Are SO Staff Unknowingly Taking Mind-altering Drugs?

[DagwoodGum]

Might make a difference if you were watching the Comedy channel or the 6 o'clock news?

Yes it would but I don't remember anymore what I was watching, but I think it was back to back sit coms. A lot cheaper than auditing nonetheless!

 

[Mest Lover]

4 hours of sleep on avg will turn you into a zombie. I spent many a night in the kitchen at CLO EUS making my own dinner at 1am. There were no illicit drugs in that kitchen. I also assure you that if anything was coming or going via TELEX i would have read it!

 

[programmer_guy]

I've posted this before but when I was a Class 4 auditor it occurred to me that I was having to charge my meter more than I could comprehend. None of my other battery operated devices lost their charge like the emeter, not flashlights, radio, nothing. So it occured to me the charge was going into the PC and creating some sort of an electro buzz. So one day I held my cans while watching tv and felt the exact same as if I'd just come out of session after an hour of this. That's when I was sure that most of my auditing "wins" were fake, electronically induced phenomena. By then their were many similar electronic devices of a wide variety of current producing similar phenomena on the market. And the first time I mentioned any of this on this board I got shot to pieces but I have no doubt that it is true.

A one-time personal experiment would be enough to suspect that this might be true.

A double blind study (with never-was-SCN subjects) with control and experimental groups would establish the truth, one way or the other. (And the electrical current used would have to be the same as an e-meter.)

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Or weeks. Or months. Or years (reactive mind is reactive, especially when biologically motivated).

Horacio

First, you need to establish there is this thing you call a "reactive mind".

Then you might be able to comment what it is / isn't.

But, right now, it seems you are continuing to troll.

 

[Dulloldfart]

A one-time personal experiment would be enough to suspect that this might be true.

A double blind study (with never-was-SCN subjects) with control and experimental groups would establish the truth, one way or the other. (And the electrical current used would have to be the same as an e-meter.)

1. I've had sessions on the emeter where I felt good.
2. I've had sessions on the emeter where I didn't feel good.
3. I've had sessions off the meter where I felt good.
4. I've had sessions off the meter where I didn't feel good.

(And so have many other posters here, I would guess.)

How does that line up with Arnie's theory?

Paul

 

[Mest Lover]

My take on that post about charge length. SCN is cheap ass. badly produced cheapest of the heap bidded batteries would be my guess on that.

 

[smartone]

It is a well known fact beans are a hallucinogenic - they are not called the magic fruit for nothing. Just eat a steady diet of rice and beans and enter a sort of twilight zone where invisible sp's lurk around the corner, like gremlins, crashing stats, causing the pc's and students to fade away till the halls are empty and the echo's of the mimeograph machine printing golden rod is the only sound you hear.

Spooky stuff.

Mimsey

As for me, I'm trying to imagine the pong of sleeping in a dormitory with a dozen other SO members who've been eating beans and rice for a while.....

 

[AlphOhm]

As for me, I'm trying to imagine the pong of sleeping in a dormitory with a dozen other SO members who've been eating beans and rice for a while.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

 

[Lermanet_com]

1. I've had sessions on the emeter where I felt good.
2. I've had sessions on the emeter where I didn't feel good.
3. I've had sessions off the meter where I felt good.
4. I've had sessions off the meter where I didn't feel good.

(And so have many other posters here, I would guess.)

How does that line up with Arnie's theory?

Paul

subjective reality may vary, as will the induced equivalent dose of morphine...
read the cites linked from the e-meter image ..or here

C. R. Chapman, "[Modulation of experimental dental pain in man with acupuncture and by transcutaneous electric stimulation]," Ann Anesthesiol Fr, vol. 19, no. 5, pp. 427-33, 1978
This observation suggests that endogenic morphine-like peptides are released in response to low frequency electrical stimulation of the skin. After electroacupuncture in the patients with pain CSF beta-endorphin levels rose significantly in all subjects, but met-enkephalin levels were unchanged. These results suggest that the analgesia observed after electroacupuncture in patients with recurrent pain may be mediated by the release into the CSF of the endogenous opiate, beta-endorphin.

there is something to this. how much? I couldn't say... it would take a lab to determine that.


note: The lowest frequency of them all is direct current...

 

[Anonycat]

there is something to this. how much? I couldn't say... it would take a lab to determine that.

That's likely the case with any incomplete independent study of a single topic 35 years ago.

 

[DagwoodGum]

A one-time personal experiment would be enough to suspect that this might be true.

A double blind study (with never-was-SCN subjects) with control and experimental groups would establish the truth, one way or the other. (And the electrical current used would have to be the same as an e-meter.)

That would be a worthwhile study.. I guess I was just looking for what was true for me and the fact that I already had what is called a zapper that puts current into the body for the purpose of curing what ails you and releasing endorphins I was satisfied and didn't bother to try it on anyone else. I guess I could have tried it on my wife but it never occurred to me.
http://www.bestzapper.com/

 

[Lermanet_com]

That's likely the case with any incomplete independent study of a single topic 35 years ago.

