Call In and Letter Writing

[Lulu Belle]

oh no, it's just that every time I read a thread that has to do with call-in for events Lulu has always jumped to the front. She is truly the super warrior on this subject and she makes me laugh.

But if you ever start a thread that has to do with call-in or with evals in service orgs, best write the post and post it and stand back outta the way because one burning hot, riled up lady is gonna come steamin' right past ya or over ya..

I just saw this.

I think one of the reasons that I go so crazy on the event call in stuff is because I was posted in PAC.

When the Int events are held live in PAC, the places where they are held hold a LOT of people. The Shrine Auditorium. the Universal Ampitheatre. Way more than the hall used at Flag, or the ship, or any of the other bases that may occasionally have an Int event.

So, besides having to cover the outrageous cost of these things, the staff are faced with the daunting task of getting 8,000 people minimum to attend to fill the hall up. Apparently it was a maniaical point with DM that there be "no empty seats".

The pressure to get confirms was intense. The New Years Eve event I particularly remember. It was always held in LA. Every year the PAC staff would get threatened with "cancelling Christmas" if the event confirms weren't on quota.

The org would be ripped apart for this stuff. Anyone on a post like letter reg was in apathy about their job. They were always ripped off post and sent to the boiler room at CLO for weeks and weeks before every event to do call in. A letter reg in a PAC org probably isn't on their actual post for more than four weeks out of the year. Same with Course admins or addresso officers or anyone on any of these kind of posts.

Staff get a few hours of hygiene time on the weekends to clean their rooms. There have been many event periods where staff were forced to come in on their hygiene time, the only few precious hours a week where they weren't on post, to do event call in.

They were horrible. HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE.

Mick is right about me.

I'm foaming at the mouth again.

 

[Free to shine]

They were horrible. HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE.

Mick is right about me.

I'm foaming at the mouth again.

Oh Lulu!
I didn't do that much call-in, but enough to empathise!

 

[Lulu Belle]

There's some reference, I think it's called Gross Income Stable Datum, that states something like it's the size and not the quality of the org's mailing list that's important. But this is ridiculous.

<Begin fair use quote>

THE SIZE NOT THE QUALITY OF AN ORG'S MAILING LIST AND THE NUMBER OF MAILINGS TO IT DETERMINE THE GROSS INCOME OF AN ORG.

IF THIS DATUM IS NOT KNOWN TO EXECUTIVES AND USED BY THEM THEIR CONDITION IS TREASON.

<End fair use quote>


That's from memory.

 

[Wisened One]

Oh God, the Call-in! DON'T miss that, none!

We had to do it boiler-room style. Bunch of us crammed into a small room with phones hookedup in rows, and the lists in front of ya, ya keep your finger on the hangup button between calls which you're not allowed to stop doing for hours at a time.....

Madness.

Wisened One

 

[Dulloldfart]

Oh God, the Call-in! DON'T miss that, none!

We had to do it boiler-room style. Bunch of us crammed into a small room with phones hookedup in rows, and the lists in front of ya, ya keep your finger on the hangup button between calls which you're not allowed to stop doing for hours at a time.....

Madness.

Wisened One

Ah yes. The joy of talking to someone who made the mistake of answering the phone instead of letting the machine pick up the call and you've forgotten who it is you're talking to, and you're desperately wondering how you can find out without saying "Oh shit, I lost my place in this list, who are you again?"

Paul

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Staff member to public: Dear ---,
"what is the worst thing you could imagine happening to you?"
(God, what loser policy was being applied here?)

letter back to staff member: Dear ---,

the worst thing I can imagine happening to me is to recieve another letter from you !

rofl!

 

[Wisened One]

Paul: LOL!

Wisened One

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Ah yes. The joy of talking to someone who made the mistake of answering the phone instead of letting the machine pick up the call and you've forgotten who it is you're talking to, and you're desperately wondering how you can find out without saying "Oh shit, I lost my place in this list, who are you again?"

