Are SO Staff Unknowingly Taking Mind-altering Drugs?

[Demented LRH]

I am shocked by the number of ex-Scientologists who were diagnosed with PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). I am also humbled by their bravery -- it takes enormous amount of courage to discuss their problems and treatments openly. Their stories are the strongest warnings to the individuals who are contemplating joining the Church of Scientology. I was especially touched by the stories of ex-Scientologists who suffer from amnesia as the result of their exposure to the cult.

Amnesia is a symptom that is not usually associated with PTSD. While the PTSD patients may have memory problems (lack of focus), the amnesia is not listed as a PTSD symptom.

In the past 4 days I had researched plenty of Internet data; none of the websites that I visited lists amnesia among PTSD symptoms. Check, for example, this website run by the Mayo clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/post-t ... N=symptoms

But there are several drugs that cause amnesia:

“Drug-induced amnesia is amnesia caused by drugs. Amnesia may be therapeutic for treatment of psychological trauma or for medical procedures, or it may be a side-effect of a drug, such as alcohol or rohypnol, commonly known as the date rape drug“.
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug-induced_amnesia

It seems to me that amnesia and PTSD are not related.

Coincidentally, a person could have PTSD and amnesia simultaneously. But when a group of individuals, as in the case of ex-Scientologists, exhibit both illnesses together, this is not a coincidence but a deliberate attempt on someone’s part to cause amnesia in these people.

What would the CoS leaders gain by inflicting amnesia on Sea Org members?

1. Although the amnesia recipients do not forget their relatives completely, they forget many incidents of joint activities that formed emotional bond between them and their loved ones.
The weakening of the emotional bond makes the policy of family separation more effective.

2. Sea Org amnesia victims realize that something is wrong with them; they hope that the help will become in the form of Dianetics auditing and OT trips, which makes them dependent on the church.

3. Even if the amnesia victims leave the Church and decide later to sue it, their testimonies are often considered unreliable because of the memory gaps.

I stayed in Sea Org for 6 months only, which was not enough to develop amnesia. But in some instances I noticed that the Sea Org food tasted funny. At that time I thought that the food was not fresh, but now I am not so sure.

Perhaps, some former Sea Org members could confirm that the SO food was suspicious.

 

[NoName]

OH SHIT...... My in friend is really forgetful sometimes. He's a public, but he's been to advanced orgs. I find this post really disturbing.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Perhaps, some former Sea Org members could confirm that the SO food was suspicious.

Many of your posts are so off the wall I can't decide if you really are that out of it, or if you are simply deliberately trolling.

Paul

 

[BunnySkull]

Scientology IS the mind altering drug - seriously.

It's far more likely that the constant sleep deprevation, relentless stress and work, combined with poor nutrition are far more likely the culprits behind amnesia or poor memory among SO.

Combine that with the hypnotic effect auditing/sec checking, TRs, and objectives which does some serious rewiring to the brain over time and you probably looking at the root causes - a combination of things rather than any one isolated cause.

I know an Ex-SO who was in for years. Her memory is great now - but she has forgotten several huge chunks or big events that occurred while she was in. Only someone else mentioning some of these major events caused the memorie about it to come flooding back - commenting she can't believe she could have ever forgotten such events and people. While my comments above I'm sure play a factor, my friend tried to route out properly for awhile and was subjected to months of sec-checking, with plenty of gang bang sec checks and isolation thrown in.

When people are trying to leave there is a purposeful attempt to fuck with their heads, introvert them and scramble their memories - make reality difficult to differentiate from imagined or implanted stuff. It's pretty evil stuff but I think it one of the big factors behind peoples memory gaps of time while in the SO (trying to sort out WTF really happened). The other purpose is to scare and introvert the person so badly they will be terrified of speaking about their SO experience, or can't talk about it, at least for a number of years until the spell/fear diminishes and most importantly for the cult - the statue of limitation expires.

 

[Adam7986]

Amnesia can stem from emotional trauma and memory loss is a common side-effect of PTSD.

Source

Another rare type of amnesia, called psychogenic or dissociative amnesia, stems from emotional shock or trauma, such as being the victim of a violent crime. In this disorder, a person may lose personal memories and autobiographical information, usually only briefly.

