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Veda

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Hi folks,
I am former cosmod staff, 1975-83. I would love to communicate with others like me. Way too long a story for the first post but I will be more forthcoming in the future.

Don't know anyone from old cosmod staff, so can't be of assistance there.

Cosmod was run by Martin Samuels wasn't it?

Did staff have any contact with Samuels? IIRC, he was declared about the time you were.

He did an interview in 1985 which might be interesting to you if you haven't already seen it.
 

SPsince83

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Yes, Martin Samuels ran cosmod. His declare was unbelievable at the time. Martin, by any measure, was the most successful mission holder ever. We won the birthday game every year. He was gang banged at the Mission Holder's conference by the Finance Police and eventually declared. The week before, Martin, Kingsley Wimbush of Stevens Creek and Bent Corydon of Riverside brought in nearly 500,000. All three are now declared.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Yes, Martin Samuels ran cosmod. His declare was unbelievable at the time. Martin, by any measure, was the most successful mission holder ever. We won the birthday game every year. He was gang banged at the Mission Holder's conference by the Finance Police and eventually declared. The week before, Martin, Kingsley Wimbush of Stevens Creek and Bent Corydon of Riverside brought in nearly 500,000. All three are now declared.

Have you read Corydon's book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?'

Around early 1984 I spoke with Wimbush and he admitted that the "SP" to whom Scientology was "PTS" was L. Ron Hubbard.

Oddly enough, Robert Kaufman, author of the original (early 1970s) 'Inside Scientology' book, had the same realization over ten years earlier.
 

xwc

Patron with Honors
Hi SPSince83 ... I left COSMOD right before you got there and headed on to FCDC. You'll find lots of folks here from both places, and they'll probably contact you. Or do a search for COSMOD and you'll turn up a lot of posts. And we did have contact with Marty. In fact, to join staff you had to complete your Life Repair, get your HSDC [Hubbard Standard Dianetics Counselor] (fully interned) AND have an interview with Marty. I was out in late 75, but I'm sure there are lots of folks you knew who are on this site.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Hi SPsince83,

''Warm and gentle'' welcome to you! :unsure::yes:

You are at the right place to get understanding and find old friends.
Enjoy here!

Looking forward to read more!

:wave:
 

SPsince83

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Haven't read Corydon's book. It was Barefaced Messiah and A Piece of Blue Sky that finally got me the nerve to read OTIII. That was what convinced me that after 20yrs out I would never go back. That was when I KNEW it was a fraud all along. I DID get sick from reading it, but not pneumonia. I had violent projectile nausea from the magnitude of the fraud. No WONDER all the OTs weren't OT. There's no such thing as OT and every "OT" fucking well knows it deep down.
 

SPsince83

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Hi SPSince83 ... I left COSMOD right before you got there and headed on to FCDC. You'll find lots of folks here from both places, and they'll probably contact you. Or do a search for COSMOD and you'll turn up a lot of posts. And we did have contact with Marty. In fact, to join staff you had to complete your Life Repair, get your HSDC [Hubbard Standard Dianetics Counselor] (fully interned) AND have an interview with Marty. I was out in late 75, but I'm sure there are lots of folks you knew who are on this site.

I was public in Sac starting in March 75. Went on staff at Delphi in Sept then to SF in Dec 79.
 

Veda

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Haven't read Corydon's book. It was Barefaced Messiah and A Piece of Blue Sky that finally got me the nerve to read OTIII. That was what convinced me that after 20yrs out I would never go back. That was when I KNEW it was a fraud all along. I DID get sick from reading it, but not pneumonia. I had violent projectile nausea from the magnitude of the fraud. No WONDER all the OTs weren't OT. There's no such thing as OT and every "OT" fucking well knows it deep down.

Then you probably haven't seen this.

From a 1985 interview of Martin Samuels, former Mission Holder, and founder of the Delphian School, from the 'Reflections' chapter of the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?' http://www.amazon.com/reader/0942637577?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pt :


"Hubbard operated according to a couple of key patterns.

The first pattern involved basically decent well intentioned people... no one was able to rise in the organization to a point of any real proximity to him, without being attacked and vilified...

And of course the next person thinks he or she is immune...

The next pattern: It's reap and rape. Hubbard would let the reins loose. He'd let people believe they really could get on with it... He'd let people believe they really could prosper to the full extent of their own ability, and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

And, with that kind of freedom, prosperity does occur, Inevitably, though, he'd come along and rape and pillage and rip off and take what had been produced. The most dramatic example of this was '82, '83, when he 'raped' his most decent people in management along with the mission holders, and looted the entire mission network.

And look at this pattern... He surrounded himself with absolute hooligans as 'managers'; guys who beat the shit out of people. This man, who 'is this OT, the author of Science of Survival, completely able to predict human behavior', surrounded himself with ruthless people - like Miscavige - who got there because they emulated Hubbard's savagery. They emulated his total willingness to completely break, use, and discard another person.

