Brian Culkin's $350,000 refund and the Garcia Case

[NoName]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

To give him the benefit of the doubt, is he just gun shy because Debbie Cook got sued? She certainly got the best of the cult, but for people who can't afford someone like Jeffrey the prospect of being sued could be frightening.

 

[Sindy]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

To give him the benefit of the doubt, is he just gun shy because Debbie Cook got sued? She certainly got the best of the cult, but for people who can't afford someone like Jeffrey the prospect of being sued could be frightening.

Sued for what? I don't understand.

 

[Purple Rain]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I'd imagine Brian Culkin is in shock about the consequences of his actions right now. I think he got played by the CofS. BIG TIME. I think we'll eventually find out more about how it all went down. Right now the room is full of smoke, once that settles we might learn more about it. I'm not making excuses for him but would need to know more about what actually went down. I may be seen as being Pollyanna about it that's what I see on a quick scan of the dox. I'm reluctant to tar and feather anyone for the simple crime of being stupid.

Well, I am angry about what he has done - the action - and I hope the case still turns out well despite that. I don't wish him to suffer, but unfortunately our actions do have consequences and sometimes we weigh that up wisely before we pursue a course of action and other times we don't. I agree that he is probably in shock and worse days are likely to come as he gets further caught up in the court proceedings.

I understand that there may have been reasons behind what he did, but I think Synthia of all people gave him every opportunity for a fair hearing. Not that the opportunity should necessarily expire, but he would be wise to take advantage of it, I think, if there are extenuating circumstances.

And if not, then like the rest of us, I guess you just have to reap what you sow.

It is nice that you can be balanced and objective about it, and always wise not to join in with the mob which is a lesson that I could learn myself.

I think it is indisputable that, whatever his reasons, it was a harmful action for the Garcias' lawsuit, and he could not have thought otherwise unless he was like six years old.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I'm reluctant to tar and feather anyone for the simple crime of being stupid.

How "stupid" to be paid $350,000 at no real cost to himself, but at great cost to numerous other people. I weep for him.

And while I'm not saying I agree with all or any of it, consider what this guy said: http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/10/sc...torneys-from-fraud-lawsuit/#comment-892821386

PreferToBeAnon2 • 26 minutes ago

Culkin was NOT naive. At the least, he got an earful from Rinder BEFORE this went down. At the most, he was an OSA plant trying to get info on the case Rinder was putting together. Paragraphs 12-14 of the Sarah Heller Declaration nail it. Rinder told Brian that he was jeopardizing the Garcia case and told him not to go to arbitration. He wasn't swayed in the moment by a silver-tongued $cientology serpent. He actually communicated with Rinder about it BEFOREHAND. I also suspect his attorney chatted with him about it. And, he also knew that there are at least 10 other folks who are working to file cases against the church. He participated in conference calls with them. Culkin knew exactly what he was doing. And he knew that doing the refund arbitration and doing a declaration could throw a wrench into it. That is why I actually think he might have been a spy.

I don't think he was stupid. I don't think he was conned. I don't think it was about the money--he could have filed the case and got his money--all while helping others to set precedent. I think he did precisely what he did with forethought. May he go into one of his pretzel poses and stay that way.

I also think it highly suspect that he asked David Love to take down the video. This was planned. He may or may not have been a spy when Tony did his article but OSA did get to him.
Those paragraphs to me also SCREAM that the arbitration settlement was offered because of the Garcia case--that the declaration was "bought." I don't understand why they would want this in their declaration... but hey... who the hell said that they make sense.

 

[JBWriter]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I haven't read any of the Dox yet, but my first response to your post is; Signed when? dated when? witnessed when? under what threat or coercion? Notarized when? Which of ANY this is FABRICATED? In other words, this brings to mind the fact that ANY and each SINGLE WORD and stated connection issued by the Cult needs to be gone over with a fine toothed comb, 'cause there are lies and or misdirection in there somewhere.

Since I posted, I've asked at least 100 additional questions (including the ones you've raised above ) about all of the docs posted by Mr. Ortega...for much the same reason as you've pointed out above. IMO, after having read/researched here and elsewhere, there is little to trust at face value when Co$ is involved - too many people have told too much truth (or tried to) about what this cult's done for me to ever accept their version of anything.