Paul

I was sent by the course sup to do call-in one night after falling asleep (I really was very tired). Anyway, it's exactly like you say it is: boiler room, can't keep your place on the list and I don't hear too well anyway, so I really couldn't hear the person I was calling because of all the noise in the room. I left. I was so tired, I would have fallen asleep on the phone had the room been even slightly quieter than it was.

 

[loiepoo]

Ever since I started on staff in 1967 their CFs have been messed up.
Now I get mail sent to my address but addressed to my dead mother who was OTV, telling her to come in and go Clear!!!

"THE SIZE NOT THE QUALITY OF AN ORG'S MAILING LIST AND THE NUMBER OF MAILINGS TO IT DETERMINE THE GROSS INCOME OF AN ORG." This makes absolutely no sense to me - it is just the same ol' Scn double talk which is how LRH communicated. Since being out, I have looked at some of my Scn books and realized Ron made very little sense, was a poor writer and didn't really say anything at all. I have since throw the lot in the garbage.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I was sent by the course sup to do call-in one night after falling asleep (I really was very tired). Anyway, it's exactly like you say it is: boiler room, can't keep your place on the list and I don't hear too well anyway, so I really couldn't hear the person I was calling because of all the noise in the room. I left. I was so tired, I would have fallen asleep on the phone had the room been even slightly quieter than it was.

The Boiler Room in any organization bugs the **** out of me. Ringing tech-support and listening to the poor Tech trying to concentrate in a room full of babble is very disconcerting--and of course, telesales give themselves away by that same babble in the background before they've even started their spiel.

Ever since I started on staff in 1967 their CFs have been messed up.
Now I get mail sent to my address but addressed to my dead mother who was OTV, telling her to come in and go Clear!!!

"THE SIZE NOT THE QUALITY OF AN ORG'S MAILING LIST AND THE NUMBER OF MAILINGS TO IT DETERMINE THE GROSS INCOME OF AN ORG." This makes absolutely no sense to me - it is just the same ol' Scn double talk which is how LRH communicated. Since being out, I have looked at some of my Scn books and realized Ron made very little sense, was a poor writer and didn't really say anything at all. I have since throw the lot in the garbage.

There is policy on removing names from the CF in order to cull dead files. Mail that is returned as mis-addressed etc., is supposed to be removed, but the rate at which names are added to CF far exceeds the due diligence in removing dead ones.

There are two mailing lists in the world from which it is nigh on impossible to have your name removed: $cientology, and Readers' Digest.

 

[Lulu Belle]

There are two mailing lists in the world from which it is nigh on impossible to have your name removed: $cientology, and Readers' Digest.

 

[Dulloldfart]

There are two mailing lists in the world from which it is nigh on impossible to have your name removed: $cientology, and Readers' Digest.

The IRS or Inland Revenue don't like to forget about you much either.

Paul

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

The IRS or Inland Revenue don't like to forget about you much either.

Paul

I'm a galactic warlord. Such petty things don't worry me.

I wonder, has the Co$ started saving money by sending email instead of snail mail? Just imagine it, 30,000 emails in one day all inviting you to an event on a different part of the planet.

 

[Amadeus Einstein]

This reminds me of a funny moment having to do with CF. When the org was being moved, all public were "required" to put in time on CF. There were letters and files on people going back for years. We had to file all of these old letters and one made me (covertly) LOL

Staff member to public: Dear ---,
"what is the worst thing you could imagine happening to you?"
(God, what loser policy was being applied here?)

letter back to staff member: Dear ---,

the worst thing I can imagine happening to me is to recieve another letter from you !

I saw a letter written to some obviously green-off-the-street staff member who had blown after a week: "Dear ..., You have blown from your post. This is gross out-responsibility. [various other make-wrongs followed] If you don't come back, [various threats of ethics actions that a newbie wouldn't have a clue about]."

Another letter written to a bookbuyer who had not responded to about 15 letters since buying the book: "Dear ..., What have you done to us? Yours sincerely, ..."

