Calmag

[Ex_SaintHill]

I have a question to you guys:

What are your thoughts about calmag.

I know I hated that stuff, as it always nearly made me puke, but what was the purpose of that brew supposed to be, except to give one calcium and magnesium? The only guys I've seen who regularly drank it where the NOTS auditors, who were using it to wash down the horrendous amount of vitamin B1 they ate.


Did you like it, hate it or ignore it?

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

It didn't do anything for me but make me gag.

 

[Good twin]

Always had a craving for it whenever I stayed at the FH. Other than that I couldn't stand the stuff.

 

[Operating DB]

I agree that calmag was unpalatable but the awful taste wasn't noticeable if it was really chilled. After preparing it I would store it in the freezer until it was very cold. For whatever reason it ended up free of taste. For me I found it had a relaxing and calming effect and was able to have a good sleep. At least that's the way it was in 1980 for the recipe we had for it back then on the dreaded Purif.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Obviously the people that were making it, weren't making it correctly. I used to make it by the gallon - it kept me calm. Anyway, when any of my friends tasted my Cal-Mag, they offered to pay me to make it for them. It never, ever tasted horrible.

 

[Terril park]

Its valuable nutrition stuff.

I take tablets, I guess not optimum.

Bodies need this stuff.

 

[scooter]

Made properly it didn't have a horrible taste but it did make me fart lots.

Using lemon juice instead of vinegar handled that.

Generally therapeutic for the cult lifestyle but I don't feel I need it now - I'm not chasing stats all the time.

 

[tookmeawhile]

F*CK CAL MAG!

Made properly it didn't have a horrible taste but it did make me fart lots.

Interesting... I was just thinking about cal mag today and was thinking of starting a thread about it. Someone must be OT around here.

My thoughts on cal mag is it NEVER helped me; even though I sure tried - with the power of suggestion - but it only made me feel yucky. I never minded the taste. I'm sure some bodies need it but my body never responded to it. Apparently I'm not low in cal or mag; either that or I think I had a slight allergic reaction to the vinegar in it. It was one of those lrh datums that we had to accept and I'm sure a lot of people benefitted from it BUT...

This illustrates to me one of the major problems with lrh; he thought he knew what was best for me - all the time. Cal mag was NOT good for me and it wasn't my bank telling me that! My body didn't want it; it is repulsed by it and that's it. lrh was wrong to make everyone believe everything he said was gospel. Sure, he said only if it was true for yourself it was true, but that isn't how it works in scio. In lrh's opinion, it was his way 100%, that he is always right and if you disagree, it was simply your bank. If he would have just said, "hey, for whatever it's worth - try this cal mag; it might help you".

The above paragraph flies right in the face of KSW and I'm so glad to know that I don't have to make myself believe most of the crap in KSW anymore. It's nice to be able to think and say, without guilt or other bad feelings, that lrh was wrong quite a bit. But, you know - he was right about a lot of things - he hit on something great and powerful but didn't quite get it right. I'd give him credit for what he did accomplish but sadly, he went, or always was, insane and hurt a lot of people. I don't think he had good intentions but did stumble upon some good stuff. To this day he hurts a lot of people very, very badly. Ah well, I'm just rambling now...

Back to my point - f*ck cal mag and f*ck lrh for telling me I needed it. I, for one, most certainly did not need it.

 

[Blue Spirit]

CAL versus Magnesium

For some reason it never worked for me.

Many need Magnesium in quantity to rectify the bad effects of

overdozing for years on Calcium which accumulates in the blood tubes,

muscles, kidneys, bones, etc.

At the very least take Cal/Mag in a 1 to 1 ratio.

Magnesium should be taken in the Transdermal form of Magnesium Chloride

an oil derived purely from sea water that absorbs readily.

Calcium from leafy greens is best.

Coral Calcium is bad because it isn't a plant form and has little magnesium,

so it just throws off your Magnesium to Calcium balance more.

Blood tests for Magnesium levels are useless as an indicator.

Read the book "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" by Bruce Sircus.

The brand I like and use is "Ancient Minerals" in a blue 16 ounce bottle.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

It's supposed to also soothe and calm in addition to providing nutrition. I never noticed such an effect and I was tired of it.

