can a Thetan lose his whole track

[Zinjifar]

When one does OT 8 they find out that the "track" they believed was theirs had nothing to do with them.

That's interesting. And something I've suggested before. Even granting the 'validity' of past life memories, there is *no* reason to think these memories are *yours*

Maybe I'm a 'past life OTVIII'

Zinj

 

[Feral]

That's interesting. And something I've suggested before. Even granting the 'validity' of past life memories, there is *no* reason to think these memories are *yours*

Maybe I'm a 'past life OTVIII'

Zinj

Maybe you are Zinj, the fact is that those memories have a degree of tangibility to them, they are full of detail and while I don't think it's impossible that they are constructed on the spot I do think that there are more likely explanations.

I actually believe for the most part they are real, just not really yours.

Nor are they important in that they do not resolve either who you are or any unwanted conditions.

"Positive processing" more than likely gave me the improvements that I did experience, the rest, being negative processes are Hubbard trying to resolve his left over Demons from his Occult days with Jack Parsons and Allister Crowley.

Do I believe in Demons? Well, only for those who play with them.

 

[Zinjifar]

I'd say that obsession with 'self' is inherently unspiritual. So, obsession with *your* past life is very much unspiritual.

Why would you *care* who you 'were'? Is this 'up to present time'?

I don't know if past life memories are accurate; nor do I care. And, if there are lessons to be learned from past life memories, I can learn as much from somone else's.

I don't need the pink slip.

Zinj

 

[Jachs]

Knowledge ARC KRC

Hi Feral, i see where you are coming from,
Please disregard any reference to "I", there is no "I" as such,

I used to be up until 6 months ago a golf cart mechanic,

I had interest in everything i laid my eyes on,i had a great analyzer for doingness but not for livingness ,too dispersed ,aesthetics good , social not so good,.

I was extremely low toned.

I can tell you that i have objective reality on having connections to Dynamics and losing those connections and ARC,
I can say objectively that all that reality and Affinity, Knowledge has been with Live Thetans since creation, i can say this because up until feb 27 i had that fullness of dynamics, and it got eaten up, dissolved, i dont know how mechanically it does this.But i do know the body is a big part of it, its called a reactive mind in PAB 6.

Soo whilst you may have that reality, with an Analyzer comparing/differentiating data,concepts all those intricate facts that are part of concepts of things, all at a high whirl from a viewpoint
producing pictures consequetively with perceptics, from a social mind complete with many beingnesses and being able to see anothers viewpoint because you have had that beingness viewpoint before, an aesthetic mind of beauty, and a security mind that keeps you safe.

I can say , i dont have that anymore, it may very well be the way you say about the "track", i am talking about collective experience/knowingness and awareness of awareness since the dawn of our creation.
What i have in its place is an inverted identifying mind, that has no detail on what things are, just that they are recognisable, identifable. no aesthetic. an ever diminishing reach for communication.
When i realise that this body is in control, it sniggers, sometimes it just collapses, there is some form of analyzer that feeds / relays information, it identifies a comm, it responds like a computer, there is no selection of words, it just spits it out..socially, conversation is delivered without thought,
The file clerk is inverted, previous affinities and realities are impinged upon the being, when this occurs the body literally hyper ventilates, wails, moans.
Like an ongoing record, it does the same actions in ever decreasing reality.

Going clear would have avoided this for me.

No viewpoint on this , its just a record of the experience,
The worst death is the death of awareness of awareness, and ability to differeniate and be and do and have, and control your own destiny.
The last death you dont have that, its controlled without mercy and without ability to combat it.

Basically, no, you can't lose something that was never yours.

The whole track was misnamed by Hubbard. The memories and pictures that we have and call "whole track" are not even in sequence, several memories and lifetimes are at consecutive times. Personally I've "run" memories of being in the US being warned about the Redcoats when over the same period I also recall living in England as a sailor and fisherman.

When one does OT 8 they find out that the "track" they believed was theirs had nothing to do with them.

