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I.A., I'm not offended and in fact believe you call them like you see them, just
as I do. Also you've gone further in less time than myself.
Audited NOTS was not fucked up by DM until the early nineties I have from a
good source. There are FZ people that know how to fix these things, and I
either know them, or can easily track them down.
Of course one might reasonably think I have no credentials here, BUT I've
seen fabulous wins in some early enough, but not too early.
Additionally one might consider the Original OT levels 4-8 that many have had
Real OT wins from, available to read if you can find the early "Advance" mag
issues.
I'll just throw it all out here, everything else:
The "L" Rundowns done with certain guys in the FZ.
Knowledgism is also available which patched many of the holes in Hubbard's
work. The best terminal their to comm to is RogerB of this board.
I can certainly recommend his long post "On The Subject of Knowledgism">
It is excellent and a VERY interesting read.
So, I.A., I like your posts, which show some intelligence and goodness, but
even if upset, throwing out the "baby with the bath water" might not be the
best policy.
One needs to keep in mind that DM started his Sabotage of the whole Bridge
from the bottom to the top in 1982 and as we have let this Super SP have
free reign for this long, well you get the idea.
Hubbard didn't write the whole Bridge, so there are gems of workable tech out
there. My best advice would be to find an old timer who really KNOWS the
true workable Tech pieces and sit down and talk with them, even if you have
to go afar to do it.
RogerB and some of these Old timers will be at the FZ Convention in Pasadena
California this weekend and it would be well worth while to get a ticket and
get there. I saw some of these guys in May at the FZ party in L.A. and it was
very valuable.
On the other hand I.A., if you wanted to just chuck the whole thing I get it.
Now I don't mean to offend anybody here but I find it very hard to give any validity to the tech.
Especially having gone to OTV myself.
I can not argue about the old days and if it was different, and sure there are a lot of "SPs" around but Ron's actions many many of them fall into "SP" type actions in my opinion.
I kind of see it like this. If Hitler showed some compassion in his life to someone, maybe he helped a few people out. Does that make him a good man and worthy of follow?
I don't think so. In the beginning many had not gotten to the end of the Bridge. So the mystery of what it holds was massive but today many have reached as far as they can go and have turned and looked back and gotten off the Bridge unhappy with the end result.
I can not see how the tech outside of the Churches would achieve more.
Ron himself with his bad health, heart attacks, strokes, anger, impatience,cruelty shows nothing in his actions and that follow what he dictates in his scientology teachings.
It's like someone standing up and saying I am a Professor at Law and when everyone finds out he really was not and actually did not finish school they still believe in his writings on Law and continue to teach it its crazy.
Sorry Free Zoners buts thats how I see it guys.
I.A., I'm not offended and in fact believe you call them like you see them, just
as I do. Also you've gone further in less time than myself.
Audited NOTS was not fucked up by DM until the early nineties I have from a
good source. There are FZ people that know how to fix these things, and I
either know them, or can easily track them down.
Of course one might reasonably think I have no credentials here, BUT I've
seen fabulous wins in some early enough, but not too early.
Additionally one might consider the Original OT levels 4-8 that many have had
Real OT wins from, available to read if you can find the early "Advance" mag
issues.
I'll just throw it all out here, everything else:
The "L" Rundowns done with certain guys in the FZ.
Knowledgism is also available which patched many of the holes in Hubbard's
work. The best terminal their to comm to is RogerB of this board.
I can certainly recommend his long post "On The Subject of Knowledgism">
It is excellent and a VERY interesting read.
So, I.A., I like your posts, which show some intelligence and goodness, but
even if upset, throwing out the "baby with the bath water" might not be the
best policy.
One needs to keep in mind that DM started his Sabotage of the whole Bridge
from the bottom to the top in 1982 and as we have let this Super SP have
free reign for this long, well you get the idea.
Hubbard didn't write the whole Bridge, so there are gems of workable tech out
there. My best advice would be to find an old timer who really KNOWS the
true workable Tech pieces and sit down and talk with them, even if you have
to go afar to do it.
RogerB and some of these Old timers will be at the FZ Convention in Pasadena
California this weekend and it would be well worth while to get a ticket and
get there. I saw some of these guys in May at the FZ party in L.A. and it was
very valuable.
On the other hand I.A., if you wanted to just chuck the whole thing I get it.