 

[FinallyFree]

Cal Mag never helped me. Other varieties of Calcium and Mag have worked for me in proper combination of A&D vits. The only time while in scn I took that shit is when I did my Purif's (yes, two I was a *gasp* drug revert! Which BTW, I would l like to ask: How can you be a "drug revert" when you didn't take drugs BEFORE scientology? I know - off topic) and I always complained to the C/S. But since I was always friends with the I/C's, and my compliants were sending him to cramming - yep, on HOW to make Cal Mag cauz' he was "being out-tech" - I decided I would just drink the crap and shut up. I always thought it was a joke. I later was told by two seperate people (one a Doctor the other a nutritionist - hey I live in Southern CA okay?) that the calcium particles used in the formula are too large for our bodies to assimulate. Frankly all that crap did to me was make me nearly vomit and have painful diarrhea (SORRY! ). But frankly my personal reaction to it confirms what I was told by the doc and vitamin freak.
There are so MUCH BETTER ways of getting your cal and mag!

 

[Blue Spirit]

Good Post

Interesting... I was just thinking about cal mag today and was thinking of starting a thread about it. Someone must be OT around here.

My thoughts on cal mag is it NEVER helped me; even though I sure tried - with the power of suggestion - but it only made me feel yucky. I never minded the taste. I'm sure some bodies need it but my body never responded to it. Apparently I'm not low in cal or mag; either that or I think I had a slight allergic reaction to the vinegar in it. It was one of those lrh datums that we had to accept and I'm sure a lot of people benefitted from it BUT...

This illustrates to me one of the major problems with lrh; he thought he knew what was best for me - all the time. Cal mag was NOT good for me and it wasn't my bank telling me that! My body didn't want it; it is repulsed by it and that's it. lrh was wrong to make everyone believe everything he said was gospel. Sure, he said only if it was true for yourself it was true, but that isn't how it works in scio. In lrh's opinion, it was his way 100%, that he is always right and if you disagree, it was simply your bank. If he would have just said, "hey, for whatever it's worth - try this cal mag; it might help you".

The above paragraph flies right in the face of KSW and I'm so glad to know that I don't have to make myself believe most of the crap in KSW anymore. It's nice to be able to think and say, without guilt or other bad feelings, that lrh was wrong quite a bit. But, you know - he was right about a lot of things - he hit on something great and powerful but didn't quite get it right. I'd give him credit for what he did accomplish but sadly, he went, or always was, insane and hurt a lot of people. I don't think he had good intentions but did stumble upon some good stuff. To this day he hurts a lot of people very, very badly. Ah well, I'm just rambling now...

Back to my point - f*ck cal mag and f*ck lrh for telling me I needed it. I, for one, most certainly did not need it.

I agree with 90% of the above.

The Cal-Mag formula never worked on me no matter how much I took.

LRH forced a baby I knew to take his Barley Formula even though the baby

was very allergic to it. The petition went to LRH, supposedly.

Also their was no quality specs for vitamins on the Purif, which was an

obvious problem, and all those junk vitamins going in was hard on and even

dangerous to the Liver, and who knows what else.

I'm not very inclined to take advice from someone who was always

unhealthy and didn't know 10% what I do about the body.

Also read how he died sometime to see about his health and drug use helped

along by dumb Dr. Denk. The one appointment I had with him caused me to

feel so unsafe by the perceived feeling in the waiting area, that I got up

and left before seeing him.

LRH always was right no matter what, and made too many wrong because of

it. That is called a Service Facsimile. A GIANT one in his case, and another

piece of a HUGE unhandled case that stopped him from reaching some of the

higher OT Levels it would seem.

 

[Thrak]

Cal mag never did anything for me except make me want to barf. When I had trouble sleeping for session there was always some hgc paige recommending cal mag. Might as well of suggested drinking coffee before bed.

 

[Ex_SaintHill]

Well so far I got the impression that for some guys and girls it has a calming effect. I must admit, I never got calm after drinking it. But why take it on the purif? So one can fall asleep in the Sauna? Happened to me all the time.