JB.

 

[Sindy]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

Brian wrote on Tony's blog:

People who know me, know fully where i stand on this issue. There is nothing in that declaration that was secret in any way, shape, or form.

I am truly sorry if I hurt or offended anyone on this blog.

I want nothing to do with Scientology, independent, the church anything.

I just wanted to move on with my life.

Again. I am incredibly upset by this and I feel extremely angry and upset. My hands are shaking typing this.

I never thought for a second I was selling anyone out. And if you put emotion aside and read it closely -- I hope you see the same thing.

-Brian

I would like to hear from his friends. Certainly they aren't gagged. It would be helpful to hear from someone willing to speak on his behalf. Geir possibly?

 

[Anonycat]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

How "stupid" to be paid $350,000 at no real cost to himself, but at great cost to numerous other people. I weep for him.

I don't understand - the person paid $350k over a year's time at no cost to himself?

 

[Sindy]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I don't understand - the person paid $350k over a year's time at no cost to himself?

Meaning it was selfish for him to take his money and run and not sacrifice a bit and cooperate with the existing lawsuit but instead throw other people under the bus.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

All I'm thinkin' is that from an outsider's perspective, it doesn't look all that very
easy or simple to get a few hours of "talk therapy" and maybe handle a few
personal problems in one's life.

Everything gets real complicated and out of hand in a hurry around modern day
Scientology. For any gain, there's ten new life-changing problems created.

This guy's a poster child for the current scene.

Truly boggles the mind.

 

[Anonycat]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

Meaning it was selfish for him to take his money and run and not sacrifice a bit and cooperate with the existing lawsuit but instead throw other people under the bus.

The cult is well experienced at buying people out. I have heard of this "Big Checkbook", and it just might work.

 

[TG1]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

Brian Culkin.

What a pussy.

TG1

 

[Anonycat]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

Brian Culkin.

What a pussy.

TG1

 

[PTS]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

Brian Culkin.

What a [STRIKE]pussy[/STRIKE] no talent ass clown.

TG1

Fixed it right up for ya

 

[Stat]

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[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I don't know that Brian did such a bad thing by settling.

1. If there is a problem with Bob Johnson now working with Babbitt on the case after spending years representing FSO, well that's not Brian's fault. If the org didn't know about the working relationship yet, they would have found out anyway, so it's better to get that cleared up immediately.

2. There are more people waiting in line behind Garcia with a lot more $ at stake than Brian, so in a dollar sense, he's small potatoes.

3. Brian dev-t'ed Mike Rinder. Big whoop! If Mike is out there being a wrangler for the lawyers, he has to know that everything he touches does not turn into gold - he's not OT after all.

4. Brian was only in a very short time, a couple years. Although the intensity level was high for him, it still isn't the decades and multi generational commitment many of us experienced, so it doesn't seem fair to me that I insist that he grasp the transference of my outrage to his own bosom. He's not Christ.

5. Think about the money for a minute. Let's say he got his whole $350k back. Had he not taken it, he would be waiting for an uncertain outcome to his case. Even if he won (or settled - a likelihood?), he'd be giving 40% or so to the lawyers, so there goes about 150k.

6. How much happier would I be if he ended up with an undisclosed settlement a la Debbie? Not much.

I'm glad he got out and got his money.

Garcia, on the other hand, has lots of Latin outrage! I love that. But if Babbitt gets past this speed bump and the case keeps moving forward, settlement offers might appear for Garcia too.

Then what? Are we going to start dumping on Garcia?

 

[Purple Rain]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I don't know that Brian did such a bad thing by settling.

1. If there is a problem with Bob Johnson now working with Babbitt on the case after spending years representing FSO, well that's not Brian's fault. If the org didn't know about the working relationship yet, they would have found out anyway, so it's better to get that cleared up immediately.

2. There are more people waiting in line behind Garcia with a lot more $ at stake than Brian, so in a dollar sense, he's small potatoes.

3. Brian dev-t'ed Mike Rinder. Big whoop! If Mike is out there being a wrangler for the lawyers, he has to know that everything he touches does not turn into gold - he's not OT after all.

4. Brian was only in a very short time, a couple years. Although the intensity level was high for him, it still isn't the decades and multi generational commitment many of us experienced, so it doesn't seem fair to me that I insist that he grasp a transference of my outrage to his own bosom. He's not Christ.

