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cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
I found this oldie but goodie. Any veterans have more?

From [email protected] Sat Sep 05 15:06:05 1998
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: David Miscavige’s Rise to Corruption (or: Ding Dong the King is Dead)
From: "Jesse Prince" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:06:05 -0400

The following is an account of my opinion based on eye witness events and
secret meetings I either witnessed or actively participated in while I was in the inner sanctum of the cult known as "The Church of Scientology." I write this in an effort to provide an insight into the truth of the actual motives and agenda of Scientology, which is no religion at all.

On Thursday, August 20, 1998, I attended a hearing at 8:30 a.m. in U.S.
District Court in Denver, Colorado. I had been in deposition all day the day before. Scientology was deposing me, supposedly concerning the declaration I had
filed in the FACTNet case, but in fact I had been asked very few questions that
related in any way to the FACTNet copyright case. Most of the deposition had
concerned my personal history, much of which had been culled from my pc
folders. It was obvious to me that they were using the deposition to gather
intelligence information about me, which they would then use to discredit me. But I remained courteous and answered all of their questions as well as I could. I have nothing to hide. I am not ashamed of anything I’ve done in my life.

The issues before the magistrate were twofold. One was a letter which
Lawrence Wollersheim’s attorney Dan Leipold had sent to Scientology attorney Samuel Rosen, in which Dan promised to turn the entire transcript of my deposition over to Ken Dandar, the attorney for Lisa McPherson’s estate, if Rosen dared to bring up any information from my confidential pc folders. The other issue was the length of time Scientology would be allowed to keep me in deposition. Dan and my attorney Ford Greene wanted to limit the amount of time they could keep me; Scientology wanted unlimited access to me.

So I am sitting in the courtroom next to my friend Stacy Young, who is there
as a director of FACTNet. Suddenly I hear Samuel Rosen say: "Your honor, the
witness they are bringing into this case, Jesse Prince, was second in
command of the Church of Scientology. He signed a confidential non-disclosure agreement not to divulge any information he obtained as a result of his being second in command of Scientology."

Rosen continued to do his best to persuade the magistrate not to allow Dan
to send the deposition transcript to the McPherson case (the outcome was that
the magistrate told Dan not to send the transcripts without getting his OK
first, and, by the way, we convinced the magistrate not to allow them to depose me past noon of the following day).

But I sat there stunned that I had just heard Scientology admit, on the
record, that I was second in command of Scientology. For me, that was the high point of the entire deposition experience.

Now let’s go back in time to an afternoon in the late summer of 1984. I am
sitting in one of many legal/litigation meetings at Author Services, Inc.,
or ASI. I am in RTC, a nonprofit religious corporation which ostensibly has
absolutely nothing to do with ASI, a for-profit corporation. But David
Miscavige finds it convenient at the moment to be the Chairman of the Board of ASI, and, since David Miscavige runs Scientology (no matter where he places himself corporately), he can order all of us to meet wherever and whenever he wants us to.

The subject of this particular meeting concerns the LRH probate case in
Riverside, California, and, as always, more corporate "sort-out." Lawyers
have advised that there is still too much evidence to prove that LRH is
incompetent to manage his own affairs. This is crucial, since the case has been brought by LRH’s son Nibbs, who has claimed that LRH is incompetent to manage his own affairs and that his estate is being stolen by the Church of Scientology
under David Miscavige’s leadership. Nibbs is hoping to take over LRH’s assets if
he can prove that LRH is incompetent. So this is a very serious threat.

LRH has repeatedly said he wants different lawyers to represent him, and
that he wants different legal advice on how to win this case against Nibbs. But DM has decided that the lawyers LRH already has (and who were chosen, of course, by DM) are the best possible legal counsel. LRH specifically doesn’t like the fact that these attorneys are advising him to back away from managing Scientology’s affairs. Part of the reason for this is that DM feels (and has told the attorneys) that LRH is losing his grip on reality.

In truth, DM was not the only one who knew that LRH was an old man past his
prime, with no real "new ideas" or "brilliant revelations" for quite some
time. All he could do was say the same thing, over and over: "There are more BTs! Many more than people realize!" Hubbard really was a bit senile at the end
there his brain pretty well fried by a wide range of drugs which he used for his
"research" -- and this scared the hell out of his top messengers and others
near him.

For many years, LRH's top aide, Pat Broeker, and his wife, Annie Broeker,
looked after the daily care of LRH. Pat was the financial conduit between LRH and the vast reserves of liquid cash mounting in the multiple corporations of
Scientology which LRH always had at his disposal. David Miscavige would be
called by Pat to bring hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in cash
in briefcases to cover "basic expenses" for LRH and his small crew of four
staff.
Often the prearranged meeting place was near Las Vegas. On many of these
occasions, Pat and Dave would go to a casino and gamble away thousands of
dollars of LRH's money, just hanging out having a good time together.

