Are SO Staff Unknowingly Taking Mind-altering Drugs?

[Anonycat]

MB, the OP is serious.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

That the SO members are on drugs? That the food is spiked? Surely, you jest. That is on a par with his other thread that Hubbard is a retard and he proves it by some hocus pocus IQ test based on some of Hubbards writings.

See this is exactly what Hubbard did - he said some things that sort of sound like they make sense, but when you examine them, they are pure cow puckey.

Demented LRH is quite facile with this ploy and he is playing it for all it is worth. Personally, I hope he takes the GOLD in the Troll Olympics.

Trolling ESMB with Hubbard's methods! LOL!

Mimsey

 

[Dulloldfart]

That the food is spiked?

Maybe the lunch that Mr. Demented is out to is spiked. I hadn't considered that.

Paul

 

[AlphOhm]

Speaking of SO unknowingly ingesting things...kinda surprised Arnie has yet to pipe up with his "Lithium research"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHZ9jh7IhkU

oops, wrong link--sorry

 

[Lermanet_com]

Another document (from Ida Camburn) shows that a year before Congressman Leo Ryan's murder in Guyana, that Mary Sue Hubbard wanted to 'Handle Ryan.''

 

[AlphOhm]

Another document (from Ida Camburn) shows that a year before Congressman Leo Ryan's murder in Guyana, that Mary Sue Hubbard wanted to 'Handle Ryan.''

...seems non sequitur but...please, continue

 

[SweetnessandLight]

So wait...the e-meters have a different level of electric charge depending on how you adjust them? :confused2:

Some could be more or less than a TENS unit?

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Really?
They seem to be freely available on the internet: http://www.tensunits.com/

Most well stocked S&M dungeons keep them around: http://www.estim.com/en/content/8-a-word-about-electrosex-stimulation

Where is it you need a prescription for them?

(I am not advocating the use of the above, just pointing out the availability of such.)

Hey Sixxy the actual medical devices known as TENS units do require a prescription for sale, at least here in the States. Not electric muscle stimulators for body builders or versions of vibrators, etc.

From the same website you linked to above: http://www.tensunits.com/whatistens.htm

"2. How can I get a TENS unit?
You will need a prescription from a doctor – chiropractor, obstetrician, Pediatrician, internal medicine doctor or other doctors. Simply mail or fax your prescription to us and we will ship you your TENS."

 

[SweetnessandLight]

...seems non sequitur but...please, continue

Actually, it's a good example of lateral thinking.

We know there were plans to drug Paulette Cooper... to discredit her and make her unstable, how about Senator Ryan? Anybody? :confused2:

 

[Anonycat]

There are no drugs in the food. If there were, the abuse of it would be legendary. DLRH sometimes makes interesting threads. That's all.

Note to Panda; no. I will not carry the title of BS, moonbattery, or incorrect information assistant or liaison. You're just too good at too many things for it to be any different. Sorry mate.

 

[Goodbye]

Are SO Staff Unknowingly Taking Mind-altering Drugs?

If SO food were spiked, people would get sick/nauseous/not feeling well, resulting in Dev-T MO/MAA/HGC cycles and people off post.

Whose interests would be served by lacing food?

Undoubtedly it could lead to doctor visits, even medical emergencies, which in turn might get the attention of the Health Department and a juicy news story to boot.

Motive please?

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I am shocked by the number of ex-Scientologists who were diagnosed with PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). I am also humbled by their bravery -- it takes enormous amount of courage to discuss their problems and treatments openly. Their stories are the strongest warnings to the individuals who are contemplating joining the Church of Scientology. I was especially touched by the stories of ex-Scientologists who suffer from amnesia as the result of their exposure to the cult.

Amnesia is a symptom that is not usually associated with PTSD. While the PTSD patients may have memory problems (lack of focus), the amnesia is not listed as a PTSD symptom.

In the past 4 days I had researched plenty of Internet data; none of the websites that I visited lists amnesia among PTSD symptoms. Check, for example, this website run by the Mayo clinic:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/post-t ... N=symptoms

But there are several drugs that cause amnesia:

“Drug-induced amnesia is amnesia caused by drugs. Amnesia may be therapeutic for treatment of psychological trauma or for medical procedures, or it may be a side-effect of a drug, such as alcohol or rohypnol, commonly known as the date rape drug“.
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug-induced_amnesia

It seems to me that amnesia and PTSD are not related.

Coincidentally, a person could have PTSD and amnesia simultaneously. But when a group of individuals, as in the case of ex-Scientologists, exhibit both illnesses together, this is not a coincidence but a deliberate attempt on someone’s part to cause amnesia in these people.

What would the CoS leaders gain by inflicting amnesia on Sea Org members?

1. Although the amnesia recipients do not forget their relatives completely, they forget many incidents of joint activities that formed emotional bond between them and their loved ones.
The weakening of the emotional bond makes the policy of family separation more effective.

2. Sea Org amnesia victims realize that something is wrong with them; they hope that the help will become in the form of Dianetics auditing and OT trips, which makes them dependent on the church.

3. Even if the amnesia victims leave the Church and decide later to sue it, their testimonies are often considered unreliable because of the memory gaps.