Considering that by then people traveling the bridge to nowhere have spent up $500,000 to run all the incidents on the whole track that "affected" them so badly, it rates as a pretty big let down.

This is not to say that I think we haven't lived before and will exist after our bodies die, it's just that Hubbard never had a handle on it, if you think otherwise then tell me where are all the OTs that have died since 1967?

Where is Ron, who promised to return to finish his work 24 years ago?

The game is different to the representations made by Elron. Sorry about the bad news, which IMO is good news, the best I've had since reading about the between lives implant fictions of a failed Sci Fi writer.

 

[Jachs]

Pay back time

deleted.

 

[KnightVision]

Hi Feral, i see where you are coming from,
Please disregard any reference to "I", there is no "I" as such,

Uh, no actually. There are plenty of 'I's'

Starting with 'I'diot.

Further, whether you are aware of it or not.... (blank).

 

[Stat]

Aesthetics and love is on my mind and in my heart. Those are probably the last two in the world and probably in the universe I have no complaints about, but rather otherwise. Peace.

 

[Zhent]

In SYDNEY NOW have to pay back some "friends" of neglect.

Need some Anonymous backup?

Where abouts are you visiting; Sydney Org, AOSH ANZO, the Dundas base?

 

[FoTi]

In SYDNEY NOW have to pay back some "friends" of neglect.

Jachs has changed his Location: to SYDNEY SNIPER. I'm now wondering what this pay back is going to be.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Iyiyiyiyiyi, Dr. Dramasaurus Esq......

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hi Feral, i see where you are coming from,
Please disregard any reference to "I", there is no "I" as such,

I used to be up until 6 months ago a golf cart mechanic,

I had interest in everything i laid my eyes on,i had a great analyzer for doingness but not for livingness ,too dispersed ,aesthetics good , social not so good,.

I was extremely low toned.

I can tell you that i have objective reality on having connections to Dynamics and losing those connections and ARC,
I can say objectively that all that reality and Affinity, Knowledge has been with Live Thetans since creation, i can say this because up until feb 27 i had that fullness of dynamics, and it got eaten up, dissolved, i dont know how mechanically it does this.But i do know the body is a big part of it, its called a reactive mind in PAB 6.

Soo whilst you may have that reality, with an Analyzer comparing/differentiating data,concepts all those intricate facts that are part of concepts of things, all at a high whirl from a viewpoint
producing pictures consequetively with perceptics, from a social mind complete with many beingnesses and being able to see anothers viewpoint because you have had that beingness viewpoint before, an aesthetic mind of beauty, and a security mind that keeps you safe.

I can say , i dont have that anymore, it may very well be the way you say about the "track", i am talking about collective experience/knowingness and awareness of awareness since the dawn of our creation.
What i have in its place is an inverted identifying mind, that has no detail on what things are, just that they are recognisable, identifable. no aesthetic. an ever diminishing reach for communication.
When i realise that this body is in control, it sniggers, sometimes it just collapses, there is some form of analyzer that feeds / relays information, it identifies a comm, it responds like a computer, there is no selection of words, it just spits it out..socially, conversation is delivered without thought,
The file clerk is inverted, previous affinities and realities are impinged upon the being, when this occurs the body literally hyper ventilates, wails, moans.
Like an ongoing record, it does the same actions in ever decreasing reality.

Going clear would have avoided this for me.

No viewpoint on this , its just a record of the experience,
The worst death is the death of awareness of awareness, and ability to differeniate and be and do and have, and control your own destiny.
The last death you dont have that, its controlled without mercy and without ability to combat it.