5. Think about the money for a minute. Let's say he got his whole $350k back. Had he not taken it, he would be waiting for an uncertain outcome to his case. Even if he won (or settled - a likelihood?), he'd be giving 40% or so to the lawyers, so there goes about 150k.

6. How much happier would I be if he ended up with an undisclosed settlement a la Debbie? Not much.

I'm glad he got out and got his money.

Garcia, on the other hand, has lots of Latin outrage! I love that. But if Babbitt gets past this speed bump and the case keeps moving forward, settlement offers might appear for Garcia too.

Then what? Are we going to start dumping on Garcia?

Nobody's upset that he settled. They're upset that he jeopardised somebody else's court case who he was supposed to be helping and supporting and who had offered to help him. So I don't know what that is in your book, but I would feel betrayed if my supposed ally went blabbing our strategy to the opposition.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

How did Brian jeopardize Garcia's case? And who says he was "supposed to be supporting and helping it?"

 

[Free Being Me]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

How did Brian jeopardize Garcia's case? And who says he was "supposed to be supporting and helping it?"

I would like to know as well please, I'm not familiar with the back story of what's happening here.

 

[Idle Morgue]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

I don't know that Brian did such a bad thing by settling.

1. If there is a problem with Bob Johnson now working with Babbitt on the case after spending years representing FSO, well that's not Brian's fault. If the org didn't know about the working relationship yet, they would have found out anyway, so it's better to get that cleared up immediately.

2. There are more people waiting in line behind Garcia with a lot more $ at stake than Brian, so in a dollar sense, he's small potatoes.

3. Brian dev-t'ed Mike Rinder. Big whoop! If Mike is out there being a wrangler for the lawyers, he has to know that everything he touches does not turn into gold - he's not OT after all.

4. Brian was only in a very short time, a couple years. Although the intensity level was high for him, it still isn't the decades and multi generational commitment many of us experienced, so it doesn't seem fair to me that I insist that he grasp the transference of my outrage to his own bosom. He's not Christ.

5. Think about the money for a minute. Let's say he got his whole $350k back. Had he not taken it, he would be waiting for an uncertain outcome to his case. Even if he won (or settled - a likelihood?), he'd be giving 40% or so to the lawyers, so there goes about 150k.

6. How much happier would I be if he ended up with an undisclosed settlement a la Debbie? Not much.

I'm glad he got out and got his money.

Garcia, on the other hand, has lots of Latin outrage! I love that. But if Babbitt gets past this speed bump and the case keeps moving forward, settlement offers might appear for Garcia too.

Then what? Are we going to start dumping on Garcia?

WTF? ^^^ Brian Culkin did more than get his money back - he pretended to be ex scientologist's friends while gathering information and giving it to the cult so he could get his money back.

Most of us here in wogworld call that a traitor. He has no integrity - but he claims to be the "enlightened one"! He has no back bone!

Think of the damage he did - allowing the scientology lawyers and David Miscavige to do this - betraying the Garcia's who are fighting for their lives - and all of those who could be harmed because this suit could potentially cripple scientology forever. This is a big deal - this suit is a big deal. I don't know how you see it as being okay - seriously dude!

I would have rather seen Garcia's settle and gagged than to see something like this - someone pretending to be anti-scientology and actually helping scientology in exchange for money to potentially cripple a lawsuit that would help so many people.

Any way you cut it - it is not okay and Brian Culkin has to live with himself. All the yoga poses in the world will not give him peace. All he had to do is to wait until the Garcia's won this suit - he used Marty and Mike and Tony to help himself. SCUM!

 

[Idle Morgue]

Re: $50,000 Extorted from Brian Culkin?

To give him the benefit of the doubt, is he just gun shy because Debbie Cook got sued? She certainly got the best of the cult, but for people who can't afford someone like Jeffrey the prospect of being sued could be frightening.

NoName - are you serious? Brian Culkin could have given Babbitt $2,500 and let Babbitt get his money back - he could have just waited like the rest of us who want our money back!

The Luis Garcia lawsuit is about FRAUD - and Scientology is a fraud. Would you like to see this change? What is up with you defending his traitor actions?