Illegal Alien
Patron with Honors
Below is a reply from the Fiona is loved thread that really got me thinking about a scene in AOSH ANZO that happened roughly in 2000 which I will mention in this thread.
Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
Dear hearts, of course we will respect your wishes in this matter. However, I do want to gently remind you to constantly re-frame the shore stories (lies) that the rest of your family is being told about you, Fiona and the situation, and remind everyone one involved that this is defamation and emotional blackmail at work, OSA's work.
Don't let them keep you away from ANY family gathering on the pretext that Fiona won't come if you are there. Stay in good comm and affinity with the rest of the family. She hasn't come in five years, so how much love and respect does that demonstrate for her dear old Granny, or anyone else in the family? Zilch. Everyone else can see this.
It is just as if she is reading from a script that has been written for her. She is not free to act on her own. She is not herself, and won't be, until she really gets free. Don't take it personally, she is being lied to and manipulated by some very evil people, and some day she will see the truth of that, as everyone eventually does. Stay strong, and love each other. I am so glad you have the rest of your family with you. So many of us have to deal with this alone.
Yes, let's broaden the scope of this thread. I know from personal experience how painful it is to be disconnected by someone you love, especially at Christmas.
Merry Christmas and a Happier New Year, with much less Corporate Scientology in it!
Much Love from Sweetness
Now I have a son in the ANZO RPF he has been in there for at least the last 5 years.
When he was 4 years old (he is in his twenties now) he flew from South Africa to ANZO with me while I did up to OT5 at the AO and he loved it we had a great time together.
Years later when my wife from that time and I divorced I had custody of our son. My x-wife went to join the Sea Org at ANZO and some time later asked if she could have our son come and live with her and be apart of the Cadet org and go to Scientology school and all that.
Well being a believer of Scientology at that time I asked him and I knew he would want to as he had good memories when he was at the AO with me.
He said he would like to go live with his Mom at the AO. So heavy heartedly and at the time believing it was the best place for a child to grow up I said yes and he flew over to live with his Mom and join the cadet org. We stayed in touch via letters.
To be honest the comm line dropped out a bit with me living in another country. Feeling bad about it now as I do does not really help but at the time I was so confident that he was in the most stable and sane group, was with his mother and so for sure he will be well taken care of.
Years went buy about 5, until one night I got a call from OSA ANZO, reporting to me that my son was in Police Custody.
He was in the cadet org (about 9 years old) and was found sitting outside the CLO building in Sydney late one night all by himself.
What had happened is he missed the last Sea Org bus and did not know what to do and so just sat on the doorstep of the CLO until the police picked him up close to midnight.
Nobody at the Cadet Org even knew he was missing, until hours later when the AO got a call from the police.
This was now a bad situation as the police were convinced that his mother was neglecting him and wanted to put my son into foster care.
As I still had legal custody OSA was all over the phone lines with me trying to handle this situation as I lived in another country.
I was very angry and obviously very upset about what was going on with hundreds of my own questions I wanted answered.
I was now being attacked by the police asking me how could I be in another country and not be taking care of my child, saying if I had really cared for him why did I let him go.
This went on for days OSA the police back to me, me calling the police and so forth it was crazy. During all this my son was in police foster care.
It eventually came down to the police asking if my son had any other family in Australia which I replied yes his grandparents. My parents were staff at the AO at the time. The police did not want to return my son to Scientology after what happened.
So OSA ANZO came up with a plan.
OSA set my parents up in an apartment near buy. The police were to be informed that my parents were retired in Australia and would take care of him.
So the police turned custody over to my parents. They had to pretend to be retired as various inspections by Child services would be carried out over the next few months. One of my parents stayed with my son while the other went to the AO.
This continued until all the inspections by Child Services were over and the situation extinguished.
With all returning to normal with my parents returning to the AO and my son to the Cadet Org, a Board of Investigation was called at my request to investigate what had happened.
I wanted this to happen so that no other child would get abandoned in the city. At first the AO wanted me to fly to Australia to be interviewed in the B of I. I refused saying I should not even be involved in a B of I the error is in Australia.
The investigation was done but I heard nothing despite attempts to get the findings of the investigation.
Finally I managed to speak to mother who informed me that the findings were being kept from me and she had been instructed not to tell me anything. However in her view it was breaking LRH policy so she told me.
Here is the joke.
I was found to be the cause of the incident as I had supposedly neglected my son in his early years.
I was 5000+ miles away had not been in Australia for 5 years. My son was in Scientology care and they forgot him in the city, cold and alone with his mother and the cadet org not even knowing he was not home and in an internal investigation blamed me.
Yip, yes, that is .......hell even now I can not find the words to explain this.
This is the group I trusted my child with. I believed so much that Scientology was the most ethical and sane group in the world and who would not want their son to grow up in an environment like that.