And then after their hands were so bloody - and the only reason their hands were bloody was that they were doing what Hubbard wanted - when it finally started to get to the point where it couldn't be tolerated by people anymore, Hubbard wiped them out. Then he said. 'My God! I didn't know!' Scapegoat. He even did that to his own wife, who went to jail in his place...

But the thing that's amazing, and to me terrifying, is the characteristic of the mind, my mind, your mind, and apparently many other people's minds, where I could buy this horseshit, where I could participate in it."


________​


From the hard bound third edition of 'Messiah or Madman?'. An excerpt from its book flap material:

"I have high hopes of smashing my name
into history so violently that it will take a
legendary form even if all the books are
destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as
I am concerned. Things which stand too
consistently in my way make me nervous.
It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years
Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which
gives some idea of the magnitude of my
attempt. And all this boils and froths inside
my head...
"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the
dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis
Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know
they're maligning some very intelligent
gentlemen."

L. Ron Hubbard wrote these words in a letter to
his first wife in 1938.

In 1950 he wrote the bestseller 'Dianetics, the
Modern Science of Mental Health. This inspired a
layman oriented mental health movement which,
ultimately, developed into Scientology, the most
profitable of the money-making new religions.

Hubbard's early Dianetic and Scientology writings
borrow freely from Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and
the founder of General Semantics, Alfred Korzybski.

And P.T. Barnum appears to have been an inspiration.

Hubbard also took much from the writings of Aleister
Crowley - self-proclaimed "Beast 666." This is a source
of embarrassment for the Scientology Church, which
is determined to achieve broad public acceptance.

In the 1960s Hubbard incorporated Brainwashing
methodologies into the subject. He established the
"Fair Game Policy" which states that an "enemy" of
Scientology "may be deprived of property or injured
by any means by any Scientologist, without
discipline of that Scientologist. May be tricked,
sued, lied to or destroyed."

He also became the Commodore of his own private
navy, and began to refer to himself as "Source."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? exposes
as never before the dark side of Scientology, yet
contains an in-depth examination of the potential
positives of the subject and their actual origins.
 

SPsince83

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Veda: I don't know how to do snips and stuff yet and I didn't want to quote your whole post. I have seen many excerpts from Corydon, including those, but thanks.
 

Gib

Crusader
Veda: I don't know how to do snips and stuff yet and I didn't want to quote your whole post. I have seen many excerpts from Corydon, including those, but thanks.

There is a COSMOD slideshow imbedded here in ESMB,

but I can't find it. Maybe somebody else can.

It shows pics of robert reifer, lynn irons, bob laufer, etc.
 

Miss Ellie

Miss Ellie
Welcome!

I was "long time gone" and did not think I "needed" any of the outie stuff.

I did, do & it has helped me understand more about what I lived/experienced. I do not feel alone - funny thing is while in I always felt "alone" in thinking it was all bullshit.

So what ever you need or are looking for I hope you find it in our fine community.

If not you will find us at least entertaining, funny as hell, down right c-r-a-z-y... and FUN!

:happydance: :eyeroll: :happydance: :eyeroll:
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Not hardly scary, thanks. I decided to come out because I found on a search engine that my former lover in Scn had died. The same search engine led me to former friends in Scn. The lack of compassion and information I got from them was appalling. Oh well, that's what I get for being such a raging suppressive.

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I am so sorry about your loss and how you found out about it. Scientology sucks.

This is what I was told by the former HAS of our mission: she died ABOUT 15 years ago. She was on OTVIII and spiritually in good shape. SHE WAS 45 YEARS OLD AND DIED OF CANCER. What a crock of shit. Couldn't even give me the year.

This thread below may be of help in understanding the cancer issue

MICHEL - CANCER AND SUICIDE ON SOLO NOTS
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16796-MICHEL-CANCER-AND-SUICIDE-ON-SOLO-NOTS
 

SPsince83

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There is a COSMOD slideshow imbedded here in ESMB,

but I can't find it. Maybe somebody else can.

It shows pics of robert reifer, lynn irons, bob laufer, etc.

I was chairman of a Comm Ev on Lynn Irons. I audited for Lauffer. I was at Delphi and SF from 75-83
 

SPsince83

Gold Meritorious Patron
https://youtu.be/FvygRbzuxUg


We can haz story soon please?

:drama:


It's such a long twisted story with many nooks and crannys. I don't quite know where to begin. The actual beginning is this: I had just been discharged from the Navy. I was selling cars and failing badly. One day I was in the record store and a cute girl with no bra started talking to me. It didn't take much convincing to go to the scn center with her. She sang "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" all the way there. She handed me off to an even cuter girl who hit me with 2D fear as a ruin. I signed up.


To be continued............
 

The_Fixer

Class Clown
Even my 24 yo daughter cracks up at that movie, she absolutely loves it! As well as "Robin Hood, Men in Tights"....
 
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