Post-traumatic stress disorder: Symptoms

Being unable to remember important aspects of the trauma

 

[Dulloldfart]

There are various articles online linking aspartame (toxic artificial sweetener used as a sugar substitute in many diet products) and memory loss. I'm sure there are others.

Paul

 

[Lermanet_com]

Back in 1977, I was a buyer for OTC in NYC, "Flag Logistics NY".. I spent my days riding around NYC by subway, looking for goofy shit that 'the old man' wanted, - I recall filet mignon's in a styrofoam cooler being shipped to Flag, while we were eating beans and rice... (but that's another subject)...I got the job cause Ext Comm was getting requests for electronic stuff and needed someone who knew something about what they were looking for (I had an electronics background)

In answer to the thread OP, I have always wondered if he put something in the water of the ship... after I was asked to procure a case of gallon jugs of 100% ethyl alcohol (The kind you can drink..) which was shipped to Flag, - for 'cleaning tape deck recording heads they said. .

Also in answer to OP, - the entirety of the legal definition of brainwashing demands that in addition to everything else we see scientology doing to people, which fits as brainwashing, you have to have a drug used..

Well, the levels of current provided by the E-meter, have been documented to be capable of raising the human body's 'endorphin' levels, - endorphins are the body's painkillers, and are released shortly after a trauma. It is worthy to note that endorphins bind to MORPHINE RECEPTORS, - the same receptors activated by heroin, opium, oxycontin..etc (Google E-meter Endorphin )

There is no question whether this is true, the only question is what is the equivalent dose of morphine for a 2 hour exposure to the E-meter? it may be small, perhaps even insignificant, but the only question is the morphine-dose equivalent...

I believe this would make scientology able to qualify medically and legally as brainwashing...

arnie

 

[Adam7986]

I've never heard that Arnie, but I have often pondered what the effects of e-meter usage were on a person.

 

[Lermanet_com]

I've never heard that Arnie, but I have often pondered what the effects of e-meter usage were on a person.

There was a time, a decade ago, when merely mentioning this would get me flamed for days...

arnie






Just how long would I have to run a small electric current through your body, while telling you things that you wanted to hear, before you became convinced that I held the secrets of the universe?

 

[HoraciotheOT8]

There was a time, a decade ago, when merely mentioning this would get me flamed for days...

arnie

Or weeks. Or months. Or years (reactive mind is reactive, especially when biologically motivated).

Horacio

 

[Demented LRH]

Many of your posts are so off the wall I can't decide if you really are that out of it, or if you are simply deliberately trolling.

Paul

1. My thread title contains question mark, in case you did not notice it. I am not making assumption, I am just asking for more data.

2. I think that you are still reeling after my criticism of the e-meter, which had elicit an emotional response from you. Rather than accusing me of something, you should have asked me if it is possible, in principle, to investigate this matter.
The answer is YES; to do that we need a sample of Sea Org food.

 

[HoraciotheOT8]

Many of your posts are so off the wall I can't decide if you really are that out of it, or if you are simply deliberately trolling.

Paul

Lol! Classic.

For the record a deliberate trolling requires a level of consciousness that is generally unavailable to a run of the mill troll. Which is to say, DB may not be able to help it.

Horacio

 

[Demented LRH]

Scientology IS the mind altering drug - seriously.

It's far more likely that the constant sleep deprevation, relentless stress and work, combined with poor nutrition are far more likely the culprits behind amnesia or poor memory among SO.

Combine that with the hypnotic effect auditing/sec checking, TRs, and objectives which does some serious rewiring to the brain over time and you probably looking at the root causes - a combination of things rather than any one isolated cause.

That it is also a possibility, I agree with you. However, these people should not have been diagnosed with PTSD because the amnesia is not a PTSD symptom.
There is always a possibility of incorrect diagnosis.

 

[HoraciotheOT8]

1. My thread title contains question mark, in case you did not notice it. I am not making assumption, I am just asking for more data.

2. I think that you are still reeling after my criticism of the e-meter, which had elicit an emotional response from you. Rather than accusing me of something, you should have asked me if it is possible, in principle, to investigate this matter.
The answer is YES; to do that we need a sample of Sea Org food.