Boy, was I wrong and if my son ever reads this I am sorry for not protecting you more, I truly am.
I wrote reports on this matter to RTC , ED INT and heard nothing, nothing at all from anybody in the Church to try and correct this matter, NOTHING.
Many years passed and I came out to Australia again and made arrangements to see my son. He was now on the RPF.
When we saw each other for the first time after so long there were big hugs and tears between us a great re-union.
After years of not seeing my son I was only allowed an afternoon with him and because he was on the RPF he was not allowed to be alone with me; his own father, another member of the RPF followed us and sat with us were ever we went.
Effectively canceling out any father son heart to heart and my son having grown up in Scientology would not dare speak out any unhappiness or thoughts of leaving for fear of harsh discipline from the Church, it felt a bit strained as if there was something to be said but it could not be spoken.
We kept in touch via letter after that but anybody who knows the RPF knows that letters in and out are all read before being given to the recipient a total control is run over the individual.
Some time later I announced to Scientology in Glebe St that I was out and no longer wished to be apart of the Church and voiced my reasons for this.
My son and I were still writing some letters, very simple how you doing, all going well here, it’s hot all that simple stuff otherwise Scientology would block the letters.
I insisted through OSA that I wanted to speak to my son on the phone it took some work and some harsh words and eventually we spoke on the phone.
I knew he would have been told bad things about me by the Church as I was now out so wanted to just talk to him.
He was very cold on the phone and having been in that situation my self can assure you he was being coached on what to say to me and the call being listened to by Sea Org staff. All I said to him was that I was out of Scientology and that the reasons were my own and that it changes nothing between us and asked him to always remember that there are two sides to every story and in this case he only had one side of the story. He sounded like he lightened up on the phone and we said our goodbye.
After a series of events and after months of posting on this board I decided it was time to reveal my real name on the board, which I did.
In December I wrote to him and OSA saying I would like to come down and visit him and to see if he could get some time off so I could see him as it had been almost a year since my last visit.
Eventually a reply came weeks later from my son. Every letter I have received from him came in his hand writing, always.
Suddenly I receive a typed letter from him with what appears to be his signature at the bottom.
The punctuation was perfect, the words used and the way it was written was so not him. In response to me wanting to come and visit he replied that he was spending Christmas with his mother and thanks for the offer.
I have been around Scientology long enough to know that Scientology has told him lies about me and discredited me completely. This is what you call a gentle disconnection.
I was never going to make this story known as I wanted to be able to stay in touch with my son but the AO has done a good job of discrediting me so now there was no need to hold onto this story and so here it is.
Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
Dear hearts, of course we will respect your wishes in this matter. However, I do want to gently remind you to constantly re-frame the shore stories (lies) that the rest of your family is being told about you, Fiona and the situation, and remind everyone one involved that this is defamation and emotional blackmail at work, OSA's work.
Don't let them keep you away from ANY family gathering on the pretext that Fiona won't come if you are there. Stay in good comm and affinity with the rest of the family. She hasn't come in five years, so how much love and respect does that demonstrate for her dear old Granny, or anyone else in the family? Zilch. Everyone else can see this.
It is just as if she is reading from a script that has been written for her. She is not free to act on her own. She is not herself, and won't be, until she really gets free. Don't take it personally, she is being lied to and manipulated by some very evil people, and some day she will see the truth of that, as everyone eventually does. Stay strong, and love each other. I am so glad you have the rest of your family with you. So many of us have to deal with this alone.
Yes, let's broaden the scope of this thread. I know from personal experience how painful it is to be disconnected by someone you love, especially at Christmas.
Merry Christmas and a Happier New Year, with much less Corporate Scientology in it!
Much Love from Sweetness
Now I have a son in the ANZO RPF he has been in there for at least the last 5 years.
When he was 4 years old (he is in his twenties now) he flew from South Africa to ANZO with me while I did up to OT5 at the AO and he loved it we had a great time together.
Years later when my wife from that time and I divorced I had custody of our son. My x-wife went to join the Sea Org at ANZO and some time later asked if she could have our son come and live with her and be apart of the Cadet org and go to Scientology school and all that.
Well being a believer of Scientology at that time I asked him and I knew he would want to as he had good memories when he was at the AO with me.
He said he would like to go live with his Mom at the AO. So heavy heartedly and at the time believing it was the best place for a child to grow up I said yes and he flew over to live with his Mom and join the cadet org. We stayed in touch via letters.
To be honest the comm line dropped out a bit with me living in another country. Feeling bad about it now as I do does not really help but at the time I was so confident that he was in the most stable and sane group, was with his mother and so for sure he will be well taken care of.
Years went buy about 5, until one night I got a call from OSA ANZO, reporting to me that my son was in Police Custody.
He was in the cadet org (about 9 years old) and was found sitting outside the CLO building in Sydney late one night all by himself.