But as LRH felt his grasp on the Scientology empire weakening, he became
extremely suspicious of Dave and ordered me to give him a security check to
see if Dave was trying to prevent LRH from having his way with the church as he
was used to having. Basically, LRH was upset that he could not simply romp from
one fake corporation to another, wreaking havoc in his wake, as he had always
done. And he was being advised by attorneys whom Dave had hired that in order to
protect his money, he should disappear for a while. All of these
circumstances added up for LRH, and he was not at all sure he could trust DM. He was afraid DM was trying to take over. Sure, he had practically raised Dave from a pup, but still, who could be trusted in this business?

So I was ordered to sec check DM to determine his real motives for passing
along legal advice that he back off from his own church. When I walked into Dave’s office he was crying like a child who had taken a crap in his pants and now stank to high heaven. Dave swore up and down to me that he was only
following LRH’s own orders to get an "All Clear" -- meaning to get LRH dismissed from all the outstanding litigation -- so that LRH could travel freely again, without fear of subpoenas or worse.

LRH had been in hiding, not only from the public but also from 95 percent of
all his staff, for the last fifteen to twenty years anyway. Dave was extremely
indignant at being asked such incriminating questions, but because of the
questions I was asking him, he was fairly certain that LRH would soon assign
him to the RPF (the Rehabilitation Project Force, Scientology’s political
prison).

In the security check Dave made sure he told me about the trips to the
casinos, the heavy drinking and the women he and Pat had enjoyed together. Dave
freely confessed his sins and Pat Broeker’s sins as well. He said if he was going to go down, he was going to make sure Pat Broeker went down as well. He was very critical of Pat, saying he had a long history of alcohol abuse and
recklessly spending LRH's money. Of course, the person who received the report of Dave’s sec check was Pat Broeker. So it didn’t surprise me a bit when Dave and Pat suddenly became best buddies again. I seriously doubt that anything but
reports full of glowing praise for Dave ever went to LRH. In retrospect I realize both Pat Broeker and David Miscavige had an interest in keeping the status quo with LRH, since both of them had dreams of one day being the new dictator of Scientology once the current Ding Dong king was dead.

LRH went on spending his millions freely on property and "research" (all
this really meant was that he was buying more and more drugs for himself) and
buying exotic animals like buffalo, llamas, swans and peacocks at the ranch at
Creston.

LRH seemed resigned to follow the legal advice of Dave’s lawyers and stayed
away from Scientology. However, he made it known that he was still very salty
about the whole deal and refused to make contact as he had done in the past.

About a year and a half later he became very ill.

I will continue this story very soon. It is not my intention to post a book
on this newsgroup all at one time. However, I will say this: What I am relating
to you here will never cost you a dime. It will always be free on the internet.
I am not a writer, nor am I trying to be. (And here is a good place to say
thanks to Stacy for being my editor -- she’s making sure my posts to you are
readable!) If I could have anything I wanted in return for exposing the true nature of the inner workings of Scientology, I would ask its current members and staff to run away as fast as possible to recover their lives. That’s all I want.

Part of the agreement we all made when we became cult slaves was to turn our
backs on our friends and family, so I know that many people literally have
no place to go if they leave Scientology, particularly the Sea Org. But there
are people working to resolve this problem. This will change soon.

Respectfully Submitted,

Jesse Prince
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Who supplied LRH with his drugs?

I doubt he was out scoring for himself. Denk?

Dunno. If Denk left any memoirs I haven't heard of them, nor has anyone put online "Hubbard & Denk stories" that I know of. All I can offer on the subject is the one tiny snippet that I saw him professionally in 2001 the day I had a stroke (or two) and he doctored well enough, but looked horrible (black and massy). In Scn terms, that means overts and withholds, but they could be in any area, not necessarily connected with LRH. Although he did supposedly disappear for a year after Hubbard crashed and burned.

Paul
 

dontscamme

Patron Meritorious
Thanks for posting that, cakemaker.

I had not previously read anything from Jesse Prince, and it fills in a few more gaps in understanding LRH's last years and DM's rise to cult leader.

If current CoS members were to read and believe that post, it would probably hit them like a ton of bricks. :yes:

But of course they would call it a pack of lies by an apostate, just like all the others.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
So it's ok for Jesse to divulge what came up in DM's sec check? Eye for an eye, I guess.

If it was a "Not Auditing You" sec check, which would have been been appropriate in the circumstances, then that point would not have applied. Agreed Jesse is revealing it to the world instead of the CofS revealing it to the world, but let's not be too picky about that.

Paul
 

olska

Silver Meritorious Patron
Dr. Denk was my personal physician -- always thought he was a bit weird but a pretty good doc when I needed one -- he would take the time to have a real conversation with you, wasn't too expensive for someone without insurance coverage, etc. Fortunately I rarely needed a doc so didn't see that much of him.

