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QuietSP

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I've not logged in in a long time...

A friend in Brisbane has put out word that the local church of Scientology has been talking about putting a show on the local community TV station, and is interested in getting some interviews with people who've left CoS/Scientology/Dianetics/etc., and getting their perspectives on the Church. He'd also be interested in other people from around Australia (or even internationally - Tori Christman would be fantastic, but as there's no money to do this, anyone would have to be visiting).

No idea when this might go to air, but he will try to get it put on right after any show provided by the church or its members... More as an immediate counter than a preemptive move.

He wants people willing to sit in front of the camera, willing to show their documents/awards/etc., who are willing to tell their story without getting antagonistic/threatening toward CoS.
 
I've not logged in in a long time...

A friend in Brisbane has put out word that the local church of Scientology has been talking about putting a show on the local community TV station, and is interested in getting some interviews with people who've left CoS/Scientology/Dianetics/etc., and getting their perspectives on the Church. He'd also be interested in other people from around Australia (or even internationally - Tori Christman would be fantastic, but as there's no money to do this, anyone would have to be visiting).

No idea when this might go to air, but he will try to get it put on right after any show provided by the church or its members... More as an immediate counter than a preemptive move.

He wants people willing to sit in front of the camera, willing to show their documents/awards/etc., who are willing to tell their story without getting antagonistic/threatening toward CoS.

If it's a show put on by the COS and they want people who have left COS, it sounds like the exes may be used by the COS, for example, by making it look like scio is addressing criticism, but controlling it by careful editing, etc. And why do they want peole to show awards? Do you mean scientology awards.? Why would they want that??
 

scooter

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DB that was my initial reaction too then I re-read QuietSP's post and it's not the Co$ doing it - it's the friend doing it 'cause the Co$ wants to do its own show.

No way would the Ronbots be allowed anywhere near the exes.:D
 
DB that was my initial reaction too then I re-read QuietSP's post and it's not the Co$ doing it - it's the friend doing it 'cause the Co$ wants to do its own show.

No way would the Ronbots be allowed anywhere near the exes.:D


It looks like a promo plus dead agenting session.

QuietSP has an interesting posting history. A lot to do with media.
 

Lohan2008

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Quite

Quitesp please first read the Farigame post in Essential Reading.
contact www.brisanon.com we have a Media thread.

sounds to me like a "fishing expedition", will you be doing a story on the 7 OT's leaving ANZO and CofS having to bus people from Brisbane to Sydney ??
 

QuietSP

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No, I'm not Scn, nor is anyone doing this. None of us have had anything to do with Scientology, Dianetics, CoS. Personally, I can't even bring myself to read any of Hubbard's books.

No, this is not a dead-agenting attempt.

The Brisbane branch of the church have had talks about their own show on community TV, several of us have found this... irritating, to say the least. Free speech (not to mention the requirement of community TV) means that they can't be told "No". Except if they don't pay the broadcast fee.

Free, fair, and balanced speech, however, allows for someone to stand up and say "Bullshit." Even if it's right after the CoS show.

Why awards, paperwork, goldenrods? Simple - it shows that the person interviewed was part of the whole shebang, how far they got, and to say "Yes, I was part of it, then I woke up".
Any argument against Scientology, Dianetics, etc., is best put forward by those who have experience in it.

We can't - We haven't.

We've only read what others have said, heard and read some of what Hubbard said - and have heard about some of the consequences.

What we have is a way to give those who have that experience a chance to have their voice heard.
 
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No, I'm not Scn, nor is anyone doing this.

Who is "anyone doing this" Does that refer to the people making the show (media people? broadcasting personnel?


None of us have had anything to do with Scientology, Dianetics, CoS. Personally, I can't even bring myself to read any of Hubbard's books.

Have you read anything of hubbards? e.g. policy letters etc available on the net? I think you are personally involved in the program that is to be made. If so, are you a producer? or orgainiser?



No, this is not a dead-agenting attempt.

The Brisbane branch of the church have had talks about their own show on community TV, several of us have found this... irritating, to say the least. Free speech (not to mention the requirement of community TV) means that they can't be told "No". Except if they don't pay the broadcast fee.

Free, fair, and balanced speech, however, allows for someone to stand up and say "Bullshit." Even if it's right after the CoS show.

Why awards, paperwork, goldenrods? Simple - it shows that the person interviewed was part of the whole shebang, how far they got, and to say "Yes, I was part of it, then I woke up".
Any argument against Scientology, Dianetics, etc., is best put forward by those who have experience in it.

We can't - We haven't.
Again, who is "we"?

We've only read what others have said, heard and read some of what Hubbard said - and have heard about some of the consequences.

What we have is a way to give those who have that experience a chance to have their voice heard.

db
 

QuietSP

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We - my friends and I, the ones who would like to interview ex-Scienos. And, as far as we know, none of the staff at QCTV are involved with scientology.
We are shy, although we are aware that OSA/etc may try to contact us, find out who we are, try to... make life difficult for us.

Yes, I've read and listened through some of the stuff available through the net, places like OCMB, wikileaks, XenuTV, Dave Touretzky's site. Policy letters, plenty of the older books like Paulette Cooper's. MP3s/real audio copies of tapes of Hubbard's lectures. I've picked up and flicked through some of the scientology books and places like libraries, second hand book stores - none of it makes any sort of sense, except in the sense of asserting one person's ramblings without offering a shred of evidence or proof. And as for his fiction - far too many exclamation marks for a sane mind.

