Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
When Hubbard unleashed Dianetics on an unsuspecting world, there are three salient points - A) he used Dianetics to cure his war damaged body and B) his tome was all about the engram and it's evil effects. There is a argument floating around that there is no such thing as engrams or a reactive bank of them. They are created solely by the reader of Dianetics in response to reading about them in his book. Point C - he mines that vein for years - you have Science of survival, the 1960's R3R Dianetics, Standard Dianetics in the 70's, Expanded Dianetics, and New Era Dianetics. Other than tweaks here and there, it is much the same thing.
Lets skip whether or not engrams exist, whether they have dominion over the analytic mind, whether they have command over a person's actions, can be erased, there are trillions of them scattered down the whole track, yadda, yadda. Likewise, lets skip whether BT's are real or not, whether they can control your actions, if they can be exteriorized, and if you get rid of one, another moves into the vacant limb, or what have you, making the level almost impossible to complete.
When OT 3 was released - Hubbard made much the same claims as before on Dianetics, A) on Rons Journal 67 he claim he broke his back, he almost didn't survive researching it, he was quite knocked around. You can listen to the tape for your self and hear his claims. but interestingly - it's the same story as Dianetics - how he overcame these physical infirmities with his technology. And in both cases, what do we find? Neither are true. No war injuries, no broken body.
What about the parallel between OT3 and the engrams, point B)? They both have sway over the individual, there are lots of them, and their existence stems from your reading of their actuality in his books and bulletins. Could ther be BTs? Maybe. Many people hear voices in their head. Are they demon circuits ( Dianetics answer) or live entities ( OT3's answer) Again, they are subject to subjective proof, not objective.
And he mined the BT vein much as he mined the Engram vein - there is OT3, there are SP BT's, drug handling of BT's (OT 4), Clearing of BT's, there are unconscious BT's on OT 5, and even worse off ones on OT 6 and OT 7 and all the attendant BT handling technology that he created.
So, it would seem, he did the same hat trick on OT3 as he did on Dianetics. Which leads us to the OP question:
Are they the same?
Mimsey
Lets skip whether or not engrams exist, whether they have dominion over the analytic mind, whether they have command over a person's actions, can be erased, there are trillions of them scattered down the whole track, yadda, yadda. Likewise, lets skip whether BT's are real or not, whether they can control your actions, if they can be exteriorized, and if you get rid of one, another moves into the vacant limb, or what have you, making the level almost impossible to complete.
When OT 3 was released - Hubbard made much the same claims as before on Dianetics, A) on Rons Journal 67 he claim he broke his back, he almost didn't survive researching it, he was quite knocked around. You can listen to the tape for your self and hear his claims. but interestingly - it's the same story as Dianetics - how he overcame these physical infirmities with his technology. And in both cases, what do we find? Neither are true. No war injuries, no broken body.
What about the parallel between OT3 and the engrams, point B)? They both have sway over the individual, there are lots of them, and their existence stems from your reading of their actuality in his books and bulletins. Could ther be BTs? Maybe. Many people hear voices in their head. Are they demon circuits ( Dianetics answer) or live entities ( OT3's answer) Again, they are subject to subjective proof, not objective.
And he mined the BT vein much as he mined the Engram vein - there is OT3, there are SP BT's, drug handling of BT's (OT 4), Clearing of BT's, there are unconscious BT's on OT 5, and even worse off ones on OT 6 and OT 7 and all the attendant BT handling technology that he created.
So, it would seem, he did the same hat trick on OT3 as he did on Dianetics. Which leads us to the OP question:
Are they the same?
Mimsey