Ask Kate your questions here...

[Veda]

You like the Scientology Inc. commercials? Huh?

I like the work done on things like the Scientology commercials and the various quote videos

-snip-

Doesn't the deceptive nature of these bother you?

These are used to lure unsuspecting people into Scientology Inc., and they aren't pampered would-be religious scholars, so they won't get the kid gloves treatment that you're receiving.

 

[kate8024]

And oh yeah! Never mind that they are slaves doing this great work with a few paid actors ( not actual members are ever used!) fuck the human rights issue..the colors and graphics are sooooo pretty!

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the 'actors' are, in fact, SO members and staff. One can admire someone's work while hating the conditions that work was produced in. These are separate issues for me. They may not be for you, but your view is not mine.

 

[kate8024]

Re: You like the Scientology Inc. commercials? Huh?

Doesn't the deceptive nature if these bother you?

These are used to lure unsuspecting people into Scientology Inc., and they aren't pampered would-be religious scholars, so they won't get the kid gloves treatment that you're receiving

Not sure how I'm a "pampered would-be religious scholars" but whatever.

I don't believe commercials like the Knowledge commercial to actually be effective in getting people into Scientology so their 'deceptive' nature doesn't bother me much. If someone pulls up next to an adult in an unmarked van and says "hey lady, you like candy? jump in my van and i'll give you some chocolate" then its more the ridiculousness of the underlying premise that bothers me more than the deception because they are not fooling anyone.

 

[kate8024]

<meet a scientologist video>

Well I hate the whole idea behind the Meet a Scientologist videos. Interestingly I find them weirdly like the I'm a Mormon videos.

 

[MissWog]

Honestly, this just sounds to me like you are trying to convince either Scions on the fence or never-ins that the church isn't so bad and people should give it a try. It is as if you just want to knock that first little doubt out of the way in hopes to keep members or recruit more. I'm sorry but you do sound like you work for the CofS. And if you don't care that this is the way you come across then I question your lack of sympathy for others and I don't understand why that doesn't bother you.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything other than what I'm saying are my experiences are, in fact, my experiences. Would you prefer that I lie about my experiences or do you prefer that I not talk about them? I don't care if people who are in Scientology leave or stay, I don't care if people who are not in decide to join or decide to protest. Those things are not my battles.

Wow..I'm at a loss..you come across as so selfish and void of any compassion and that doesn't bother you?! Have you ever wondered if you suffer from a personality disorder?

 

[NoName]

Yes, I posted the exact quote from KSW earlier in this thread (page 7):

See LINK

It is common to hear staff and some Scientology public use the term derogatorily about dilettantes and fence-hangers.

I shoulda phrased that better - is there a description beyond what you posted that can be found in HCOB or HCOPL? I was never far enough in to know of such a thing.

 

[Veda]

Tony Ortega has been working through them on his site. I actually like the Boots in Space one a lot, that's one he has posted already. I also like the Knowledge commercial which I assume was done by Golden Era as well as the Fundamentals of Thought DVD which is in a similar style.

Regarding the Knowledge commercial I also loved how there was a marketing agency that measured consumer response over the course of the commercial and it got quite high until the very end when they tell you its about Scientology, I found that to be hilarious.

Scientology Inc. is aware of that, of course, but they still snag enough people with these slick Golden Era products to make it worthwhile for them.

 

[Veda]

Well I hate the whole idea behind the Meet a Scientologist videos. Interestingly I find them weirdly like the I'm a Mormon videos.

What's the whole idea behind the 'Meet a Scientologist' videos?

 

[kate8024]

I totally called this!
It's a commercial for the commercials..it's a invitation to porous the book isle.
Im sorry Kate I can't help myself and you really don't have to answer this bc I'm not asking you a question..just making an observation.

It wasn't a commercial for the commercials - it was a thank you to the people who actually go through the trouble to make them despite the conditions of being in SO. I'm not saying The Church of Scientology does a good job here - I'm saying the individuals who do the jobs of media production within those divisions do a good job in spite of the crap they have to put up with.

 

[kate8024]

What's the whole idea behind the 'Meet a Scientologist' videos?

To me, the idea is to show that Scientologists are normal everyday people and not total weirdos. I think its a silly campaign targeting people who don't want to investigate and critically analyze the subject.

 

[kate8024]

Wow..I'm at a loss..you come across as so selfish and void of any compassion and that doesn't bother you?! Have you ever wondered if you suffer from a personality disorder?

How is it selfish to want other people to make their own decisions for their own lives?

 

[MissWog]

Are you implying that I directly discuss these particular issues with Scientology staff? I don't believe that bringing those topics up to regular staff members in a direct way would have a positive effect - usually things like that result in staff members digging in their heels and pushing themselves even more into the organization. I recommend reading http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/16.htm

How about just discussing these issues with yourself?!
Nation of Islam, the killing of Lisa Mc Pherson, the harassment and intimidation of former Scientologists who have spoken out, the impisonment of Scientology staff, the abandonment of elderly Scientologists, the routine break-up of families, and bankruptcies. You say those things concern you, but your response seems... well, glib. How do you rationalize being in the Church? I'd really like to know, Kate. Also, please tell me the reaction you get from Scientologists if and when you mention that David Miscavige beats his staff.

