions can be filed.

No response to the complaint has been filed by RTC or Miscavige. Why? Because they filed a motion which told the Judge Waldrip he doesn't have the legal authority to judge RTC and Miscavige. So, for RTC and Miscavige, at this moment, they're not even near the discovery stage and may never get there.

So, 'on calendar' doesn't mean 'has to progress apace' -- because some types of motions that are filed, in effect, stop the clock*. Other types of motions must be filed, as you rightly point out, within certain time-frames -- but when the entire clock is stopped, those time-frames are (mostly) recalculated only when the clock is turned back on.

What amount of money will restore Mrs. Rathbun to the place she was before the alleged harassment began?
That's a question that will be answered by Judge Waldrip and/or the jury via the trial track -- or -- from the settlement agreement(s) she signs via the settlement track.

On the trial track: she has to prove the damages she suffered and the judge/jury will (or won't) assign a monetary value to each damage proved.
On the settlement track: no proof required for/by anyone. TeamCo$ meets the dollar amount Mrs. Rathbun adjudges acceptable and everyone moves on.
Both tracks run simultaneously -- until the question is answered at trial or via settlement.

If Mrs. Rathbun settles tomorrow morning - we'll never see deposition transcripts/videos, declarations/affidavits, or any other evidentiary material yet to be obtained by Mr. Jeffrey --- and if implacably strict confidentiality clauses are a part of a tomorrow's hypothetical settlement agreement, we also won't see the evidence already obtained.

My hope is that if Mrs. Rathbun does choose to settle this lawsuit, she does so in such a way, at such time, as benefits herself and as many other people as possible.

I think she will do exactly that if she chooses to settle -- but if she chooses instead to remain on the trial track, I will support her efforts every step of the way. She has my support whichever track she takes -- because to my mind, she suffered harm at the behest of the uppermost mgmt tier of Co$/RTC/etc. Such harmful actions were undeserved by Mrs. Rathbun and all involved should be held accountable.

JB

(*See the Garcia case - the motion to disqualify Mr. Babbitt was filed in May 2013, so everything ground to a halt until this past week when the motion was finally argued before the judge and he ruled Mr. Babbitt can continue as counsel to Mr. Garcia.)
 

Peter Soderqvist

Patron with Honors
We asked him what outcome they were aiming for in the lawsuit?

.“We want to get it to a jury, have a permanent injunction in place to leave them alone, and award them a large sum of money to make an example of Scientology and teach them that they can’t do this anymore,” he says. “Monique has never been a member of the Church of Scientology. She hasn’t been an ‘enemy’ of the church. It’s inexcusable that they would harass her mercilessly as they have.”
http://tonyortega.org/2013/08/21/mo...t-scientology-over-harassment/comment-page-2/
 

Thrak

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Tommy Davis AND Bert Leahy are now part of Mosey's litigation.

Also, Leah Remini. Or did I dream that deposition?

In my opinion, this will not end well for scientology, no matter how you look at it.

Anyone knows if Mosey is related to Moses? Because the great exodus is imminent.

My prediction: Monique gets tons of money from the cult in 2014, IRS busts the cult in 2015, Freewinds becomes popular Halloween spot in 2016.

Lol, I'd only change that Fleawinds becomes a popular scuba diving attraction.
 

Stat

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Lol, I'd only change that Fleawinds becomes a popular scuba diving attraction.

That too. It comes with the territory. Part of the package!

I suggest Kid Rock and Rob Zombie look into it. Could be a great investment and tons of lulz!
 

Thrak

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That too. It comes with the territory. Part of the package!

I suggest Kid Rock and Rob Zombie look into it. Could be a great investment and tons of lulz!

Yes if you pay extra you can be onboard while they sink it. Regges are already drilling their sales pitch for that one.
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
I think Marty made an excellent career choice by letting the fledgling field practice go and doing what he does best. I mean the man has some serious skills in orchestrating strategic campaigns to bring an enemy to their knees. I am not being facetious, his combat skills and generalship were finely honed over decades of wars in different theaters of battle.