 

[Giuseppe]

"Dear ..., What have you done to us? Yours sincerely, ..."

This is a tactical move specifically formulated to create a MWH. HCOPL blah blah from date blah blah blah says this is true to fend off annoying people. Just tell them 'I know what you are doing and if you don't stop, then I am going to ...'

Using a generality to fend off annoying or Suppressive Persons. But, if Giuseppe is an SP, and a Co$Drone did this, Giuseppe have no guilty conscience, right? So that doesn't working on the SP.

 

[grundy]

I just saw this.

I think one of the reasons that I go so crazy on the event call in stuff is because I was posted in PAC.

When the Int events are held live in PAC, the places where they are held hold a LOT of people. The Shrine Auditorium. the Universal Ampitheatre. Way more than the hall used at Flag, or the ship, or any of the other bases that may occasionally have an Int event.

So, besides having to cover the outrageous cost of these things, the staff are faced with the daunting task of getting 8,000 people minimum to attend to fill the hall up. Apparently it was a maniaical point with DM that there be "no empty seats".

The pressure to get confirms was intense. The New Years Eve event I particularly remember. It was always held in LA. Every year the PAC staff would get threatened with "cancelling Christmas" if the event confirms weren't on quota.

The org would be ripped apart for this stuff. Anyone on a post like letter reg was in apathy about their job. They were always ripped off post and sent to the boiler room at CLO for weeks and weeks before every event to do call in. A letter reg in a PAC org probably isn't on their actual post for more than four weeks out of the year. Same with Course admins or addresso officers or anyone on any of these kind of posts.

Staff get a few hours of hygiene time on the weekends to clean their rooms. There have been many event periods where staff were forced to come in on their hygiene time, the only few precious hours a week where they weren't on post, to do event call in.

They were horrible. HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE.

Mick is right about me.

I'm foaming at the mouth again.

WHAT years were you in PAC? Cause this is oooooohhh so much what I experienced at PAC.

Call-in unit upstairs at AOLA. Calling the same people that have already been confirmed 25 times. Pissing people off. Pissing me off. Study time getting cancelled to do call in. At least some execs TRIED to get the calling to stop at 10:00, because it was out-PR to call after that.

Having to keep track of minutes on the phone after the new phone system was put in which routed all the lines through a central router. Because you only had a certain amount on your code. And you had to ask for more if you ran out. Call-inners used the call-in unit code. Which pretty much meant that code was used by everyone. Bill would come in and we'd get yelled at. Call-in unit code had to be changed daily at one point.

I've been so restimulated.

Lulu - if you were at PAC in the early to mid 90s, please PM me ... cause I was there too....

 

[Wirestripper]

Oh god. I was lucky to be on an exec post for my first few years. No call-in for me! Then I got busted...

and the horror of the boiler room began. Although, I spent most of my call0in time talking to family members. It was the one time I could spend an hour on the phone and no one would care!

 

[Zander]

One of the first shockers for me when joining staff was to find out about the policy that states that someone is never taken off the mailing list even if they write in to ask to be removed this didn't seem right to me.

But I'm not sure I ever actually read this policy so I may be missing some of the details.

Zander

 

[Neo]

One of the first shockers for me when joining staff was to find out about the policy that states that someone is never taken off the mailing list even if they write in to ask to be removed this didn't seem right to me.

But I'm not sure I ever actually read this policy so I may be missing some of the details.

Zander

Thats right. You get listed as Ask Off, but remain in the system. If declared, you get listed as SP, or deadfiled SP. No names get removed. There's no ability to remove names from the computer system. And the only way to get out of the old file CF system is if they lose your file, which can happen, LOL.

 

[Zander]

Thats right. You get listed as Ask Off, but remain in the system. If declared, you get listed as SP, or deadfiled SP. No names get removed. There's no ability to remove names from the computer system. And the only way to get out of the old file CF system is if they lose your file, which can happen, LOL.

Thanks for the clarification Neo. Am I right in thinking that the Ask Off's still get written to and sent promo?

Zander