klidov
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I went to reply on another thread, and I knew my reply would be too long. Now, this is a completely open discussion, so please feel free to offer any, or all thoughts with regards to this.
Slight Preface:
I live in Clearwater. The Cof$ members, and myself had an understanding. You do your thing, I'll do mine. That is the g-rated version.
And for the most part, that has been honored of the Cult's part. The exception being when I was followed because they (OSA) were investigating someone else, and I do consider it a "deal-breaker" when Atty Ken Dandar's Office was broken into. And, there was the whole telling my kids I was "on drugs" because I took psych meds.....but I digress.
Here is where it gets a little less cut-and-dried.
I have my own Ministry Credentials. Not a big deal, anyone can get them. You can get them online for free in less than three minutes. I still climb in my jeans one leg at a time, like normal mortals.
O.K.-enough. To the real topic of this post. I try to be careful to separate beliefs, dogma, tech, what-have-you, from my specific complaints about the Cult.
My argument is not with what Scientologists believe, my arguments are with the crimes that are committed in the "name" of the cult, and it's founder.
My own (personal) beliefs on spiritual matters could very well be shocking to you. Or humorous. I don't care if people want to worship pink unicorns, on fluffy blue clouds.
I make it my business when children, animals, (or even adults) are abused. Verbally, mentally, or physically. Or, when someone dies because of neglect. Or, when someone harms them self, or others, because they were given bad advice/information.
I do believe in the freedom to believe what you wish. That does not extend itself to abuse (like I mentioned above), or causing the destruction of families.
Now, here is where I must be clear: if a spouse/partner came to me for counseling, I would advise them accordingly. Including, perhaps, advising them to leave their significant other. If, and only if, I felt it was in the best interest of the person I was Spiritual Adviser too. I would NEVER, EVER advice someone to leave their spouse, or stop communicating with their loved ones because "they believe differently". Or because "they" (the) other person challenges our faith.
It's called FAITH for a reason! And frankly, please, feel free to hold my beliefs up to any scrutiny. I am a big girl, and I can take it. I promise
I have been on the opinion that when you single out one group, it is not real long till your own group gets a good looking at.
(Can you see the problem here? I desire nothing more than for the cult to answer for all of it's crimes, all of it's victims, and for the truth to be made known. If people want to follow the Tech, fine......publish the books & sell them at cost to fellow members.)
And there does seem to be a hypocrisy, let's put this group under a microscope, but not this group.
Which is the circular argument back to why would a member of a non-traditional faith (myself) try to help bring about the destruction of another "so-called" church?
Will I gain members for my own group? No-I am a Solitary. Will there be a financial gain for me? No. All it will do is bring some (unwanted) attention down on my head.
I know why I proudly support Anon. I am proud to call myself an Anon.
I don't want to see a snowball effect of other churches & sects being protested for simply being "different".
I hope the message is the Cof$ is being brought to national attention because people are dying. Because they are having families ripped apart. Because some people are losing every penny they have to this Monster, only to find themselves penniless.
And because people's minds are being played with. To me, that is a High Crime. "Free Will" is a given right.
So, please feel free to address anything here. I really want to see where this conversation will take us.
-K
Slight Preface:
I live in Clearwater. The Cof$ members, and myself had an understanding. You do your thing, I'll do mine. That is the g-rated version.
And for the most part, that has been honored of the Cult's part. The exception being when I was followed because they (OSA) were investigating someone else, and I do consider it a "deal-breaker" when Atty Ken Dandar's Office was broken into. And, there was the whole telling my kids I was "on drugs" because I took psych meds.....but I digress.
Here is where it gets a little less cut-and-dried.
I have my own Ministry Credentials. Not a big deal, anyone can get them. You can get them online for free in less than three minutes. I still climb in my jeans one leg at a time, like normal mortals.
O.K.-enough. To the real topic of this post. I try to be careful to separate beliefs, dogma, tech, what-have-you, from my specific complaints about the Cult.
My argument is not with what Scientologists believe, my arguments are with the crimes that are committed in the "name" of the cult, and it's founder.
My own (personal) beliefs on spiritual matters could very well be shocking to you. Or humorous. I don't care if people want to worship pink unicorns, on fluffy blue clouds.
I make it my business when children, animals, (or even adults) are abused. Verbally, mentally, or physically. Or, when someone dies because of neglect. Or, when someone harms them self, or others, because they were given bad advice/information.
I do believe in the freedom to believe what you wish. That does not extend itself to abuse (like I mentioned above), or causing the destruction of families.
Now, here is where I must be clear: if a spouse/partner came to me for counseling, I would advise them accordingly. Including, perhaps, advising them to leave their significant other. If, and only if, I felt it was in the best interest of the person I was Spiritual Adviser too. I would NEVER, EVER advice someone to leave their spouse, or stop communicating with their loved ones because "they believe differently". Or because "they" (the) other person challenges our faith.
It's called FAITH for a reason! And frankly, please, feel free to hold my beliefs up to any scrutiny. I am a big girl, and I can take it. I promise
I have been on the opinion that when you single out one group, it is not real long till your own group gets a good looking at.
(Can you see the problem here? I desire nothing more than for the cult to answer for all of it's crimes, all of it's victims, and for the truth to be made known. If people want to follow the Tech, fine......publish the books & sell them at cost to fellow members.)
And there does seem to be a hypocrisy, let's put this group under a microscope, but not this group.
Which is the circular argument back to why would a member of a non-traditional faith (myself) try to help bring about the destruction of another "so-called" church?
Will I gain members for my own group? No-I am a Solitary. Will there be a financial gain for me? No. All it will do is bring some (unwanted) attention down on my head.
I know why I proudly support Anon. I am proud to call myself an Anon.
I don't want to see a snowball effect of other churches & sects being protested for simply being "different".
I hope the message is the Cof$ is being brought to national attention because people are dying. Because they are having families ripped apart. Because some people are losing every penny they have to this Monster, only to find themselves penniless.
And because people's minds are being played with. To me, that is a High Crime. "Free Will" is a given right.
So, please feel free to address anything here. I really want to see where this conversation will take us.
-K