BBC Interview with Anonymous Argentina and Scn OSA ARGENTINA Gustavo Libardi

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Translation of a Spanish article posted on March 5, 2012 on the BBC World website and quoted in various Latin American media:
¿Qué tiene Anonymous contra la Cienciología?

What does Anonymous have against Scientology?

by Damian Pachter
BBC World, Argentina
March 5, 2012


Caption: Anonymous Argentina has intensified its actions against the Church of Scientology.


A group of activists who are part of the Anonymous network, which is mostly made up of computer hackers, is waging a "religious war" in Argentina.

In recent weeks, Anonymous Argentina has intensified its street demonstrations against the local Church of Scientology, organizing masked protests outside its location.

One of the founders of Anonymous Argentina, known as "Petete", told BBC World that the group has information alleging the illegal practice of medicine, psychological abuse, and pedophilia within the church.

However, the president of the Church of Scientology of Argentina, Gustavo Libardi, speaking with BBC World, denied the accusations leveled by Anonymous, especially the allegations of pedophilia.

The Church of Scientology in Argentina has between 7,000 and 8,000 members.

Scientology was officially recognized as a religion by the Argentine government in 2008, and Libardi says its goal is "the betterment of humanity."

"We are a civilizing project and, unlike in other religions, everyone is welcome to join," he explained to BBC World.

The year Scientology received recognition from the Argentine state was also the year of the first outcry from Anonymous, at a global level. In a video entitled "Message to Scientology", Anonymous expressed its intention to destroy the religious organization, questioning Scientology's methods and its nature.

Connections

According to the leader of Anonymous Argentina, the operation that began nearly four years ago aims to generate protests against the Church of Scientology around the world "to raise awareness in society about the systematic violations of human rights perpetrated by Scientology."

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Caption: Libardi denies the accusations leveled by Anonymous
and says that the church is a "civilizing project".


However, the hacker group's representative also has a personal interest. His current partner in life and in his activism, "EEvey" (her name inside the group), was a member of the church in the United States, and she left the cult after getting to know "Petete".

"They are surrounded by people who know the truth, by people who worked there, by people who are still inside, and do you know what they do? They are giving us information. We have infiltrators, but there are also informers who are not part of us (Anonymous). They are church members who are very unhappy and angry about what is happening, and they are afraid. Because there is a reign of fear inside Scientology," said the leader of Anonymous Argentina to BBC World.

Libardi says he is aware of "infiltrators" in the church he runs and that their goal "is to misrepresent the activity" of his organization.

In addition, the president of the Church of Scientology says that a former member of his organization – who lives in Mexico – is "manipulating" Anonymous Argentina with distorted information.

"There are people who latch onto the message of Anonymous to do things that stem from religious hatred. There is no other purpose than to destroy the Scientology religion, this is clearly stated. That person, who lives in Mexico, is the one who gives strength, information, and direction to the group that is here," says Libardi.

The leader of Anonymous Argentina admits that one of his informants is the former member mentioned by Libardi.

"Being in contact with him does not mean that he is directing us. We hear what Rafael Gómez, a Mexican who worked here (in Argentina) for 10 years, has to say. He knows Libardi, he knows the financial maneuvers that the cult performs in Argentina, and he has published this information on the Internet," said "Petete" to BBC World.

Secretiveness?

Like Argentina, there are other countries where Scientology is officially recognized as a religion.

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Caption: Anonymous Argentina seeks global protests.


One of the most important countries is the United States, where there are even well-known show business figures who promote Scientology – for example, actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

But in other places, the cult has been associated with controversy.

In France, the two principal entities of the Church of Scientology were convicted in court on charges of "organized fraud".

In Russia, Scientology's written material was ruled extremist and its distribution was banned in Russian territory.

Adrian Salbuchi, a political analyst who specializes in issues of power and religion, told BBC World that a particularity of Scientology is a secretiveness which, he says, has been increasing over the past half-century.

According to Salbuchi, the church of Scientology is a private institution, and it possesses a wealth of information that is privileged and private.

"Since Scientology isn't required to be as transparent as is the case for public institutions, it is difficult to find proof of illegal activities inside the organization," he said.

Nevertheless, he does say that the religious group uses "psychological methods to facilitate massive control over its followers and this may be the basis for the reports of abuse and wrongdoing issued by Anonymous in Argentina."

The president of the Church of Scientology in Argentina states that there have been no legal complaints of alleged abuse or possible illegal activity, and he in fact invited Anonymous Argentina to formally file its complaints with judicial authorities.

The campaign by the group of hackers does not, however, seem to be far from ending. "The next steps will be stronger, the Church of the Scientology will be trembling," said "Petete".

link: [url]https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/argentina-bbc-article-about-anonymous-vs-scientology.100771/[/url]

And lol.... Scn Church tries to say I am the big bad sp manning anonymous agentina? lame lame ..... they dont need directions. OSA and David made the mistakes and all the stuff still going on in order to create their own prosecutors.