Jachs! You are sitting in something unfairly vicious. It should never have come to that point of restimulation. The fact that you are sitting 'inside' of it kind of puts you at effect right there. For yrs I felt like the little worm smothering inside a Mexican jumping bean. This 'shell' only seemed to be alive because I had animation. Looking at it just made it eat up all my life force and free attention like a pac man gobbles little dots. I was sitting inside a cluster which had taken over the shape of my entire body. I was encapsulated in it. The more I tried to inspect it the more my live attention caused it to be animated on its own behalf. I felt doomed. I freewheeled. On the surface of my body seemed to appear small firey solar prominences....arcs of fire leaping out inches or feet. Wild. Right before this I felt the body was solidifying and cementing me to it. Then I went on a reverse cycle and everything went into a wild dispersal. An opposite swing. I felt terribly unwholesome while drowning in the debris and it was hard to feel I deserved NOT to suffer this. I listed as to what could bring this unbelievably vicious attack against me as a spiritual being. I wondered what kind of God could allow this. :confused2: I tried praying but realized I'd already established belief patterns that would not permit this idea to go far. But you know what ended up happening is that I tricked myself. I spotted for sure that this kind of hefty counter intention could not be levelled at just anyone. That somewhere I had been enough of a threat to someone that these things were installed. I realized that I had had rather large opponents in the past. I was right! I surmised that these must have been mighty afraid of me at one point. I looked at any agreements I could find that I deserved to be punished or that I should never be allowed out. I listed. It was not the sanest thing to do but I was desperate. In the long run I could see the mass as something separate from myself. The thing about an encasement mass is that you have to look THROUGH it. You have to look through its viewpoint. It for me was like trying to see around a contact lens that lay over my pupil. It is a filter that will not permit an exact duplicate of the environment. You have already read the PAB 6. You are bright. This thing you are dealing with is being fed by an energy source. It is in chronic restimulation. You are going to have to find a way to turn it off.
It is all so horrible that I want to start by flowing you some ADMIRATION for suffering through this. I want to encourage you to stop feeling 'wrong' for being in this situation. I want to validate you for all the wisdom and astute observation you have gotten re what is happening in your space. I want to encourage you to possibly look at this aggravated reactive mind of the body from the inside and then from the outside alternately if you can. If you are feeling ARC broken and not connected to your dynamics, find WHO it is that feels that way. These are real feelings and real sensations you are feeling but they are probably commonly 'shared'. Try to differentiate between YOU and the aggravated case. And if you are doing anything you may feel is a continuous overt or is unethical you could be feeding fuel to the fire. On a very high level we agreed that we could be punished if we failed to restrain ourselves from certain things. This is the point where we can go bonkers. I really choked on the supposition that all the anihilation of my life force could be me as an 8th dynamic suppressing me as a 7th dynamic in a totally nonsympathetic way. This was not really correct.
In the end though I just stopped 'thinking'. I went into acceptance mode, even if I was covertly waiting for the parasitic aspect of my case to lose interest and go back to sleep. Maybe my ordeal was not so much like yours as I would like to think. I just want to let you know that others have been to this kind of hell and came back.
I must've have somehow been granted grace after a time. :wink2: A slow to arrive grace. I found some correct indications. Things calmed down. Turned off.. albeit slower than they had turned on.

 

[Veda]

Jachs has changed his Location: to SYDNEY SNIPER. I'm now wondering what this pay back is going to be.

You're right to wonder, and to be concerned.

This is something about which one does not joke - or should not joke, and there really is no choice but to assume that Jachs isn't anything but serious.

It might be a good idea, if there's no word from Jachs soon, and no clarification of what he's saying here, to contact the Sydney Police. (If that's the proper jurisdiction.)

http://www.forum.exscn.net/member.php?u=6636

Thanks for noticing this.

Jachs, speak up and explain yourself. You've made threats against the lives of others. That's not OK. So what's the deal?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Jachs,

If you are reading this ... please do not do anything (bad) to anyone.

Even if bad things were done to you, that does not justify what you may be planning.

I am sure you will do what is right, you seem like a really nice guy that needs some good support at the moment.



Ah! Hi Jachs ... I see you are reading this.

Please take care of yourself and ask for help if you need it ...

 

[Stat]

Jachs,

If you are reading this ... please do not do anything (bad) to anyone.

Even if bad things were done to you, that does not justify what you may be planning.

I am sure you will do what is right, you seem like a really nice guy that needs some good support at the moment.



Ah! Hi Jachs ... I see you are reading this.

