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Carl Barney

Discussion in 'Scientology Front Groups and Alliances' started by SanDiegoMember, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. SanDiegoMember

    SanDiegoMember Howard Dickman

    Earlier this week I received the following e-mail;

    Mr. Dickman:

    I am an attorney in Salt Lake City who has a lawsuit against Carl Barney. I was sent the biography of your time in the Church of Scientology, which mentions Carl Barney’s ownership of several Scientology-related enterprises. I was wondering whether you would be willing to share what you know about Mr. Barney from that period of time.


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    I was hesitant to respond to the e-mail and instead looked Mr. Mark up on the internet and left a message on his answering machine. This morning he and I spoke. He is involved with the following lawsuit;

    I had no knowledge of Barney's loans during his time with Scientology Coordinated Services (SCS) and was unable to be of much help. Mr. Mark was not opposed to me publicizing his need for people who knew Mr. Barney when he was running the loan operation with SCS.

    If anyone can help him, Mr. Mark can be reached at - [email protected]


    Howard Dickman
  2. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    A quick search makes me wonder if it's the same Carl Barney? Could be more than one person by that name.

    Edit: I did find this quote from an article....

    "He toured India, and later ended up in California — dabbling briefly, he admits with some embarrassment, in Scientology — seeking meaning here and there while engaging in the great American tradition of self-improvement."

    Edit again: "Dabbling briefly" and "being a major mission holder" don't seem to describe the same activity.
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2017
  3. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Ya, I knew Carl Barney in Melbourne where he was from . . . and he is a person in need of a great deal of "self improvement."
  4. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Way back in the day I " knew of " him & from my trusted friends what I heard about him I made sure my hat was never ever in the same ring - or even building as him.

    Specific details are too long ago for me to dredge up - I just remember I made a point of having no association with that one.
  5. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron


    Tantalizing. If you're still in touch with some of those friends perhaps you could ask them what they knew about Carl Barney.
  6. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    I'm long since no longer in touch with those that haven't croaked already.
  7. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron

    RoberB wrote:
    “... I knew Carl Barney in Melbourne where he was from . . . “

    That’s a detail I missed when I first read your post, namely that Barney was *from* Melbourne. Do you mean he was born and raised there?

    The problem is: Barney himself claims to have been born in England, and left when he was a young man.

    There are two recent videos of Barney on YouTube and I can detect no British accent at all. However he does have a slight Australian accent.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2017
  8. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Ya . . . you are correct. I could have more correctly said, I knew Carl B in Melbourne when I was there on staff and running my business. Where he originated from I do not know . . . Alan used to get ticked off at me for thinking him to be an Australian as he was born in England.
  9. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    That's so funny...I thought Alan was Australian for the longest time. LOL
  10. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron

  11. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron

    Anyone know if Carl Barney, the Los Angeles franchise owner, reached OT (Operating Thetan)?
  12. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Nobody reached OT (Operating Thetan). It's a figment of Hubbard's imagination and has no counterpart in reality.
  13. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron

    Not as a reality, but I meant OT as a label or badge acquired by jumping through certain hoops.

    Did Carl Barney get an "OT badge"?
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I've got no idea, sorry, I'd never even heard of him until I came to this bulletin board.
  15. not_a_co$

    not_a_co$ Patron

    Barney was a prominent Scientologist of yesteryear who left the Church in 1979. He’s been in the news lately because of lawsuits alleging fraudulent activity in the management of the trade schools that he now owns.

    How high did he go in his Scientology training? He was a Clear, at least.

    He took the Flag Executive Briefing Course on the Apollo. He says that he was never in the Sea Org.
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  16. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    You may want to contact the person that runs,_California
  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    The old grade Chart used to say A Bridge to a New World instead of Total Freedom. it was more accurate. Today we have NWO. NWO means mind control.