I stayed in Sea Org for 6 months only, which was not enough to develop amnesia. But in some instances I noticed that the Sea Org food tasted funny. At that time I thought that the food was not fresh, but now I am not so sure.

Perhaps, some former Sea Org members could confirm that the SO food was suspicious.

SO food in many cases sucked but thats about it.

The problem with a diagnosis of PTSD is that there is very little research on the deletrious effects of huge continuous stress over long periods of time.

The closest environment to the SO is not the miltary but long term prisoners in maximum security environments where the stress is intense, the food is questionable and the sleep is fractured.

There are many studies which show that prioners in environments which do not change and where each day is pretty similar to the ones preceding and succeeding - exhibit memory problems. Some report losing entire years.

Your problem is the framing of your original question - PTSD deals with traumatic incidents and their aftermath. It is only somewhat applicable to cult experiences.

 

[Purple Rain]

Well, when I was helping out in the galley, we certainly weren't sticking drugs in the veggies. Although, Tom Cruise apparently did once get a bad prawn.

 

[programmer_guy]

SO food in many cases sucked but thats about it.

The problem with a diagnosis of PTSD is that there is very little research on the deletrious effects of huge continuous stress over long periods of time.

The closest environment to the SO is not the miltary but long term prisoners in maximum security environments where the stress is intense, the food is questionable and the sleep is fractured.

There are many studies which show that prioners in environments which do not change and where each day is pretty similar to the ones preceding and succeeding - exhibit memory problems. Some report losing entire years.

Your problem is the framing of your original question - PTSD deals with traumatic incidents and their aftermath. It is only somewhat applicable to cult experiences.

Yeah, when I was doing a course at ASHO, in the 1970s, I did once go into the galley and I thought that it smelled bad.
I never ate anything there. However, the food at The Manor was okay.

The suspicion that the food was drugged is not something that I would believe.

Why do some people go off "the deep end" on this stuff? I don't get it.

There is lots of stuff to criticize about Scientology but this ain't one of them (i.e. drugs in the food).

 

[DagwoodGum]

Back in 1977, I was a buyer for OTC in NYC, "Flag Logistics NY".. I spent my days riding around NYC by subway, looking for goofy shit that 'the old man' wanted, - I recall filet mignon's in a styrofoam cooler being shipped to Flag, while we were eating beans and rice... (but that's another subject)...I got the job cause Ext Comm was getting requests for electronic stuff and needed someone who knew something about what they were looking for (I had an electronics background)

In answer to the thread OP, I have always wondered if he put something in the water of the ship... after I was asked to procure a case of gallon jugs of 100% ethyl alcohol (The kind you can drink..) which was shipped to Flag, - for 'cleaning tape deck recording heads they said. .

Also in answer to OP, - the entirety of the legal definition of brainwashing demands that in addition to everything else we see scientology doing to people, which fits as brainwashing, you have to have a drug used..

Well, the levels of current provided by the E-meter, have been documented to be capable of raising the human body's 'endorphin' levels, - endorphins are the body's painkillers, and are released shortly after a trauma. It is worthy to note that endorphins bind to MORPHINE RECEPTORS, - the same receptors activated by heroin, opium, oxycontin..etc (Google E-meter Endorphin )

There is no question whether this is true, the only question is what is the equivalent dose of morphine for a 2 hour exposure to the E-meter? it may be small, perhaps even insignificant, but the only question is the morphine-dose equivalent...

I believe this would make scientology able to qualify medically and legally as brainwashing...

arnie

I've posted this before but when I was a Class 4 auditor it occurred to me that I was having to charge my meter more than I could comprehend. None of my other battery operated devices lost their charge like the emeter, not flashlights, radio, nothing. So it occured to me the charge was going into the PC and creating some sort of an electro buzz. So one day I held my cans while watching tv and felt the exact same as if I'd just come out of session after an hour of this. That's when I was sure that most of my auditing "wins" were fake, electronically induced phenomena. By then their were many similar electronic devices of a wide variety of current producing similar phenomena on the market. And the first time I mentioned any of this on this board I got shot to pieces but I have no doubt that it is true.

 

[Gadfly]

I've posted this before but when I was a Class 4 auditor it occurred to me that I was having to charge my meter more than I could comprehend. None of my other battery operated devices lost their charge like the emeter, not flashlights, radio, nothing. So it occured to me the charge was going into the PC and creating some sort of an electro buzz. So one day I held my cans while watching tv and felt the exact same as if I'd just come out of session after an hour of this. That's when I was sure that most of my auditing "wins" were fake, electronically induced phenomena. By then their were many similar electronic devices of a wide variety of current producing similar phenomena on the market. And the first time I mentioned any of this on this board I got shot to pieces but I have no doubt that it is true.

Damn, if I still had an E-meter I would try it!

Anything to get a BUZZ!

 

[Caroline]

The problem with a diagnosis of PTSD is that there is very little research on the deletrious effects of huge continuous stress over long periods of time.

I don't know how much research has been done, but the disorder is known as Complex PTSD. (Wikipedia)

I compiled a few related items here.