Please take care of yourself and ask for help if you need it ...

Subscribed. Try to cool down. None of it is about blood. Kill the ideas, not people, brother.

Give yourself enough time to heal.

 

[Veda]

Jachs,

If you are reading this ... please do not do anything (bad) to anyone.

Even if bad things were done to you, that does not justify what you may be planning.

I am sure you will do what is right, you seem like a really nice guy that needs some good support at the moment.



Ah! Hi Jachs ... I see you are reading this.

Please take care of yourself and ask for help if you need it ...

Well, it's some time later, and his Profile still reads:

Biography
EX S/O UK LRH COMM NETWORK

Location
SYDNEY SNIPER

Interests
pay back

Occupation
9mm

Signature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZOIiYVMOI

I haven't been following this as have some others, but I thought this person was making progress. Does anyone know what happened, and how long his Profile has featured this content?

This isn't good.

This is strange. I just, several minutes later, received a PM from the banned Alex, telling me (supposedly) this person's name and the phone number of his previous place of employment.

 

[uniquemand]

I would recommend immediate restraint and a LONG vacation.

 

[AlphOhm]

Well, it's some time later, and his Profile still reads:

Biography
EX S/O UK LRH COMM NETWORK

Location
SYDNEY SNIPER

Interests
pay back

Occupation
9mm

Signature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZOIiYVMOI

I haven't been following this as have some others, but I thought this person was making progress. Does anyone know what happened, and how long his Profile has featured this content?

This isn't good.

This is strange. I just, several minutes later, received a PM from the banned Alex, telling me (supposedly) this person's name and the phone number of his previous place of employment.

I would call that employer and the police just in case.

Jachss--go to the emergency room and ask for help.

 

[Veda]

I would call that employer and the police just in case.

Jachss--go to the emergency room and ask for help.

Firstly, this is information from Alex, who was banned - and IMO, correctly so. Apparently, he's opened a new account, and has posted again. He can also send PMs, and my guess is that he's PMed a number of individuals, "making friends and influencing people." So, Alex can contact others and give them the same information.

Alex has a long track record of manipulative game playing on behalf of the Church of Scientology, and of back-stabbing. He may be, at this time, for whatever reason, in "helpful" mode. Nonetheless, it's tainted "help."

How Alex has this information is any one's guess. And why Alex should be watching this so carefuly is any one's guess.

As for me calling the Sidney, Australia police, or this person's former employer (very vague with phone # given), who I assume to be Scientology, and alerting them that someone on ESMB, living in or headed for Sydney, has posted threats, etc., and that here's a name provided by "Alex," I'm not going to do that at this time.

 

[FoTi]

Well, it's some time later, and his Profile still reads:

Biography
EX S/O UK LRH COMM NETWORK

Location
SYDNEY SNIPER

Interests
pay back

Occupation
9mm

Signature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZOIiYVMOI

I haven't been following this as have some others, but I thought this person was making progress. Does anyone know what happened, and how long his Profile has featured this content?

This isn't good.

This is strange. I just, several minutes later, received a PM from the banned Alex, telling me (supposedly) this person's name and the phone number of his previous place of employment.

I also received a PM today from alexrsingh who Emma banned sometime back, but he snuck back in. He gave Jach's name, email address, Facebook, phone number, etc. I'm wondering why Alex is outing this person. :confused2:

I wish Jachs would check back in here and let us know what's going on with him.

Oh, and by the way, I can see that Jachs is currently on this board PMing somebody, so he is near a computer and can say something here if he chooses to. Hey Jachs. Speak to us!

And Jachs, please don't do something you will later regret.

 

[Jachs]

Breach of Privacy

Whoever this Alex is, it is a breach of my privacy by handing over my personal information to anyone on this board.

From direct conversation with OSA, DSA Auckland i know this post is being monitored by persons from the church.

Who have i threatened?

No one!

Thats why these tactics are employed to get someone else to call the said individuals.

Why doesnt Alex call the police himself ?

because no threat has been made to any one