 

[Veda]

To me, the idea is to show that Scientologists are normal everyday people and not total weirdos. I think its a silly campaign targeting people who don't want to investigate and critically analyze the subject.

And take Scientology Inc. correspondence courses, and praise the ones doing the targeting: Golden Era Studios.

:confused2:

[video=youtube;8Y800s8y9Zg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y800s8y9Zg#t=38[/video]
Here's the Knowledge video you like so much.​

 

[MissWog]

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the 'actors' are, in fact, SO members and staff. One can admire someone's work while hating the conditions that work was produced in. These are separate issues for me. They may not be for you, but your view is not mine.

Well you are wrong, they are paid actors.. Ask Marc.. They have been paid actors since so many of the folks who used to be in them started leaving and they had to reshoot.. Like Larry Anderson.

You can see the ads for casting calls and the signs for "Extras Parking" in photos online..they even stuff the live events with actors to give the illusion they have more members than they have.

I'm sure someone here will post the dox to back me up or I will later.

Im still searching for this supposed GAT2 comparison that will explain the changes from old to new that you like so much...I hope you find it bc I don't think it exists.

 

[MissWog]

Well I hate the whole idea behind the Meet a Scientologist videos. Interestingly I find them weirdly like the I'm a Mormon videos.

See Scientology is just like another religion tek hahaha!

 

[DagwoodGum]

How is it selfish to want other people to make their own decisions for their own lives?

But you can't see that their decisions were and are based upon the deception from highly trained cons, that's what's worrisome. The narcissistic personality cares nothing of the pain of others, "tough shit, people are responsible for their own conditions"? But that just doesn't jive with the diarrhea that it's ones duty to save mankind, unless of course that is merely a cons front for the enslavement of others. Many here have actually been such slaves so you really don't have a clue beyond your glibness and I'm wondering why people are still buying into your thread?

 

[MissWog]

How is it selfish to want other people to make their own decisions for their own lives?

 

[Dulloldfart]

Im still searching for this supposed GAT2 comparison that will explain the changes from old to new that you like so much...I hope you find it bc I don't think it exists.

Does this count? It's about the 2007 book revisions:

I still see posts from people saying how the original books were just fine and DM's changes of them for 2007 involved worsening them. My response has to be Dox or STFU.

I have not seen one single comparison of the actual texts of the two sets of books apart from the ones I have noted on this thread. I know DM has chopped whole words or sentences out of PDC tapes, but that is a different area. This topic is the 2007 books.

TL;DR version: as far as I can tell from actually eyeballing the damn things, the 2007 versions are closer to the Hubbard original dictation than earlier versions, even if it was DM that did it.

Paul

 

[MissWog]

But you can't see that their decisions were and are based upon the deception from highly trained cons, that's what's worrisome. The narcissistic personality cares nothing of the pain of others, "tough shit, people are responsible for their own conditions"? But that just doesn't jive with the diarrhea that it's ones duty to save mankind, unless of course that is merely a cons front for the enslavement of others. Many here have actually been such slaves so you really don't have a clue beyond your glibness and I'm wondering why people are still buying into your thread?

I'm pretty much there! I was really trying to get an answer about GAT2 and the changes she likes and how she reconciles supporting the abuses..but she seems incapable of seeing what we are taking about and instead parses to justify what she wants to be the truth.

I don't think she is an academic..I think she is a very evolved culti troll whose mission is to self deprecate when necessary, criticize current and past management as needed including LRH, basically say what ever it takes in hopes of getting a reader to second guess all the bad they have heard about the cult. Disarm and present a kinder gentler Co$.. In some part for PR sake, some part to keep questioning members seeking info on that fence they are sitting on and maybe just a tiny bit of hope that a never-in might buy a book or watch an ad or visit the church website and at the very least that is a stat.

Otherwise, she is one of the most scary selfish people I have ever encountered. Sorry if Kate feels attacked by my honesty but there is just no way to sugar coat my assessment and this brings me absolutely zero gratification!

 

[kate8024]

Well you are wrong, they are paid actors.. Ask Marc.. They have been paid actors since so many of the folks who used to be in them started leaving and they had to reshoot.. Like Larry Anderson.

You can see the ads for casting calls and the signs for "Extras Parking" in photos online..they even stuff the live events with actors to give the illusion they have more members than they have.

I'm sure someone here will post the dox to back me up or I will later.

Im still searching for this supposed GAT2 comparison that will explain the changes from old to new that you like so much...I hope you find it bc I don't think it exists.

http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/20/a-video-scientology-doesnt-want-you-to-see-boots-in-the-sky/

> "This quote video was shot with Int Base staff as actors. The guy walking around in the boots is Adam Reuveni."

This video is still distributed as part of Golden Age of Knowledge: Basics and Golden Age of Knowledge: Complete DVD sets. The 'actors' leaving the church doesn't make the videos they act in obsolete. I'm sure they do use actors in some cases, but they also use a lot of staff as actors.

You are probably searching for the wrong thing if you are searching for GAT2 comparison. Here is a page that outlines a lot of changes to the material: http://scientologistsfreezone.com/changes.shtml