Straw Man

there are tons of cites... "electricity endorphin"

Webpages 1.2 million pages

Google Scholar 1400 papers and articles

argue with them...


of course if there is some profit motive for denial, then by all means tar and feather the messenger...

 

[programmer_guy]

Straw Man

there are tons of cites... "electricity endorphin"

Webpages 1.2 million pages

Google Scholar 1400 papers and articles

argue with them...


of course if there is some profit motive for denial, then by all means tar and feather the messenger...

Arnie,
Did you really read the content of all those URLs that you posted?
Please select a few of them and make comments on the ones that you find compelling.
Just a suggestion.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Electrical Stimulation, Endorphins, and the Practice of Clinical Psychology
Authors: Ulett G.A.1; Wedding D.2
Source: Journal of Clinical Psychology in Medical Settings, Volume 10, Number 2, June 2003 , pp. 129-131(3)
Publisher: Springer

"Endorphins, natural neuropeptides active in basal brain structures, act upon anxiolytic mu receptors. Solid evidence from fMRI and neurochemical studies show that a simple office procedure involving electrical stimulation can stimulate the expression of endorphins in the brain."

 

[programmer_guy]

That would be a worthwhile study.. I guess I was just looking for what was true for me and the fact that I already had what is called a zapper that puts current into the body for the purpose of curing what ails you and releasing endorphins I was satisfied and didn't bother to try it on anyone else. I guess I could have tried it on my wife but it never occurred to me.
http://www.bestzapper.com/

I find it a little hard to believe in total.

But I am willing to correct my opinion based on scientific studies that match closely with the important details.

When PCs go into session the expectations (and group think) may FAR out-weigh any possible e-meter effects.
(i.e. you do not need an e-meter to create a mind-control cult.)

 

[programmer_guy]

Electrical Stimulation, Endorphins, and the Practice of Clinical Psychology
Authors: Ulett G.A.1; Wedding D.2
Source: Journal of Clinical Psychology in Medical Settings, Volume 10, Number 2, June 2003 , pp. 129-131(3)
Publisher: Springer

"Endorphins, natural neuropeptides active in basal brain structures, act upon anxiolytic mu receptors. Solid evidence from fMRI and neurochemical studies show that a simple office procedure involving electrical stimulation can stimulate the expression of endorphins in the brain."

Can you provide a URL for that?

 

[Lermanet_com]

I find it a little hard to believe in total.

But I am willing to correct my opinion based on scientific studies that match closely with the important details.

When PCs go into session the expectations (and group think) may FAR out-weigh any possible e-meter effects.
(i.e. you do not need an e-meter to create a mind-control cult.)

And you fiegn to find this a little more harder to believe than XENU?

You must be kidding...

click image:

 

[DagwoodGum]

1. I've had sessions on the emeter where I felt good.
2. I've had sessions on the emeter where I didn't feel good.
3. I've had sessions off the meter where I felt good.
4. I've had sessions off the meter where I didn't feel good.

(And so have many other posters here, I would guess.)

How does that line up with Arnie's theory?

Paul

"How does that line up with Arnie's theory?" Is that Arnie's theory or is he merely shining light into the darkness surrounding the emeter? I discovered most of what he is saying long before I ever even heard of Arnie Lerna as it's all over the web. He concurs with a shit load of research that has been done on the matter but he is by no means the originator of the research that has been done on electrical stimulation as pertains to endorphin release, nor either the effects or side effects.
http://www.promolife.com/cart/health-articles/pain-relief-articles/electrical-stimulation

 

[DagwoodGum]

I find it a little hard to believe in total.

But I am willing to correct my opinion based on scientific studies that match closely with the important details.

When PCs go into session the expectations (and group think) may FAR out-weigh any possible e-meter effects.
(i.e. you do not need an e-meter to create a mind-control cult.)

Though I'm not at all interested in what others believe, their opinions, expectations or group think, I'll just point to some sites to save you from having to Google any of this yourself. Beliefs and opinions lead me down Scientology's primrose path to enslavement so now I'm only interested in what's verifiable and therefore real. Nothing to believe in, just things to know about.
http://www.promolife.com/cart/health-articles/pain-relief-articles/electrical-stimulation
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=zapper&_sacat=26395&_from=R40
http://worldwithoutparasites.com/
http://www.bestzapper.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_electrical_nerve_stimulation
http://altered-states.net/barry/update161/index.htm

 

[programmer_guy]

Though I'm not at all interested in what others believe, their opinions, expectations or group think, I'll just point to some sites to save you from having to Google any of this yourself. Beliefs and opinions lead me down Scientology's primrose path to enslavement so now I'm only interested in what's verifiable and therefore real. Nothing to believe in, just things to know about.
http://www.promolife.com/cart/health-articles/pain-relief-articles/electrical-stimulation
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=zapper&_sacat=26395&_from=R40
http://worldwithoutparasites.com/
http://www.bestzapper.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_electrical_nerve_stimulation
http://altered-states.net/barry/update161/index.htm

Yeah, many years ago my dad got chiropractic electrical therapy for a knee injury (that seemed to work) but never said that it changed his mind about anything other than the therapy.

What is your point?