But this bothers me:

Denk was my age -- too young to die when he did, and I seem to recall the cause of death was stomach cancer/bleeding ulcer, something like that.

Now recently I read here on ESMB of a "Guardian's Office plot" to encourage someone's natural inclination toward heavy drinking and get some big-name scio to drink himself to death (was it John McMasters, the first clear?).

So now I wonder if Denk was "encouraged" to wreck his own health in some way that lead to his early death? He smoked, don't know if he drank or had any other vices.

No doubt Denk knew A LOT (!!) about LRH's treatment, cause of death, etc. and probably had much "inside info" about who was around doing what during LRH's "last days." Maybe he was pressured to bend the rules? maybe he got tired of keeping quiet about some of the details ....

Anyone know anything about this?
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Dr. Denk was my personal physician -- always thought he was a bit weird but a pretty good doc when I needed one -- he would take the time to have a real conversation with you, wasn't too expensive for someone without insurance coverage, etc. Fortunately I rarely needed a doc so didn't see that much of him.

But this bothers me:

Denk was my age -- too young to die when he did, and I seem to recall the cause of death was stomach cancer/bleeding ulcer, something like that.

Now recently I read here on ESMB of a "Guardian's Office plot" to encourage someone's natural inclination toward heavy drinking and get some big-name scio to drink himself to death (was it John McMasters, the first clear?).

So now I wonder if Denk was "encouraged" to wreck his own health in some way that lead to his early death? He smoked, don't know if he drank or had any other vices.

No doubt Denk knew A LOT (!!) about LRH's treatment, cause of death, etc. and probably had much "inside info" about who was around doing what during LRH's "last days." Maybe he was pressured to bend the rules? maybe he got tired of keeping quiet about some of the details ....

Anyone know anything about this?


You could be right.

Kind of the height of irony that a doctor would wreck his health for an early death. :no:

Not to mention that he was a doctor and he smoked.

Good lord.
 

cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
No doubt Denk knew A LOT (!!) about LRH's treatment, cause of death, etc. and probably had much "inside info" about who was around doing what during LRH's "last days." Maybe he was pressured to bend the rules? maybe he got tired of keeping quiet about some of the details ....

Didn't he work with Dr. Megan Shields?

Here are a couple of links about his involvement at the time of LRH's death.

http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/deathoflrh/rvy-death.html
http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/1986.htm
 

knn

Patron Meritorious
In truth, DM was not the only one who knew that LRH was an old man past his prime, with no real "new ideas" or "brilliant revelations" for quite some time. All he could do was say the same thing, over and over: "There are more BTs! Many more than people realize!" Hubbard really was a bit senile at the end there his brain pretty well fried by a wide range of drugs which he used for his "research" -- and this scared the hell out of his top messengers and others near him.
The problem with Jesse Prince is that it's all hearsay about Hubbard and very little facts.

As you know Hubbard at that time was about to publish Mission Earth thus he was far from "senile" or "brain pretty well fried". It's pure hate speculation on Jesse's part. I would only accept Broeker's statements about Hubbard's state, but unfortunately Broeker is unavailable. I hope when Miscavige gets kicked out then Broeker can resurface and tell us juice.
 

Kookaburra

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for posting that, cakemaker.

I had not previously read anything from Jesse Prince, and it fills in a few more gaps in understanding LRH's last years and DM's rise to cult leader.

If current CoS members were to read and believe that post, it would probably hit them like a ton of bricks. :yes:

But of course they would call it a pack of lies by an apostate, just like all the others.

Well, you have plenty of enlightening reading ahead of you. Jesse Prince has had plenty to say. Here's a start.

Jesse Prince Tapes
 

cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
The problem with Jesse Prince is that it's all hearsay about Hubbard and very little facts.

As you know Hubbard at that time was about to publish Mission Earth thus he was far from "senile" or "brain pretty well fried". It's pure hate speculation on Jesse's part. I would only accept Broeker's statements about Hubbard's state, but unfortunately Broeker is unavailable. I hope when Miscavige gets kicked out then Broeker can resurface and tell us juice.

Actually, Mission Earth was not all written by Hubbard.
The behind-the-scenes story is at http://www.lermanet.com/cos/MissionEarth.htm
I agree that Jesse's story has to be taken with a grain of salt until it's corroborated.
Didn't somebody locate Pat Broeker? I seem to remember some post in another forum where someone traced him to Cheyenne, Wyoming through zabasearch? Maybe Marty or Larry can shed some light on this.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Didn't somebody locate Pat Broeker? I seem to remember some post in another forum where someone traced him to Cheyenne, Wyoming through zabasearch? Maybe Marty or Larry can shed some light on this.

There is someone with his exact name and middle initial there. There seem to be only two "Patrick D. Broeker"s listed in the US, both aged 61, the other in Clearwater, FL! Ahem. Could well be the same guy. There's a phone number given. . . .

Paul
 
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