What had happened is he missed the last Sea Org bus and did not know what to do and so just sat on the doorstep of the CLO until the police picked him up close to midnight.
Nobody at the Cadet Org even knew he was missing, until hours later when the AO got a call from the police.
This was now a bad situation as the police were convinced that his mother was neglecting him and wanted to put my son into foster care.
As I still had legal custody OSA was all over the phone lines with me trying to handle this situation as I lived in another country.
I was very angry and obviously very upset about what was going on with hundreds of my own questions I wanted answered.
I was now being attacked by the police asking me how could I be in another country and not be taking care of my child, saying if I had really cared for him why did I let him go.
This went on for days OSA the police back to me, me calling the police and so forth it was crazy. During all this my son was in police foster care.
It eventually came down to the police asking if my son had any other family in Australia which I replied yes his grandparents. My parents were staff at the AO at the time. The police did not want to return my son to Scientology after what happened.
So OSA ANZO came up with a plan.
OSA set my parents up in an apartment near buy. The police were to be informed that my parents were retired in Australia and would take care of him.
So the police turned custody over to my parents. They had to pretend to be retired as various inspections by Child services would be carried out over the next few months. One of my parents stayed with my son while the other went to the AO.
This continued until all the inspections by Child Services were over and the situation extinguished.
With all returning to normal with my parents returning to the AO and my son to the Cadet Org, a Board of Investigation was called at my request to investigate what had happened.
I wanted this to happen so that no other child would get abandoned in the city. At first the AO wanted me to fly to Australia to be interviewed in the B of I. I refused saying I should not even be involved in a B of I the error is in Australia.
The investigation was done but I heard nothing despite attempts to get the findings of the investigation.
Finally I managed to speak to mother who informed me that the findings were being kept from me and she had been instructed not to tell me anything. However in her view it was breaking LRH policy so she told me.
Here is the joke.
I was found to be the cause of the incident as I had supposedly neglected my son in his early years.
I was 5000+ miles away had not been in Australia for 5 years. My son was in Scientology care and they forgot him in the city, cold and alone with his mother and the cadet org not even knowing he was not home and in an internal investigation blamed me.
Yip, yes, that is .......hell even now I can not find the words to explain this.
This is the group I trusted my child with. I believed so much that Scientology was the most ethical and sane group in the world and who would not want their son to grow up in an environment like that.
Boy, was I wrong and if my son ever reads this I am sorry for not protecting you more, I truly am.
I wrote reports on this matter to RTC , ED INT and heard nothing, nothing at all from anybody in the Church to try and correct this matter, NOTHING.
Many years passed and I came out to Australia again and made arrangements to see my son. He was now on the RPF.
When we saw each other for the first time after so long there were big hugs and tears between us a great re-union.
After years of not seeing my son I was only allowed an afternoon with him and because he was on the RPF he was not allowed to be alone with me; his own father, another member of the RPF followed us and sat with us were ever we went.
Effectively canceling out any father son heart to heart and my son having grown up in Scientology would not dare speak out any unhappiness or thoughts of leaving for fear of harsh discipline from the Church, it felt a bit strained as if there was something to be said but it could not be spoken.
We kept in touch via letter after that but anybody who knows the RPF knows that letters in and out are all read before being given to the recipient a total control is run over the individual.
Some time later I announced to Scientology in Glebe St that I was out and no longer wished to be apart of the Church and voiced my reasons for this.
My son and I were still writing some letters, very simple how you doing, all going well here, it’s hot all that simple stuff otherwise Scientology would block the letters.
I insisted through OSA that I wanted to speak to my son on the phone it took some work and some harsh words and eventually we spoke on the phone.
I knew he would have been told bad things about me by the Church as I was now out so wanted to just talk to him.
He was very cold on the phone and having been in that situation my self can assure you he was being coached on what to say to me and the call being listened to by Sea Org staff. All I said to him was that I was out of Scientology and that the reasons were my own and that it changes nothing between us and asked him to always remember that there are two sides to every story and in this case he only had one side of the story. He sounded like he lightened up on the phone and we said our goodbye.
After a series of events and after months of posting on this board I decided it was time to reveal my real name on the board, which I did.
In December I wrote to him and OSA saying I would like to come down and visit him and to see if he could get some time off so I could see him as it had been almost a year since my last visit.
Eventually a reply came weeks later from my son. Every letter I have received from him came in his hand writing, always.
Suddenly I receive a typed letter from him with what appears to be his signature at the bottom.
The punctuation was perfect, the words used and the way it was written was so not him. In response to me wanting to come and visit he replied that he was spending Christmas with his mother and thanks for the offer.
I have been around Scientology long enough to know that Scientology has told him lies about me and discredited me completely. This is what you call a gentle disconnection.
I was never going to make this story known as I wanted to be able to stay in touch with my son but the AO has done a good job of discrediting me so now there was no need to hold onto this story and so here it is.