Quickly assessing the strengths and weaknesses (sorry, I enjoy military strategy, lol):

Miscavige - Strengths: Viciousness, sociopathic "conscience-free" ability to lie or do anything to anyone without the slightest care or hesitation, an army of willing/corrupt cult zombies and over a billion dollars to pay attorneys or throw truckloads of money at litigants to make them go away. Witness intimidation. Weaknesses: Extreme emotional volatility devolving at times into juvenilely vengeful episodes;impulsive. Extreme insecurity/paranoia; Impeachable lying; Megalomaniacal assuredness resulting in his "fingerprints" existing on a vast number of fraudulent and criminal transactions, inurement & perjury, along with eyewitnesses who can so testify.

Rathbun- Strengths: Superior battlefield generalship with excellent conception of the next several moves on the chess board; outstanding guerrilla fighting skills enabling him to exponentially leverage very limited resources; having the truth on his side. Weaknesses: Lack of financial resources; "Dirty Hands" track record compromising his credibility; potential conflicts of interest (personally) which might limit his willingness to expose Scientology's, Hubbard's or his own malfeasance.​


Essentially, Marty/Mosey have solved the single biggest weakness of their position (lack of finances) by retaining a world class litigator who is a proven cult killer, on a contingency basis. There is no apparent reason that the Rathbuns won't score a huge financial settlement based on the simple truth of their complaint, but their willingness or unwillingness to agree to post-settlement restrictions might delay an otherwise readily available payout. They should still bank major dollars at the end of the day, but it might require sustaining their efforts through a completed trial.

If the Rathbun case was an IPO, I'd buy stock! LOL

Is this the end power struggle, or just the precursor to it, a way to finance the next step?
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
I think one of Marty's greatest strengths is Mosey. Those two love each other very, very much. They are doing this for each other, not for us. They really do want NOT to be hounded by Miscavige. IMHO, that is what this is about.
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
One of the things that interests me is how Tommy Davis will respond to being deposed. Once the cults stalling tactics have been dealt with & Tommy gets in front of Ray Jeffrey, where will his loyalties lie?

Does he lie & say that DM never ordered him into Texas to deal with John Brousseau as he has done in a previous deposition, or does he come clean because of Warren McShane's version of events as told to the Riverside County deputies.

Either way he's toast. Lie (again) and commit another act of perjury, or come clean & hang David Miscavige.

Now that he & Jessica are out, have they decompressed? Is the real Tommy Davis (who everyone says is a really nice guy) ready to come out and tell the truth? Or does the snivelling coward who looks straight into a camera and denies disconnection exists show up on the day?

Can't wait to find out. :biggrin:

I think this kind of depends on whether he ends up in a trip to LA beforehand... where he would be drilled and drilled within and inch of his life on what to say in court.

Or maybe they will come here to Texas to do it.

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Or they try to drill him and he refuses, and then the truth will come out.
 

Out-Ethics

Patron Meritorious
Is it possible that the Co$ lose big time by not only having to pay out a huge sum but the PR from this case pushes the church over the edge? What would be the max amount that Mosey could end up with? Not sure anybody has that answer but I believe Marty is looking at this as a lifetime pay-out combined that crippling DM for good.
 

BardoThodol

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Trying to predict Scientologists is sometimes nearly impossible because their behavior and thought patterns are rather--unorthodox, to put it mildly.

I always kinda suspected ("predicted") that Marty was smart enough to use COB's greatest strength against him, in Judo style. In fact, back in December of 2012 that's the way it seemed when I posted this Nostradamus-like prediction. LOL.

Hey, seriously, I was just guessing that was the case, but holyHell, it actually was!



So how would you predict this whole disgraceful episode of cult Fair Gaming ends?

I'm still chewing on how they might craft the CONFIDENTIALITY portion of the settlement so that both sides can "save face".

But, at this point, I would estimate the case is already worth $6M - $10M for the cult to make it go away.

Knowing how much Dave spends for a pair of handmade shoes (5K) plus what's probably in the coffers (a couple of billion?), Marty isn't going to settle for a measly $6 to $10 million.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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I think one of Marty's greatest strengths is Mosey. Those two love each other very, very much. They are doing this for each other, not for us. They really do want NOT to be hounded by Miscavige. IMHO, that is what this is about.


Exactly!

And they don't want to be hounded while they are enjoying a rich settlement. Those, I would surmise, are their two primary objectives.

