CAN WE TALK ABOUT PTS TECH?

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted by lkwdblds (comments in purple)


Despite decades of extremely high stats, they were tossed aside like a pair of worn out socks. Lesser rank and file guys such as myself were dismissed as insane, incompetent and DB's. These exact words were literally read to me by Mike Mauer, a 19 year old Sea Org officer who read me these evaluations of who and what I was directly from Sea Org policy, just before I was ready to leave the Apollo for the airport to go home. HellYeah, Lakester.....I ran into Mauer at that time when he was an Apollo Sea Org Missionaire terrorizing AO's and St. Hills. Hope he is doing better now, but at that time Mauer was an impenetrably omnipotent and arrogant asshole with a glaring, dedicated grin that was befitting a storm trooper from the master race.

While on the Apollo, I encountered one of the most insane policies that exists on this planet and it is official Sea Org Policy. INSANE POLICIES, you say? So hard to pick out just one from such abundance! LOL

She said it was against LRH policy for someone to fail at a higher Org and then return to a lower Org. Precisely why David Miscavige, COB, Supreme Rulah, can never be demoted!

 

[Zinjifar]

Precisely why David Miscavige, COB, Supreme Rulah, can never be demoted![/B][/COLOR]

Maybe he could be hanged in Effigy.

I think that's in Iowa

Zinj

 

[AnonKat]

Sorry AnonKat; Barbara De Angelis makes me puke a little in my mouth...

Zinj

Yeah Yeah relation therapist and all but the qoute is still valid. Even some of LRH are lol. Churchill was a racist too by the way lol

L. Ron Hubbard:

“There is only one way, really, to get into a state of living, and that's live! There is no substitute for an all-out, over-the-ramparts, howling charge against life. That's living. Living does not consist of sitting in a temple in the shadows and getting rheumatism from the cold stones. Living is hot, it's fast, it's often brutal! It has a terrific gamut of emotional reactions.
If you are really willing to live, you first have to be willing to do anything that consists of living. Weird. But it's one of those awfully true things that you wonder why one has to say it. And yet it has to be said.”

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Maybe he could be hanged in Effigy.

I have reported your ESMB rules-violation that prohibits Ad Hanginem wins.

 

[AnonKat]

I have reported your ESMB rules-violation that prohibits Ad Hanginem wins.

I am sure he misspelled "spanked"

 

[Blue Spirit]

Dennis Stephens

Mayo is, was a great guy.

A GREAT spirit.

He did a lot for the tech, like McMasters, and others around this board. You will see that many of the developments were not LRH, such as study tech, which was completely kidnapped by LRH from a couple who developed it, listing which was developed by Alan Walters, who posted here, and is the developer of Knowledgism, BPC which was original Mystic´s idea, another poster on this board. Read all the Apollo thread, and you will get a lot of insight.

Mayo was a real threat to LRH´s power back then. Imagine LRH had chosen Mayo over DM (he didn´t choose DM, but just to speculate), what would have happened? On the other hand, why would LRH rather keep guys like DM on board, and let guys like Brent Corydon, Galusha, or Mayo leave... that tells also a lot.

Mayo speaks from the HEART on that video, that is why it is so impinging.

Very good post Paul.

IMMORTAL, another to add to the list that you'll find interesting is
DENNIS STEPHENS who was with LRH for quite awhile and says on his recording that LRH was a "Confronter", as a substitute for experiencing.
That is an interesting concept when you understand it. He left LRH about 1962.

It also explains the difference between TR's and the superior "Presence Drills" in Knowledgism.

Dennis recorded a talk before he died, which is on the net and also in print form. Dennis formed his own group called TROM, I believe.

 

[Markus]

PTS Tech is criminal

Hello Immortal - great to have you here on this board.

PTS Tech is cruel and criminal because it is destroying families. It played a very big role in destroying my family and in causing the inhuman suffering of my brother Uwe in the RPF.

Here is the story: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14804

Love
Markus

 

[lkwdblds]

Well Stated!

Barbara De Angelis:

We need to find the courage to say NO to the things and people that are not serving us if we want to rediscover ourselves and live our lives with authenticity.

Well said!! There is a lot of wisdom in y0ur quote!
Lakey

 

[paul.spiritualquest]

Where is Mayo now?

I know it´s a bit off-topic. But. Where is Mayo now? What´s he doing? Last thing I read is the nightmare in Santo Domingo, where OSA was making his life impossible.

Did he stop to post? What about Metapsychology, any of you have any ideas about it? Does it still exist as a therapy? What is it all about?

