BBC Panorama: Desperate Lies 2010 (footbullet from Freedommag)

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
The most vile thing I've ever seen is how they use Mike Rinder's son's illness against him, and his family.

I do not think any human being will watch this and not see through what they are doing.

These people are sick and dangerous. This video is proof.
 

TEoS

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Desperate Scientology propaganda fodder, which only the most gullible of Scientology slaves will swallow. Joe Public will see right through this. You wasted your money, Slappy.

Its publication is inconsequential to all but the most brainwashed, except for giving lulz to the Scientology critics :)
 

Kookaburra

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Desperate Scientology propaganda fodder, which only the most gullible of Scientology slaves will swallow. Joe Public will see right through this. You wasted your money, Slappy.

Its publication is inconsequential to all but the most brainwashed, except for giving lulz to the Scientology critics :)

You mean he wasted parishioners money. That money would have come from the IAS donations. Hopefully that will piss off a few more people. :D
 

Scn.Hun

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Title of Rinder

Rinder talks about being taken out of the hole to speak at an event after 2002. The video footage of the event will have the title they gave him for the event.

This will show they are lying in this video.

I think you mean the 2004 IAS Event.
David Miscavige: "Please welcome Mr. Mike Rinder"
The title shown on the video is: "Mr. Mike Rinder", nothing else. Like Mike didn't have a post.

Look at this video from 1:00 till 1:30 (30 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ-kY50J50
 

lionheart

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:drowning:

Well, I made it through the first one. That narrator's voice just cracks me up. . . .trying to use the tone scale . . . kind of reminiscent of that horrible "can we ever be friends" tape from years ago. I think those people get so used to how they sound doing their TR's that they don't realize how ridiculous it sounds to those of outside the Truman Show.

The only people they are going to reach with this are the ones already so indoctrinated it wouldn't matter anyway. But you've gotta give them credit for trying. They're going to go down swinging anyway.:punch:

It is kind of intriguing to watch them try to climb out of this with 1950's tech that wasn't really that good even back then.

:hourglass: :timebomb:

Desperate Scientology propaganda fodder, which only the most gullible of Scientology slaves will swallow. Joe Public will see right through this. You wasted your money, Slappy.

Its publication is inconsequential to all but the most brainwashed, except for giving lulz to the Scientology critics :)

If any "parishoners" watch this - the best outcome for the CofS that would be achieved would be that the "parishoners" now know, if they didn't already, that their "religion" is controversial! The worst outcome would be planted seeds of doubt as to why their Church is mired in so much controversy and seeds of doubt about LRH's explanation that it is caused by the "merchants of Chaos".

LRH specifically advised to not show "entheta" to scientology members, to not promote the "enemy" line. Looks like DM, in his desperation, has forgotten that.

If his intention was to reach the wider non-scn public, well in the same way he is promoting "entheta" that will put people off joining his cult.

When I was a "slave" little seeds of doubt were planted by knowing books like "The Mind Benders" were out there, reading the Readers Digest article about the CofS splitting up families, knowing "Nibs" was a critic, etc.

None of these were enough to cause me to leave, but I remembered them and when other things inside the cult got worse for me, those little seeds flourished and grew and contributed to my departure.

DM by promoting (criticising) Panorama is helping his "parishoners" to leave one day! :happydance: And putting off new "bodies" entering the "shop"! :happydance:

Back to cramming on LRH's HCO policy on entheta for your Davey!
 

Tiger Lily

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If any "parishoners" watch this - the best outcome for the CofS that would be achieved would be that the "parishoners" now know, if they didn't already, that their "religion" is controversial! The worst outcome would be planted seeds of doubt as to why their Church is mired in so much controversy and seeds of doubt about LRH's explanation that it is caused by the "merchants of Chaos".

LRH specifically advised to not show "entheta" to scientology members, to not promote the "enemy" line. Looks like DM, in his desperation, has forgotten that.

If his intention was to reach the wider non-scn public, well in the same way he is promoting "entheta" that will put people off joining his cult.