Again, no we are not involved with CoS, or any squirrel group. Nor am we in any way involved with the show that CoS Brisbane want to do.

We want people who might be influenced by their show to know what the significance of names like Noah Lottic, Lisa McPherson. We want people to know both sides of the story. We want people to know that people who want to leave are pressured, and harassed. We want people to know how people who say the awkward things like "Really? Prove it." are treated.

We want to wave through the smoke, and tear down the mirrors.

We want people to tell what they went through, how they got out.

Those who are interested, can contact me. Unfortunately, CoS activities being what they are, people would be wary, and see the OSA under everything... There isn't much that I could say that the more wary wouldn't read a trap into.
 

Lohan2008

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Brisanon

Brisanon will be outside the Casino (Queen Street mall) on 2nd or 3rd sat in Jan, check webpage for dates. 11 am til 4 pm.
please bring identification and journalist accredidation.
 

Magoo

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Having lived through *serious* medical abuse...I'd love to do the show.

My only problem is I'm here in LA, and the show is there. However, if they'd
rent a studio---I *could* tape from here. I know Dr. Dave has done that,
more than once.

Please e-mail me if that would work, and just put in the subject "Media---from
EX_SCIENTOLOGY BOARD" so I don't delete it. (I get so much spam these days, I delete a lot).

Merry Christmas, one and ALL :happydance:

Tory/Magoo
 

programmer_guy

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Tory,

They might also be able to do it over skype (you using your webcam). You could also ask Mark... he'll probably know how this can be done.

Someone there who is knowledgable on this would have to set this up.
 
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Pixie

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Having lived through *serious* medical abuse...I'd love to do the show.

My only problem is I'm here in LA, and the show is there. However, if they'd
rent a studio---I *could* tape from here. I know Dr. Dave has done that,
more than once.

Please e-mail me if that would work, and just put in the subject "Media---from
EX_SCIENTOLOGY BOARD" so I don't delete it. (I get so much spam these days, I delete a lot).

Merry Christmas, one and ALL :happydance:

Tory/Magoo

Merry Christmas to you too Tory!! :happydance: That's fantastic that you are perhaps going to do the interview!! You are just wonderful, and so very brave!! Let's hope it can happen. :thumbsup:

Tory,

They might also be able to do it over skype (you using your webcam). You could also ask Mark... he'll probably know how this can be done.

Someone there who is knowledgable on this would have to set this up.

Good idea!! :thumbsup: Well, you are the programmer guy after all... :coolwink:
 

Lohan2008

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Tori

Hiya Tori :happydance:
/hugs :hug:

post a link to the 3 part youtube talk you did on CofS, I know you have heaps of info
 

QuietSP

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Alternatives

Many things.... Firstly - weekends are difficult, particularly for me - I live way out of town.
Secondly - Journalist Credentials?!?!?!? Have you _any_ idea about community TV? *lol* Journalist credentials... don't exist. They're not meant to exist. It's kind of like blogging, in a lot of ways... you get you pedestal, say your bit... In fact, the more I think about it - think of it as vlogging, but with better video quality. I'm not being disparaging, but people think "TV station, ergo lots of money, professional equipment, etc" - mostly it's done by passionate amateurs, with very small amounts of money... Okay, except for the religious shows.

Tori - I would _love_ to interview you... But - there is absolutely no money to do this, a studio just isn't possible, unless someone like Mark Bunker, or someone similar, was willing to tape it, and send a copy on to us.

Okay - on that note - anyone willing to send me video of themselves, tape or DVD would be ideal, purely on basis of good video quality being very large files, talking about their experiences in CoS, I'd get it put on the air.

The only thing I would do is add a top and tail to it - a short title intro, a short outro if necessary. Video would ideally be broadcast quality PAL, broadcast quality NTSC would be okay - but not webcam. PAL is 720x576, 25 frames per second. Webcams tend to be a lot lower quality.

Like I said - this is zero budget - there is no money to hire studios internationally, it's purely by knowing the right troublemakers that it could be broadcast.

I'll make the same offer here as I have to the local Anonymous group. If someone is able to make up a music video clip, I'll look at it as a filler clip. It would have to not conflict copyright - ie be Fair Dealing in accordance with the relevant sections Australian Copyright law, but that covers education and commentary to certain extents. Video would have to be broadcast quality, music could be programmed beats, recorded music, whatever, as long as it was not copyright of someone else. As I've read it, I'm sure that including pieces of Hubbard speaking, such as "There was no Christ", and "His name was Xenu", would be classified as Fair Dealing - as long as no (false) quotes were created. Nothing out of context. Even if it comes down to having the reference for the quote as part of the video.

I'm willing to look at them, and as long as they're suitable for broadcast, aren't slanderous/libellous, aren't obscene (although we have fairly liberal laws here in Australia), and be willing to talk to the right people to get them put on.



Having lived through *serious* medical abuse...I'd love to do the show.

My only problem is I'm here in LA, and the show is there. However, if they'd
rent a studio---I *could* tape from here. I know Dr. Dave has done that,
more than once.

Please e-mail me if that would work, and just put in the subject "Media---from
EX_SCIENTOLOGY BOARD" so I don't delete it. (I get so much spam these days, I delete a lot).

Merry Christmas, one and ALL :happydance:

Tory/Magoo
 
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