Gerry wrote about Complex PTSD in a 2006 declaration:

14. Scientology and all the beneficiaries claim that their contract with me is one-sided, and does not require them to be silent about me, to stop Fair Gaming me, or to not assist or cooperate with anyone adverse to me. Indeed, after getting me to sign the contract, the beneficiaries have continued to Black PR, Fair Game, and threaten me to this day. Scientology willfully reneged on its promise to end Fair Game, and its policy and practice for the treatment and handling of SPs remain Fair Game to this day. Since what Scientology sought by its contract to silence me about were virtually all my experiences, knowledge and beliefs then over seventeen years; since these were my religious experiences, knowledge and beliefs about a religion; and since my own mental health and safety depended on my being able to communicate about Scientology related matters, it has always, even the day of signing the contract in 1986, been virtually impossible for me to be silent about my experiences, knowledge and beliefs. Since I now have over thirty-seven years of intense religious experiences, knowledge and beliefs in relation to the Scientology religion; since Scientology leaders have continued to have me declared an SP and have continued to conspire to have me Fair Gamed; since the Scientology beneficiaries have continued to carry out their leaders’ conspiracies and orders for my Fair Gaming; and since the Suppressive Person doctrine continues in force in Scientology and my religious class of SPs continues to be threatened, it is totally and demonstrably impossible for me to be silent about my Scientology related experiences, knowledge and beliefs. I have a condition known as Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, or Complex PTSD, which is not a mental illness but psychological injury resulting from prolonged attacks, threat, bullying, cruelty or abuse, which is exactly what Scientology’s Fair Game campaigns against SPs are and are intended to be. Hubbard and Scientology teach that Scientologists are to wage a “war of attrition” on SPs and are to “go all the way in and obliterate” them. Enduring and dealing with Complex PTSD is not possible without communicating about the injury and its cause, in my case the lies, fraud and abuse inside Scientology and the now twenty-four years of being an SP and the target of Fair Game attacks since leaving. Scientology’s efforts to compel me by its unconscionable contract and court orders to not communicate about these things, and to get courts to punish me if I do communicate about my injury and its cause, while Scientology and the beneficiaries continue to Black PR, threaten and Fair Game me, simply and cruelly adds to the injury this organization and its personnel have already inflicted.

Retrieved from http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50k/legal/related/4382.php.

 

[DagwoodGum]

I was never a SO member but I remember staying at the Manor in the mid 70's and noticing that some of the staff that had seemed friendly and energetic when I had stayed there previously now had mindless zombie, and most miserable stares going on.
My wife is Colombian and I remember the US State Dept had published a warning that was on the front page of an American newsletter that was free for the taking in one of the newspaper boxes on the corner in Bogota my first time there in 2005. It warned American tourists about burundanga, which has been the subject of urban legends and scare emails. But my English speaking Colombian in laws warned me about it and one of them who had previously been a player in the drug trade had been held hostage for 5 days while drugged with it till they broke him and he gave them the information they wanted at which point they let him go with no identification to wander the streets lost.
If Nibs was telling the truth then Elron would have had Colombian drug cartel connections to import cocaine and he would have gained familiarity with burundaga (scopolamine) and would have learned that it was a surefire thing to create zombies and slaves, both for servants and his black magic ceremonies. I've read that long term exposure to it renders someone permanently mindless at which point the cartels would simply dispose of the women that they kept captive as sex slaves using scopolamine (burundanga).
One can dispute all of this as just craziness, but being aware of it doesn't hurt. But that would certainly be one way for the paranoid Hubbard to keep a mindlessly obedient staff by putting very low doses of this drug in the beans & rice in order that they would not be permanently destroyed, mentally and of no further use to him.
http://www.corpus-delicti.com/smp/Pittel_Burundanga.html
http://biopsychiatry.com/scopolamine/borrachero.html

 

[AlphOhm]

I've posted this before but when I was a Class 4 auditor it occurred to me that I was having to charge my meter more than I could comprehend. None of my other battery operated devices lost their charge like the emeter, not flashlights, radio, nothing. So it occured to me the charge was going into the PC and creating some sort of an electro buzz. So one day I held my cans while watching tv and felt the exact same as if I'd just come out of session after an hour of this. That's when I was sure that most of my auditing "wins" were fake, electronically induced phenomena. By then their were many similar electronic devices of a wide variety of current producing similar phenomena on the market. And the first time I mentioned any of this on this board I got shot to pieces but I have no doubt that it is true.

Might make a difference if you were watching the Comedy channel or the 6 o'clock news?

 

[Caroline]

Here's another reference to Complex PTSD, which Gerry wrote about in a 2007 declaration in Armstrong VII:

11. As a result of Scientology’s long term attacks and threats, Caroline and I receive a disability allowance for a Complex-PTSD condition that is right at the poverty level in British Columbia. We both are extremely impaired in our daily activities, and virtually precluded from normal employment opportunities, normal relationships or normal lives. This is not unusual for people like us who are victims of long term bullying, abuse and threat. We have no funds to travel at this time to California, and I need the opportunity to raise such funds for travel and other expenses involved, and time to make the necessary arrangements.

Retrieved from http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50k/legal/a7/3862.php