When I was a "slave" little seeds of doubt were planted by knowing books like "The Mind Benders" were out there, reading the Readers Digest article about the CofS splitting up families, knowing "Nibs" was a critic, etc.

None of these were enough to cause me to leave, but I remembered them and when other things inside the cult got worse for me, those little seeds flourished and grew and contributed to my departure.

DM by promoting (criticising) Panorama is helping his "parishoners" to leave one day! :happydance: And putting off new "bodies" entering the "shop"! :happydance:

Back to cramming on LRH's HCO policy on entheta for your Davey!

You are right -- I remember at one time asking why CofS didn't respond to critics and being told that you didn't put "entheta" on the "powerful" comm lines of the church because that validates it. . . Scientologists too busy clearing the planet to let such trivialities distract them and that the SP's would wither away if we didn't "feed" them or give them power.

I'd be curious to know if they are showing that to current Scientologists at Orgs or if it is only intended for "handling" the wogs out there (maybe the reason they broadcast that at such low "tone levels". . . . because that's where the general unenlightened public is. . . . :eyeroll:)
 

Scn.Hun

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Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way

Would like to see the body thats supposedly Mrs. Rinder attached to the swollen arm.

It seems that was really her arm. Even Mike Rinder saw it. According to him:
"I have no idea how her arm was grazed, Jenny Linson might have bitten her in the throws of her frothing insanity for all I know."
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/miscavige-meltdown/

I made some screenshots of the video for the people who didn't want to wach it. At the end you find links to the HiRes version of the pictures.
Let see.
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Mike Rinder was very skinny and sleepy in 2007. :ohmy:

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Mike Rinder is a very bad person. He drank a Bud Light at least once. :D

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Marty Rathbun was also bad. He caused the greatest catastrophes in the church history. After 26 years they had enough of it! :D

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Marty Rathbun was also drunk at least once. He even disturbed peace. Terrible!!!! :D

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The CofS bought the picture of SP's on the London Eye. Why????? :confused2:

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7 members of the CofS harrassed Rinder and his girlfriend in Florida.

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Battery Complaint

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Cathy's wound and the Emergency Medical Report
The only thing I can read on the report is her name, that she lives in Los Angeles, California, 6331 Hollywood Blvd (Church of Scientology International), and her birthdate: 12/27/1953

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Poor Cathy. :bigcry:

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The parts I could read:
Boris Zaks, MD, Inc.
435 N. Roxbury Drive
Suite 408
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
310-552-3376

May 6, 2010

"I am a Board-Certified Dermatologist practicing in Beverly Hills,
California. I am writing to ..... the office ... Cathy Rinder
at my Dermatology office yesterday.

Mrs Rinder reported to me that she was injured by her husband
twelve days ago in Clearwater, Florida. She ... that he violently grapped
her upper extremities resulting in .... ..... wounds. She was
treated by the paramedics with topical antibiotics and .... ...

Yesterday, she presented to my office for an .... . The wound
on the left upper extremity shown scattered, ... .... (.....)
The laceration on the right upper extremity, which is ..... with the
domestic violence injury, is still readily apparent. The ... of the wound
appears to have improved by approximately 50% ..... with the .....
she showed me from the original injury date. ..., the wound is still
moderately tender to touch and is surrounded by ...... . It did .... appear
consistent with human bite injury. In summary, the ....... of the
patien's injury is consistent with the her description of the ......

I started a three-day course of oral antibiotics (..........) ...
......

Boris Zaks has a website: www.beverlyhillsdermatology.com
Is he a Scientologist?

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John Sweeney was videod by a PI. I thought that Tommy Davis denied using PI's and making videos of him!!!????

It seems that Mike and Marty are angels. According to Hubbard:
"This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966
Are these the only things they could find on Mike and Marty? They drink sometimes alcohol????