Greetings to all.!
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
This was a pretty good bit of press for the young people who are working to end the abuses of Scientology in South America... but (if the translation is to be believed) the journalist didn't exactly do her homework.


"...mostly made up of computer hackers"

Are we sure this is so? Mostly hackers? I think not. I mean, I don't completely 'get' Anonymous, I know... but I don't think its "membership" maps directly with those who protest outside orgs. Are we saying that for some reason it's mostly people who commit computer crime, who care about disconnection? Bizarre.


"The Church of Scientology in Argentina has between 7,000 and 8,000 members."

So says the cult with convictions for fraud going back half a century... these ludicrous assertions of membership and growth used to be funny; now they're just a litmus test for lazy journalism.


"...the leader of Anonymous Argentina"

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but whatever happened to the derogatory Anon term, "leaderfagging"? It was a movement without leaders - that's what made it so difficult for CofS' usual dirty tricks to decapitate. I am sure 'Petete' didn't describe himself as the leader for both these reasons: the opinion of his fellow protesters and for his own safety.


"...the cult..."

Heh. But: hackers, cult... is our lazy journalist trying to spice up this story just a little too hard?


"...Tom Cruise and John Travolta"

Oh, come on! This is news? This is filler.


The most interesting part of the article, for my money, concerns "infiltrators" and "informers". Not so much that insider-informers exist, because that's been the case at virtually every org, for years (and thanks very much for the leaks, guys). No, the interesting thing is...

"Libardi says he is aware of 'infiltrators' in the church he runs..."

Oh, yes. This is the good stuff. Because an awareness of infiltrators (plural) means endless sec checks. It means mistrust within the org. It means paranoia on a Hubbardian scale. This will eat up Scn in Argentina. The guys dancing on the sidewalk opposite can besiege Scientology and starve it of 'fresh meat', but it's the scheming that goes on inside that will really destroy it. So that's good to know. Keep up the good work, Gustavo!

The Classic Clam Response [tm] is of course to find an enemy to blame. Find somebody to attack, to make it go right. And that person is Rafael Gómez... because that which is going wrong in Buenos Aires can't possibly be because all the cult victims are fed up with fed up with heavy regging, endless ethics and a Tech that doesn't actually work. Never! Blame somebody in Mexico... that's bound to be the cause.

:clap:

(Original article: here)
 
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rafagomezd

Patron
This was a pretty good bit of press for the young people who are working to end the abuses of Scientology in South America... but (if the translation is to be believed) the journalist didn't exactly do her homework.


"...mostly made up of computer hackers"

Are we sure this is so? Mostly hackers? I think not. I mean, I don't completely 'get' Anonymous, I know... but I don't think its "membership" maps directly with those who protest outside orgs. Are we saying that for some reason it's mostly people who commit computer crime, who care about disconnection? Bizarre.


"The Church of Scientology in Argentina has between 7,000 and 8,000 members."

So says the cult with convictions for fraud going back half a century... these ludicrous assertions of membership and growth used to be funny; now they're just a litmus test for lazy journalism.


"...the leader of Anonymous Argentina"

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but whatever happened to the derogatory Anon term, "leaderfagging"? It was a movement without leaders - that's what made it so difficult for CofS' usual dirty tricks to decapitate. I am sure 'Petete' didn't describe himself as the leader for both these reasons: the opinion of his fellow protesters and for his own safety.


"...the cult..."

Heh. But: hackers, cult... is our lazy journalist trying to spice up this story just a little too hard?


"...Tom Cruise and John Travolta"

Oh, come on! This is news? This is filler.


The most interesting part of the article, for my money, concerns "infiltrators" and "informers". Not so much that insider-informers exist, because that's been the case at virtually every org, for years (and thanks very much for the leaks, guys). No, the interesting thing is...

"Libardi says he is aware of 'infiltrators' in the church he runs..."

Oh, yes. This is the good stuff. Because an awareness of infiltrators (plural) means endless sec checks. It means mistrust within the org. It means paranoia on a Hubbardian scale. This will eat up Scn in Argentina. The guys dancing on the sidewalk opposite can besiege Scientology and starve it of 'fresh meat', but it's the scheming that goes on inside that will really destroy it. So that's good to know. Keep up the good work, Gustavo!

The Classic Clam Response [tm] is of course to find an enemy to blame. Find somebody to attack, to make it go right. And that person is Rafael Gómez... because that which is going wrong in Buenos Aires can't possibly be because all the cult victims are fed up with fed up with heavy regging, endless ethics and a Tech that doesn't actually work. Never! Blame somebody in Mexico... that's bound to be the cause.

:clap:

(Original article: here)

I will just clap on this response is very good. : ) and yes next time I will be blamed because 9/11 or something like that... oh wait maybe the Challenger Incident even before I got into the sea org ... right... : ) cheers buddy!!!!
 
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