What is your take on Mayo, having developed NOTs to go completely into another direction? (no more entities )

Best,

P-.

 

[IMMORTAL]

Some of David's story:

http://www.holysmoke.org/dm/dmayo002.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/dm/dmayo005.htm

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/mayo.htm

That is so sad. Again, here it is about 25 years later and I'm just finding out about this.

 

[IMMORTAL]

This is a whole lot of text to describe that one should dump those who are cramping your style.

Haha. Yeah, I dig it.

 

[skollie]

I know it´s a bit off-topic. But. Where is Mayo now? What´s he doing? Last thing I read is the nightmare in Santo Domingo, where OSA was making his life impossible.

Did he stop to post? What about Metapsychology, any of you have any ideas about it? Does it still exist as a therapy? What is it all about?

What is your take on Mayo, having developed NOTs to go completely into another direction? (no more entities )

Best,

P-.

Some info on Metapsychology can be found here:

http://www.tir.org/about-amp.html

 

[IMMORTAL]

Apply the principle of the pendulum. Basically a pendulum needs to go to the extreme opposite, then back but less than to original position, then to the extreme but less as the fist extreme, a few times, till it finds it´s gravity balance.

It´s completely OK, to rant and NATTER and be CRITICAL in your mind, and with other people.

In the end, that way you will walk faster through the process and find your OWN balance.

What helped me most is:

1. Watching or reading stories of close people to LRH, ex-staffers, even his son´s story. Mayo´s is a good one, cause he is HONEST, he gave his life to the tech, and LRH and got payed back the way it did, cause he was a serious competition to a monopoly. On another link he explains his participation on the creation of NOTs, also an interesting view for you.

2. Watching Scientology from an external paradigm: Covey, Dr. Newton, Tolle.

3. Posting and reading a lot on the subject, but from people involved, and having diverse experiences, good, bad ones. Post as much as you can, also with any of your ideas on the tech, and let people controvert you, even attack you, is a good process to go through.

This three things will help you a lot to relativize the "truths" of Scientology, and handpick what you like or not.

It is a natural process to ask oneself, as the paradigm gets cracked, what was true, what not?

Yes, thank you for this advice. I am well underway on it. This post on PTSness has exposed much to me with the help of a lot of new friends and I am experiencing that pendulum swing you are speaking of above. Wow. It's picking up speed but hasn't quite reached the extreme opposite yet. The Mayo reading I did, the Tory vids, the Mayo vid, all the other vids I've seen and stuff I've read. Wow. I've had my head up my arse for a loooong time! I'm not happy to say.

Thank you so much for your contribution to my pendulum swing speed.

 

[IMMORTAL]

Mayo is, was a great guy.

A GREAT spirit.

He did a lot for the tech, like McMasters, and others around this board. You will see that many of the developments were not LRH, such as study tech, which was completely kidnapped by LRH from a couple who developed it, listing which was developed by Alan Walters, who posted here, and is the developer of Knowledgism, BPC which was original Mystic´s idea, another poster on this board. Read all the Apollo thread, and you will get a lot of insight.

Mayo was a real threat to LRH´s power back then. Imagine LRH had chosen Mayo over DM (he didn´t choose DM, but just to speculate), what would have happened? On the other hand, why would LRH rather keep guys like DM on board, and let guys like Brent Corydon, Galusha, or Mayo leave... that tells also a lot.

Mayo speaks from the HEART on that video, that is why it is so impinging.

I can see that. I haven't even looked at half of the recommended vids and references yet. I can see the tech is a conglomeration, despite what we were lead to believe. Sigh. My god. Thank you for the references above. I need to read them, too.

 

[IMMORTAL]

I agree fully on Mayo. I saw him speak once or twice in the 1970's, I believe there was an event at the Hollywood Paladium in 1971 where he spoke. He was not the most dynamic speaker in the world but his ability to speak from the heart was always there, just a super sincere being and with an excellent grasp of Hubbard's technology. On those tapes on the internet, he was a better speaker than he was at the Palladium. His timing was better and he had that little impish smile from time to time which I don't believe he had in the early 70's. His speaking ability must have improved during the years he was runing the AAC. Yes, the Corydons, the Ken Urquharts, the Alan Walters, the Galusha's, the Mayo's, etc. Despite decades of extremely high stats, they were tossed aside like a pair of worn out socks. Lesser rank and file guys such as myself were dismissed as insane, incompetent and DB's. These exact words were literally read to me by Mike Mauer, a 19 year old Sea Org officer who read me these evaluations of who and what I was directly from Sea Org policy, just before I was ready to leave the Apollo for the airport to go home.