The wounds of Cathy could be caused by anyone. CofS takes cameras to everywhere they record everything, I am sure if Mike did that they would have put it in their video, but they didn't. I'd like to see that video once, the audio recording was also great. :)

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Sharone Stainforth

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Ok. I am no expert, but the injured blow up looks more consistant with a burn, than a bite. Or some kind of skin allergy, dermatitus or the such like. As I previously said. I would like to see Mike Rinders wifes body attached to the arm.

In the past, I have had a bite, a nasty bite and it left teeth marks. I don't see any teeth marks. In the past I have also seen grip marks, they do not coincide with what looks like a huge blister, or chronic dermatitus or some such wound.

Whatever the injury, I don't buy it.

As you all know I am not a fan of Mike Rinder, that has nothing to do with trying to get even with him or being nasty towards him, it may seem that way to some people. I have posted the video of him, repeatedly, at the IAS event telling the scientologists in 2004 of all the hyped up 'look what we have accomplished' to further LRHs goal in that of bringing LRH tech to the entire world. This is how he operated as a scientologist. This is what scientology is all about.

I have tried till I am blue in the face to understand why people behave the way the do, when under the influence of cult thinking. I do parcially understand, but when you have had your entire life ripped out from underneath you at the age of 12, when you watch scientology spokespersons stand there and tell bald faced lies on both national and international TV and then when the reverse process is carried out on them, they are the big guys, they are the ones we should all have so much sympathy and compassion for. The same guys that for years have condoned this shit, that is why I am angry. It didn't matter when it happened to the little people, the children who could not stand up for themselves, because they were afraid for their lives.

But NO, we are talking top executives here, people who should have known better. Where are the apologies for making childrens lives a living hell? Where are the apologies for all the families that were disconnected over the years? Where are the apologies for covering up the death of Susan Meister? Where are the apologies for the sexual abuse that was perpetuated against Tommy Gormans wife. Where are the apologies ?

The only really true apologies I have seen for all the lies, bullshit and justifications for all this have come from Gary Weber, Hana Eltringham and some alias who call themselves Div6.

Why is it in this world we live in, if you have money and power, you can reak havoc in peoples lives and no one gives a shit, unless of course you are the top of the muck heap.
 
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Smurf

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It seems that was really her arm. Even Mike Rinder saw it. According to him:

I made some screenshots of the video for the people who didn't want to wach it.
Let see.
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Mike Rinder was very skinny and sleepy in 2007. :ohmy:

LOL. Standing behind Jan Eastgate... as usual... Rick Moxon.

Dermatologist Boris Zaks is not a Scientologist. But, he treats alot of celebrities with skin issues.. he probably treated a Scientologist actress in the past...
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Grande CoolAiduccino anyone?


Also notable: In background, Jan Eastgate doing tone scale drills. Pictured here, she is successfully mocking up a defiant frog in sad effect.
 
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freethinker

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These "wrecks of men" who are such coniving liars and losers warrant a 25 minute expose documentary from the church.

Why, if they are so insignificant and such obvious liars?

The answer - The church is lying and trying to cover up by use of slander and bogus reporting of their own.

Keep it up, your digging a very deep hole with MISCAVIGE as your taskmaster.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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These "wrecks of men" who are such coniving liars and losers warrant a 25 minute expose documentary from the church.Why, if they are so insignificant and such obvious liars?The answer - The church is lying and trying to cover up by use of slander and bogus reporting of their own.

Keep it up, your digging a very deep hole with MISCAVIGE as your taskmaster.

....and the award for "BEST CULT LEADER TO KEEP ON POST IF YOU WANT THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY TO BE EXPOSED AND SHATTERED" goes to David Miscavige.
 

RolandRB

Rest in Peace
Also note, I clicked the "freedommag" link and my computer slowed way down - I did a "delete all" and it had quite a bit of stuff to get rid of... unusual, since I had just cleaned up all history, cookies, tem files and stuff yesterday...

Just sayin'... :confused2:

EP

Hubby been at the porn again?
 

Kookaburra

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So is there a you tube copy of the Freedom mag video response that we can watch without endangering our computers or our files?
 
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