Did any of you notice that many "OTs" drink it and take a lot of B1 ? (Usually people on OT 5 and above), and what is the deal with taking it in combination with B1?

At SH all the NOTS auditors took it. BUT WHY? Why would they need to be calmed down all the time? Maybe some OTV only reference where LRH advises them?

This illustrates to me one of the major problems with lrh; he thought he knew what was best for me - all the time. Cal mag was NOT good for me and it wasn't my bank telling me that! My body didn't want it; it is repulsed by it and that's it. lrh was wrong to make everyone believe everything he said was gospel. Sure, he said only if it was true for yourself it was true, but that isn't how it works in scio. In lrh's opinion, it was his way 100%, that he is always right and if you disagree, it was simply your bank. If he would have just said, "hey, for whatever it's worth - try this cal mag; it might help you".

The above paragraph flies right in the face of KSW and I'm so glad to know that I don't have to make myself believe most of the crap in KSW anymore. It's nice to be able to think and say, without guilt or other bad feelings, that lrh was wrong quite a bit. But, you know - he was right about a lot of things - he hit on something great and powerful but didn't quite get it right. I'd give him credit for what he did accomplish but sadly, he went, or always was, insane and hurt a lot of people. I don't think he had good intentions but did stumble upon some good stuff. To this day he hurts a lot of people very, very badly. Ah well, I'm just rambling now...

Back to my point - f*ck cal mag and f*ck lrh for telling me I needed it. I, for one, most certainly did not need it.

When my mum was doing OT 7 at Flag she was taking calmag and B1 by the bucketloads, one year later she had only white hair. She lost her hair color completely, and that with the age of 35!

So yeah f*ck lrh for telling people they need it.

 

[Tiger Lily]

Actually Cal-mag helped me a ton. It was great to relax and to sleep. Even to this day I take Calcium/Magnesium 2:1 (not "Cal-Mag" per se though) if my muscles start to hurt. Often the pain goes away and I can sleep. It's one of the things that I still use from my years in Scientology.

-TL

 

[tookmeawhile]

Actually Cal-mag helped me a ton. It was great to relax and to sleep. Even to this day I take Calcium/Magnesium 2:1 (not "Cal-Mag" per se though) if my muscles start to hurt. Often the pain goes away and I can sleep. It's one of the things that I still use from my years in Scientology.

-TL

I'm glad it works for you, Tiger Lily (I'm kind of jealous, too). I have heard a lot of people over the years say they liked or even loved it. Of course some people would be very quiet if it was being discussed. I don't think they liked it very much. :wink2:

That's what I LOVE about the ex-scio boards here - being able to FINALLY discuss all things scio - saying it's good, it's bad, nothing happened for me, made me feel great, etc.!!!

 

[Good twin]

Hi TMA!

 

[AngeloV]

Calcium is helpful for older women to help slow down osteoporosis.

The only thing I know about magnesium (the metal) is that it burns REALLY brightly when you get it hot enough to ignite (I miss the days of childhood experiments!)

 

[Dulloldfart]

I find it beneficial to be aware of the symptoms of being short of calcium or magnesium and know how to remedy it, although it's better to prevent a deficiency in the first place. For instance, right now if I hear even a moderately sharp noise, I find it *piercing*. I assume it's a nerve problem. I have learned that piercing feeling is a symptom of mineral deficiency, just like when I get (rare) muscle cramps in my leg or slight discomfort in the heart (which is a muscle). My mother used to sleep very lightly, and any noise would wake her up and set her teeth on edge. CalMag cured it for her — it was the only thing of value she got from Scn, apart from learning to use newspapers to clean windows (not a joke).

I read CalMag isn't the best way to get usable calcium and magnesium into the body, but I've found it works well enough in terms of those symptoms disappearing rapidly, same day.

Paul

 

[Ted]

Cal-Mag

I believe this was an Adelle Davis formula.

Some people gag on the vinegar. As mentioned earlier, lemon should work, too, as you are just trying to get an acid base to facilitate absorption.

I take calcium and magnesium citrates, one tablet of each in approximately a 2:1 ratio. This works for me just as well if not better than cal-mag.