There are two basic types of food groups for human consumption. One is of the objective variety and the other of the subjective variety. Both serving a vital function to the course of human-being (-ness).

Your suspicions are arising from your mis-assignment of the correct category and or group of consumption.

No one poisoned you with organic food for the body DB. Nor are they poisoning anyone else, besides you. The symptoms you are inquiring about are those of a subjective nature. Which of course are, or can be, of an equal or greater consequence.

Horacio

 

[Panda Termint]

Demented, Are you Taking Mind-altering Drugs?

Honestly, some of your posts here are so off-the-wall and so full of glaring holes, as to factual knowledge about scientology and the Sea Org life, I really wonder if you are "Taking Mind-altering Drugs" yourself or just theorising about these things because you enjoy the sight of your own pixels.

Is there anyone in the physical universe (apart from knowledgeable cousins who can posthumously determine that "Ron was a Retard" or a friend who "saw Ron in his coffin" etc) who can vouch for or confirm your actual participation in scientology/SO in this Universe? I don't mean outting your name or anything, just someone who might say something like, "Oh yeah, I knew Demented in the SO, he was a real hoot!"?

 

[Adam7986]

There was a time, a decade ago, when merely mentioning this would get me flamed for days...

arnie






Just how long would I have to run a small electric current through your body, while telling you things that you wanted to hear, before you became convinced that I held the secrets of the universe?

Holy shit Arnie. That is crazy stuff.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Holy shit Arnie. That is crazy stuff.

Yes. I am restraining myself from commenting again on it.

Paul

 

[NoName]

Back in 1977, I was a buyer for OTC in NYC, "Flag Logistics NY".. I spent my days riding around NYC by subway, looking for goofy shit that 'the old man' wanted, - I recall filet mignon's in a styrofoam cooler being shipped to Flag, while we were eating beans and rice... (but that's another subject)...I got the job cause Ext Comm was getting requests for electronic stuff and needed someone who knew something about what they were looking for (I had an electronics background)

In answer to the thread OP, I have always wondered if he put something in the water of the ship... after I was asked to procure a case of gallon jugs of 100% ethyl alcohol (The kind you can drink..) which was shipped to Flag, - for 'cleaning tape deck recording heads they said. .

Also in answer to OP, - the entirety of the legal definition of brainwashing demands that in addition to everything else we see scientology doing to people, which fits as brainwashing, you have to have a drug used..

Well, the levels of current provided by the E-meter, have been documented to be capable of raising the human body's 'endorphin' levels, - endorphins are the body's painkillers, and are released shortly after a trauma. It is worthy to note that endorphins bind to MORPHINE RECEPTORS, - the same receptors activated by heroin, opium, oxycontin..etc (Google E-meter Endorphin )

There is no question whether this is true, the only question is what is the equivalent dose of morphine for a 2 hour exposure to the E-meter? it may be small, perhaps even insignificant, but the only question is the morphine-dose equivalent...

I believe this would make scientology able to qualify medically and legally as brainwashing...

arnie

A lot of things can cause endorphins to be released, including exercise. I would be curious to know endorphin levels after the Dn Life Repair type auditing that you do without the cans versus the other auditing that you do with the E-Meter. A vast majority of my experience was without the cans, and I can honestly say that I felt euphoric at times. It seems logical enough that the mind-altering effects on the public could come from endorphins, so that could explain some of the amnesia I see in my friend.

As an aside, the people who I've known who were ex-SO received very few services. So I would tend to think that there needs to be another explanation for the SO besides the cans.

 

[Panda Termint]

There is a perfectly obvious explanation, IMO. Sea Org Members receive a Mind Altering Indoctrination which is reinforced by almost everyone they interact with. Their Minds and Perceptions of the world around them are altered by the Sea Org "Reality".

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

There is a perfectly obvious explanation, IMO. Sea Org Members receive a Mind Altering Indoctrination which is reinforced by almost everyone they interact with. Their Minds and Perceptions of the world around them are altered by the Sea Org "Reality".

Yes.. It's also known as hubbardian mindboggling or 'tech', admin, auditing and pavlovian dogtraining in Hubturd's philosophy and cosmology.. Inverted logic on very basic 'spiritual' levels.

And actually all that shit looks much more risky and dangerous when you realize that it was done without any additional remedies.