While on the Apollo, I encountered one of the most insane policies that exists on this planet and it is official Sea Org Policy. I saw the total and complete insanity of their policy back in 1973 and I knew then that LRH had written it. When they would not repost me on the Apollo, I offered to return to my old job at CCLA in Treasury Division. What could be a more optimum resolltion or handling for me? I was fully hatted in Treasury and knew CCLA treasury completely and had a two year record there as the best Treasury person that they ever had. My request was denied by Maria Starkey, the Apollo personnel officer. She said it was against LRH policy for someone to fail at a higher Org and then return to a lower Org. As was my right, I demanded to see the policy and Starkey kicked me out of her office. At that point I insisted a routing form be started to route me out of the Sea Org. On this cycle, I was 100% correct and LRH's policy was totally wrong and 100% insane and I was not even allowed to read it. Demanding to be routed out with no comm lag right after that incident was one of the greatest moments in my life as far as me standing up to evil and insanity. Had I just put my tail between my legs and gone back on the deck force, the way Starkey wanted, my whole life would have been a failure. By doing what I did at that instant in time, when I had to make a choice, I was able to salvage a large part of my life; though scarred and damaged I was able to live some semblance of a meaningful life.

I went to work for my Dad and returned to CCLA about a month later, to make arrangements on handling my debt. Everybody wanted me back on staff in Treasury including Yvonne. She said, she could write a requiest up lines to have me reinstated which she guaranteed 100% could be done. I told her that I had already committed to working with my Dad and I could not let him down now and she understood and accepted that with no argument. That follow up scene back at CC showed Ron had written an insane policy!
Lakey

I'm so glad you got out when you did.

 

[IMMORTAL]

What are your crimes?

integrity

thinking for myself

lack of robotism

short on stupidity

brainwashing failed

That is soooo true.

 

[IMMORTAL]

Barbara De Angelis:

We need to find the courage to say NO to the things and people that are not serving us if we want to rediscover ourselves and live our lives with authenticity.

I can just hear that cat screeeeeaming NOOOOO!!!!! Love it.

 

[IMMORTAL]

Very good post Paul.

IMMORTAL, another to add to the list that you'll find interesting is
DENNIS STEPHENS who was with LRH for quite awhile and says on his recording that LRH was a "Confronter", as a substitute for experiencing.
That is an interesting concept when you understand it. He left LRH about 1962.

It also explains the difference between TR's and the superior "Presence Drills" in Knowledgism.

Dennis recorded a talk before he died, which is on the net and also in print form. Dennis formed his own group called TROM, I believe.

Thank you for that reference. I'll add it to my to do list, which is quite long at the moment. Obviously, having lived such a sheltered life, I have a lot of catching up to do.. ....

 

[IMMORTAL]

I know it´s a bit off-topic. But. Where is Mayo now? What´s he doing? Last thing I read is the nightmare in Santo Domingo, where OSA was making his life impossible.

Did he stop to post? What about Metapsychology, any of you have any ideas about it? Does it still exist as a therapy? What is it all about?

What is your take on Mayo, having developed NOTs to go completely into another direction? (no more entities )

Best,

P-.

Great question about where Mayo is now. I see I have a link to Metapsychology which I haven't watched yet, so can't comment yet. Moving along here.... Thanks.

 

[Arthur Dent]

PTS tech

From the git go you are trained on "don't create antagonism" as regards scn. If you are exceedingly well trained on this, as is the point, you will know it and apply it so well that you will never even encounter any counter scn. positions from your close friends and family because your PR will be so perfectly in that you will never give anyone cause for concern, alarm or inquiry.
It's an implant and it's a trap. It sets you up and thus it can go on for years on end. Perfect!

Realistically, yes, you don't want to give someone unnecessary misunderstoods or act better or different than them bec. you are a scn. which is also the point of the ref. but it becomes such a mind-set that it freezes you up and you just cannot be your regular old self anymore because there are just so many things now that you simply cannot talk about! You do tend to withhold your whole new life in scn. to the point where you are, perhaps, leading two lives. If they will even let you lead the other one. I imagine a bigamist may feel that way!!

Unfortunately, I, therefore, never gave anyone cause for alarm when I should have. It is a way to isolate you.

If you are OTVIII, you or others you know have likely done the PTS/SP course two or three times. Ever wonder why?

I am finding so many of pieces of tech that are a no-way-out street! Perfect traps! The egg shell is cracking.....