Whether COB or the COS/RTC are dealt any measure of justice is a distant third. Although I am sure they would love it, that is one of those "…it sure would be cool if that happened too" kind of things.

I am just thinking what a blast it would be if they can get Miscavige on the hook for discovery. OMG, delicious!
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Knowing how much Dave spends for a pair of handmade shoes (5K) plus what's probably in the coffers (a couple of billion?), Marty isn't going to settle for a measly $6 to $10 million.


$5M -$10M, Permanent Protective Order, No gag agreement (save perhaps the finalized settlement amount) and Mosey, Marty and their attys are happily signing off on it today! That's my best guess.

And it wouldn't make any difference which entity pays for it or whether (in the Settlement Agreement) RTC/Miscavige stipulate to anything in the complaint.

It's really a money case and it would be a pure bonus if they pierce/damage the cult's corporate shell game. Sure, in a perfect world, COB and the various entities get manhandled and the door opens wide for other prospective litigants---but that is a storybook ending.

I'm still trying to figure out how the cult can get to the decision to settle without one of their Machiavellian Confidentiality agreements. The only way i can see COB getting there is if the alternative is just too awful--that his testimony and cross examination might blow a 1000 foot wide hole in his castle defenses where hordes of litigants can just prance through any time they have a grievance. And of course the specter of opening himself up to perjury. Those two things might make him pay Mosey off to make her go away--even without the gag order.
 
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Idle Morgue

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I think this kind of depends on whether he ends up in a trip to LA beforehand... where he would be drilled and drilled within and inch of his life on what to say in court.

Or maybe they will come here to Texas to do it.

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Or they try to drill him and he refuses, and then the truth will come out.

I think Miscavige is TOAST!! If Tommy Davis is still in - he will be forced to LIE and will. If he has any doubt and is LOOKING (like a normal person would) - he will be forced to tell the truth and will - it would be a normal HUMAN reaction and emotion!

I think he must be LOOKING by now - it is too difficult to sit on the fringes and not do anything and try to "not is" his entire past! He saw way too much to ignore the obvious!

Exciting times, isn't it SP's? :coolwink:
 

Idle Morgue

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Exactly!

And they don't want to be hounded while they are enjoying a rich settlement. Those, I would surmise, are their two primary objectives.

Whether COB or the COS/RTC are dealt any measure of justice is a distant third. Although I am sure they would love it, that is one of those "…it sure would be cool if that happened too" kind of things.

I am just thinking what a blast it would be if they can get Miscavige on the hook for discovery. OMG, delicious!

Think about this - if Scientology COULD do anything to Marty Rathbun legally for auditing outside the cult - they would have by now. The Church of Scientology was not going to sue Marty Rathbun because that would mean Marty could show the videos of harassment plus tell the courts all about DAvid Miscavige and his regime - Marty has all the scoop and Miscavige is deathly afraid of that truth going out!!

The cult admits they harassed and actually thinks the courts will have sympathy for them but they will find out soon - that what they are doing is against the law of the land and I think it is going to open a whole can of worms - govt. investigating Co$ for fraud etc and pulling their tax exempt status!! The govt. sure could use the dough right now!!

There is nothing but harassment left for the cult to use and now that will be destroyed by the internet, by us, by lawsuits, by videos and cameras and us talking, squawking and screaming to the hilltops all about what Scientology IS and what it IS NOT!!

We are witnessing the actual downful of this evil entity that disguises itself as a "Church"!!:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
The sticking point is indeed "how does Miscavige get there?" ... to a settlement agreement that Mosey would agree to.

Miscavige isn't going to get anywhere unless his "trusted advisor," Monique Yingling, helps him get there.

And that reality makes this a Monique + Monique vs. Miscavige situation.
 

Student of Trinity

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Knowing how much Dave spends for a pair of handmade shoes (5K) plus what's probably in the coffers (a couple of billion?), Marty isn't going to settle for a measly $6 to $10 million.

That's an interesting point. Rathbun probably knows pretty clearly just how much money there is to get, and how much leverage he and his wife have. So it seems unlikely that she's going to leave much money on the table. Whatever she gets, it's probably going to be pretty close to the maximum she possibly could have gotten.
 
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